Chelsea 2018/19 - 3rd and European Champions. Sarri, not sorry

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Chelsea will sack yet another manager. For once they should trust the man in charge and back him to make signings and build a team.
This isn’t 2004, they can’t bring in 6 new first teamers in one summer. If Sarri can’t achieve the minimum of top 4, he’ll be gone and rightly so. They can’t afford 3-4 years out of UCL with the prospect of Sarriball coming to fruition.
 

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Higuain only play against farmers all the time with the best team on the league. He isn't gonna make it here.
 

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This isn’t 2004, they can’t bring in 6 new first teamers in one summer. If Sarri can’t achieve the minimum of top 4, he’ll be gone and rightly so. They can’t afford 3-4 years out of UCL with the prospect of Sarriball coming to fruition.
Might not take 3-4 years. People are using Jorginho against Sarri. He made it work at Napoli, you cannot just claim him as a failure if it doesn't quite go right this season.
 

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Chelsea will sack yet another manager. For once they should trust the man in charge and back him to make signings and build a team.
No chance with Abramovich at the helm. It's instant change and instant results or else your out. Look at AVB gone after one season, same would have applied to Conte had he not won the league in his first season.
 

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No chance with Abramovich at the helm. It's instant change and instant results or else your out. Look at AVB gone after one season, same would have applied to Conte had he not won the league in his first season.
I know, it's likely he will get sacked. It is totally the wrong thing to do.
 

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Might not take 3-4 years. People are using Jorginho against Sarri. He made it work at Napoli, you cannot just claim him as a failure if it doesn't quite go right this season.
It’ll be 3-4 years because he’s already expressed his disappointment with the current lot. Gonna take 3-4 windows to build the team and there are still 5 teams capable of vying for top 4 to bypass in that process.

His Napoli played attractive football, but ultimately they didn’t win anything and were hardly CL big gun like Klopp’s Dortmund. Abramovich would be a fool to bet the future of his investment on that flimsy prospect.
 

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Chelsea's squad is crap. They have some good players but it's not enough to play possession football. Shoehorning Jorginho only creates more problems to this squad
The squad is certainly not crap. Sarri comes across as overly rigid to me. At least Pep changed things up from Spain and focused more on wingplay in England. This chap continues to try to play a strong possession based football as if he's got KDB and Silva in midfield. He doesn't , and is compounding matters by playing a top CM (Kante) as an attack minded one. For me this system only works of A) you have better strikers and B) if your midfield is extremely creative.
 

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Might not take 3-4 years. People are using Jorginho against Sarri. He made it work at Napoli, you cannot just claim him as a failure if it doesn't quite go right this season.
He's unsettling their second best player. He's forcing him to play a role he can't and will probably take a chance to replace him with another player in the market to keep his Jorginho intact. Things are going to explode even more sooner or later and Chelsea will have to choose Kante because he has proved to be a key part in a title winning team for them in certain position while Sarri has done feck all with his style he's trying to imply. If it's a choice between Sarri or Kante, it'll be easy for Chelsea.
 

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He's unsettling their second best player. He's forcing him to play a role he can't and will probably take a chance to replace him with another player in the market to keep his Jorginho intact. Things are going to explode even more sooner or later and Chelsea will have to choose Kante because he has proved to be a key part in a title winning team for them in certain position while Sarri has done feck all with his style he's trying to imply. If it's a choice between Sarri or Kante, it'll be easy for Chelsea.
When they hired Sarri they knew he would want to have a player in Jorginho’s mould playing in that position. They spent 60 million on that player which should only be the START of what he is trying to do. To pull the plug on him now does not make a failure. The board are gutless.
 

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The squad is certainly not crap. Sarri comes across as overly rigid to me. At least Pep changed things up from Spain and focused more on wingplay in England. This chap continues to try to play a strong possession based football as if he's got KDB and Silva in midfield. He doesn't , and is compounding matters by playing a top CM (Kante) as an attack minded one. For me this system only works of A) you have better strikers and B) if your midfield is extremely creative.
Well they shouldn't have hired him then. Someone didn't do their research. I get Sarri needing to be somewhat more flexible, but Kante is not the mountain to die on, as good as he is at his primary strength
 

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They should concentrate on the Europa League and field weakened teams in the league :smirk:
 

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Maybe they should not have sacked Conte after all.
 

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Well they shouldn't have hired him then. Someone didn't do their research. I get Sarri needing to be somewhat more flexible, but Kante is not the mountain to die on, as good as he is at his primary strength
Maybe Sarri didn't do his research? It's hard for us to sit here and pinpoint the problem, but there's no excuse for Chelsea's recent form really. Their attack is absolutely woeful. I have no idea how they could have gone into the season without a new CF or any new attacking talents.
 

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Seems they had full trust in Mourinho :lol:
Willian is such a nothing player. The mass following he has on here always confused me. Even before Mourinho came there were loads of people who really liked him for some reason.
 

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Might not take 3-4 years. People are using Jorginho against Sarri. He made it work at Napoli, you cannot just claim him as a failure if it doesn't quite go right this season.
The two leagues are quite different. Jorginho is probably better suited to the pace of Serie A than the Premier League. That, coupled with the fact that Sarri is LvG levels of rigid have done Chelsea in.
 

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The two leagues are quite different. Jorginho is probably better suited to the pace of Serie A than the Premier League. That, coupled with the fact that Sarri is LvG levels of rigid have done Chelsea in.
He hasn't done Chelsea in. How can every manager do Chelsea in within 2 years? It's a joke. The tactics are not the reason why they have been thumped two years running by Bournemouth.
 

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He hasn't done Chelsea in. How can every manager do Chelsea in within 2 years? It's a joke. The tactics are not the reason why they have been thumped two years running by Bournemouth.
The system and the players in it are responsible for the balance a team has in all 3 compartments of the game. The system sarri plays in 433 disturbes that balance of that midfield.

Chelsea won the title with kante and matic in the middle with a 343, they had the balance that year, with bakayoko and now a 433 they don't have the same balance which is surely costing them.
 

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The system and the players in it are responsible for the balance a team has in all 3 compartments of the game. The system sarri plays in 433 disturbes that balance of that midfield.

Chelsea won the title with kante and matic in the middle with a 343, they had the balance that year, with bakayoko and now a 433 they don't have the same balance which is surely costing them.
Perhaps both the defence and attack compromise the balance of the midfield and vice versa. He deserves time and backing to solve the issues. It's not about moving Kante from the deepest position.
 

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Perhaps both the defence and attack compromise the balance of the midfield and vice versa. He deserves time and backing to solve the issues. It's not about moving Kante from the deepest position.
The thing is if the defense and def midfield is solid enough, the attack will sort itself out with good players and some good attacking patterns. But if you lose control defensive wise, every now and then you will be in for shock surprise results.

Kante provides the defensive control and stability in the role he excels at, you move him on the right of mid 3, the crucial def control is lost. It's not that sarri's style of play can't be implemented in a 4231, or a , 343. 433 doesn't provide the balance the midfield is required to provide at this level in Epl.
 

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If They appoint Hiddink again I might actually believe if it's within their SOP.

Things are going tits up? -> Appoint Hiddink as a caretaker manager
 
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Chelsea's squad is crap. They have some good players but it's not enough to play possession football. Shoehorning Jorginho only creates more problems to this squad
Their squad is obviously not crap. They have a decent squad.
 

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I don't think they should sack him. You don't employ Sarri if you don't back his philosophy. For him, the process is as important as the result. They knew this before they hired him.
 

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"Oi! Look at what Ole Gunnar Solskjaer is doing at Manchester United! We should do the same!"

Dennis Wise?
 

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You know, it really just strikes me how little of a shit I give about Chelsea. Meh. Pfft. Doing well, doing poorly, it just doesn't register.
 

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When will he start talking about process and philosophy like LVG ?
:lol: Good grief. Wasn't he a banker just 10 years ago? Telling these players they have to learn "the basics" cant sit well with them. To be fair he did very well with Napoli, but saying shite like that makes you seem incredibly arrogant and we all know how well arrogant coaches do at Chelsea
 

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I don't think they should sack him. You don't employ Sarri if you don't back his philosophy. For him, the process is as important as the result. They knew this before they hired him.
If they thought they could undergo the most radical change in clubs recent history without encountering some bumps then its huge error of judgement on the boards part.
 

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:lol: Good grief. Wasn't he a banker just 10 years ago? Telling these players they have to learn "the basics" cant sit well with them. To be fair he did very well with Napoli, but saying shite like that makes you seem incredibly arrogant and we all know how well arrogant coaches do at Chelsea
The basics of his system, not of football in general.
 
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Be interesting to see how long Chelsea persist with Sarri. You'd have thought that the owners would've acknowledged that Sarri's particular playing style would take sometime for a period of transition (across all boards).So patience is much needed here.
But ,as history shows us,we all know Chelsea are hardly known for their managerial patience.
 

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https://statsbomb.com/2019/01/the-rise-of-press-resistant-midfielders/

This is really good and there's a bit in there about why Jorginho has struggled so much at Chelsea.

Just as there are winners to a new style taking hold, there are losers. Jorginho was signed by Chelsea to be the heartbeat of the Maurizio Sarri revolution, a true passing controller as the deepest midfielder in a possession focused 4-3-3. And he’s doing plenty of the thing he was signed for, finding himself third in the Premier League this season in deep progressions per 90 (and it’s worth noting that the top two both play for Manchester City, who dominate the stat). What he hasn’t been able to do, however, is evade pressure. Dele Alli was able to nullify him when Chelsea went to Wembley in the league this season in a way not dissimilar to Bielsa’s man marking approach on Barcelona, and his worst performances have come when sides have deliberately targeted him. He seemingly doesn’t have an answer to being pressed. If Jorginho had been at his peak in 2012, he’d have likely been regarded as one of the best midfielders in world football. In 2019, he seems too easy to nullify. It’s understandable that some Chelsea fans are advocating for Mateo Kovačić, a much better dribbler and a more robust, press-resistant player, to start in his place. Jorginho’s struggles this season do not mean that he will never be a success at Chelsea, but there will have to be a tactical solution that avoids it being so simple to limit what he can do.