Pogba is the best midfielder in the world

[Skills]

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/paul-pogba-is-the-best-midfielder-in-the-world.444360/

You're late to the party pal. We already reached that consensus a month ago

 

[Toad]

14 goals and 10 assists in 32 games. Is there a central midfielder who comes close to those stats?

Sarabia beats them.
Goals + Assists per 90
Sarabia - 0.85
Pogba - 0.76
D. Silva - 0.66
B. Silva - 0.57
Savanier - 0.55

but if you base this over the last two months it would be a completely different outcome. Pogba would rocket above anyone based on how he has performed under Ole. The stats above are based on this seasons club fixtures alone. If I get a chance alter I will have a look at this years compared to the whole season.

 

[adexkola]

KdB and Silva alone don't control the midfield. Fernandinho controls the midfield, Silva and KdB hurt the teams in final third. One player can't control, create and score. That's why it's a team game.

Controlling midfield is not the only way to play, when you play on counter you don't try to control the midfield. You win the possession and hit them on the breaks rather than pointless side passes to win possession battle. At least that's how we play under Ole. Won't bother talking about Jose as we didn't do anything.

I'm not sure if maybe you phrased that wrong, because if there is anything midfielders in a Pep system have to do, it's control the midfield. It's not a system where you can coast based on stats.

 

[Jib]

I don't know if he's the best midfielder in the world. But he's by far the most gifted midfielder of his generation and the most in form since december.

And I think that KDB dream to win as much as Pogba did in his career while being 2 years younger.

 

[roonster09]

I'm not sure if maybe you phrased that wrong, because if there is anything midfielders in a Pep system have to do, it's control the midfield. It's not a system where you can coast based on stats.

Maybe I phrased it wrong, I meant KdB alone don't control the midfield. It's a team game and controlling game depends on entire team, especially the combination of midfield. KdB, Silva alone don't control and then create chances. Fernandinho is the one who sits deeper and compliments the game. It's the combination and how coach sets up the team.

 

[SoulSurvivor]

1) Modric
2) Pogba
3) De Bruyne (Nearly back to his best.)

Honorable Mention
Veratti (easily top 3 material, if he played in a top competition)

 

[JoaquinJoaquin]

1) Modric
2) Pogba
3) De Bruyne (Nearly back to his best.)

Honorable Mention
Veratti (easily top 3 material, if he played in a top competition)

Modric hasn't been at the same level this season though. Not sure whether he is just wanting a new challenge (he wanted Inter Milan in the Summer), unmotivated or just age is finally catching up to him, but he has dropped a level.

 

[Pass and Move]

I'm not sure if maybe you phrased that wrong, because if there is anything midfielders in a Pep system have to do, it's control the midfield. It's not a system where you can coast based on stats.

Plural. Because no one player can be expected to control a game. The reason Pep's teams dominate the midfield is his system, not the individuals. The reason Pogba didn't have a strong game against PSG was he was consistently man marked or double teamed for most of the match against other very good players. There's not a MF in the world who'd have done any better in Pogba's place that night in my opinion.

 

[ivaldo]

I think you're too smart to not get my point so I'll assume you're being pedantic, but clearly it matters when you say he's the best in the world and yet can't do it against the best team we play, especially when their midfielders, Veratti especially, absolutely bossed the game.

He couldn't do it on this occasion, that's all. There's far too many variables in play for this one game to be evidence enough for you to form a categorical opinion of the player. Messi for years was absolutely shit against PL teams, that doesn't mean he was the best around at the time.

 

[adexkola]

He couldn't do it on this occasion, that's all. There's far too many variables in play for this one game to be evidence enough for you to form a categorical opinion of the player. Messi for years was absolutely shit against PL teams, that doesn't mean he was the best around at the time.

When was this?

 

[Harry190]

Listened to the post-match interview. Not the same player, dare I say, not the same man. Has evolved.

 

[Paul_Scholes18]

He is probably the best right now in terms of form when we talk about attacking central midfielders. Sadly got taken out against PSG. I think KDB might be better though. Coutinho can be really good too, but he hasn't beenn that great for Barcelona.

 

[VorZakone]

When was this?

Probably around 2007-2008ish I reckon.

 

[GlastonSpur]

Sarabia beats them.
Goals + Assists per 90
Sarabia - 0.85
Pogba - 0.76
D. Silva - 0.66
B. Silva - 0.57
Savanier - 0.55

but if you base this over the last two months it would be a completely different outcome. Pogba would rocket above anyone based on how he has performed under Ole. The stats above are based on this seasons club fixtures alone. If I get a chance alter I will have a look at this years compared to the whole season.

The above just looks like a random collection to me. For a start it omits Eriksen - 7 goals (doesn't take penalties) and 11 assists so far this season in all club competitions: 0.75 per 90 mins

 

[MDFC Manager]

Sell him and buy Sergej Milinković-Savić they said

Man, so much crap was being spouted to absolve Mourinho.

 

[DWelbz19]

That's true, I acknowlegde that and have said repeatedly that he needs someone like Verrati or Kroos to get the best out of him. He didn't offer any threat against PSG as well, which deeply disappointed me. It's something we've seen from him time and time again, when our midfield gets snuffed he can't seem to get himself into the game.

I think Pogba needs a bit too much support to be called the best midfielder in the world at the moment. I think De Bruyne/Silva can do the duel role of controlling possession and contributing on the offensive end better than Pogba can.

Absolute nonsense. What the hell have City done in the CL in the EIGHT years David Silva has been there? The three (under the best manager in the world) that KDB has been there?

Pogba is at a natural disadvantage by half of the footballing community because the standards are bizarrely warped to a higher standard by virtue of him being Paul Pogba.

 

[DWelbz19]

Sarabia beats them.
Goals + Assists per 90
Sarabia - 0.85
Pogba - 0.76
D. Silva - 0.66
B. Silva - 0.57
Savanier - 0.55

but if you base this over the last two months it would be a completely different outcome. Pogba would rocket above anyone based on how he has performed under Ole. The stats above are based on this seasons club fixtures alone. If I get a chance alter I will have a look at this years compared to the whole season.

Interesting. I was under the impression Sarabia was a winger/no.10?

 

[RedRonaldo]

So genuine questions, a very tough one.

If you have to choose one, Pogba or De Bruyne?

Last year over 90%, if not 99%, would say De Bruyne. I wonder would it be more even this year around.

 

[Jib]

So genuine questions, a very tough one.

If you have to choose one, Pogba or De Bruyne?

Last year over 90%, if not 99%, would say De Bruyne. I wonder would it be more even this year around.

Pogba for me this year and even last season ( assists leader if he wasn't out for 3 months ).

But I think that the majority here prefer KDB.

 

[Alexit]

How do you guys rate him vs KDB?

City fans insist KDB is better than Pog.

 

[Alexit]

So genuine questions, a very tough one.

If you have to choose one, Pogba or De Bruyne?

Last year over 90%, if not 99%, would say De Bruyne. I wonder would it be more even this year around.

I'd take Pogba. It's his combination of, as another poster said, physicality and technique.

 

[SquishyMcSquish]

Would you swap Pogba for Alli?

Nah.

Not that I think Alli is a better player, I don't. I think it's pretty clear Pogba is superior as of now, but Alli is significantly younger and already proven at the club/under Poch. I also think you'd struggle to get Pogba and Eriksen working in the same team, they occupy similar spaces on the pitch.

 

[SquishyMcSquish]

De Bruyne took almost every free kick and corner though.

Do penalties take away from Kane’s goal scoring ability? Did it make a big difference to Gerrard and Lampard scoring 5-10 pens a season? Still got to put them away.

Nope, I was just wondering how many penalties he scored out of curiosity.

I think it does make a difference if a majority of your goals are from set pieces, but that wasn't the case for Pogba.

 

[Sunny Jim]

He is. Benched by Mourinho

 

[Canagel]

So genuine questions, a very tough one.

If you have to choose one, Pogba or De Bruyne?

Last year over 90%, if not 99%, would say De Bruyne. I wonder would it be more even this year around.

It wasn't fair comparison last year. One played for Mourinho and the other for Pep. It's fair and level comparison now because each has manager that trusts him .

 

[Pass and Move]

Nah.

Not that I think Alli is a better player, I don't. I think it's pretty clear Pogba is superior as of now, but Alli is significantly younger and already proven at the club/under Poch. I also think you'd struggle to get Pogba and Eriksen working in the same team, they occupy similar spaces on the pitch.

What about when Poch is at United and Erikson at Madrid?

 

[Massive Spanner]

He couldn't do it on this occasion, that's all. There's far too many variables in play for this one game to be evidence enough for you to form a categorical opinion of the player. Messi for years was absolutely shit against PL teams, that doesn't mean he was the best around at the time.

Messi is a terrible example.

All I'm saying is that imo Pogba needs to do it more against the best teams before I'll consider him to be THE best. He's had a great two months for sure but I still want to see more from him over a longer period of time.

 

[SquishyMcSquish]

What about when Poch is at United and Erikson at Madrid?

I don't think Poch will go to United. You'd be mad not to appoint Ole now.

If we lost Eriksen then someone like Pogba would be perfect, I do think he's a bit of a streaky player at times but clearly he's one of the most talented midfielders in the world.

 

[Kapardin]

How do you guys rate him vs KDB?

City fans insist KDB is better than Pog.

I reckon in-form De Bruyne is as good as Pogba. Pretty much equal really.

 

[shamans]

Not yet... but he will be. All we need is one full season of Jose free Pogba and we'll see him claim the top.

 

[RedorDead21]

KDB for me still, at his best. His passing is insanely good. His consistency was the same. Pogs needs to do it over a full season for me
at the level he is right now and maybe (hopefully) be the driving force in an FA cup win. That would be a start.

 

[shamans]

So genuine questions, a very tough one.

If you have to choose one, Pogba or De Bruyne?

Last year over 90%, if not 99%, would say De Bruyne. I wonder would it be more even this year around.

think it's one of those that would depend on the needs of your team. Why not both

 

[Pass and Move]

I don't think Poch will go to United. You'd be mad not to appoint Ole now.

If we lost Eriksen then someone like Pogba would be perfect, I do think he's a bit of a streaky player at times but clearly he's one of the most talented midfielders in the world.

I was trying to wind you up.

 

[Janson]

He couldn't do it on this occasion, that's all. There's far too many variables in play for this one game to be evidence enough for you to form a categorical opinion of the player. Messi for years was absolutely shit against PL teams, that doesn't mean he was the best around at the time.

And that's exactly why we need to see more of him in games like this. He also needs to string a whole season together before we can proclaim him as the best.

 

[Organic Potatoes]

He's the 'Magic Johnson' of this generation.

 

[SquishyMcSquish]

I was trying to wind you up.

I kinda knew that but you won't get a bite out of me.

Glaston, on the other hand..

 

[Bola]

When does his contract expire?

 

[Amadaeus]

I agree and my fantasy football team would agree as well. However, he is unprofessional and the definition of a modern ‘Instagram’ footballer. Considering he was unplayable a few months ago when Mounrinho was in charge.

 

[Jib]

I agree and my fantasy football team would agree as well. However, he is unprofessional and the definition of a modern ‘Instagram’ footballer. Considering he was unplayable a few months ago when Mounrinho was in charge.

Unprofessional because he doesn't drink, smoke and because Conte, Allegri and Deschamps praised his attitude many times

And he was our best player with De Gea under Mourinho.

You don't like Pogba, you can say it. No need to lie.

 

[adexkola]

So genuine questions, a very tough one.

If you have to choose one, Pogba or De Bruyne?

Last year over 90%, if not 99%, would say De Bruyne. I wonder would it be more even this year around.

Based on their careers since they've come to Manchester, De Bruyne. He in my opinion was the player of that season, not Salah.

The annoying part about that is that Pogba has the talent to exceed De Bruyne's 2017-18 season at City. It's just a matter of application and being under the right coach. Even now despite his goal/assist output, Pogba can do more in terms of his overall contribution to the game on a consistent basis.