The Summer 2019 Rebuild

[onemanarmy]

Realistically.

Sell: Rojo, Darmian, Pereira, Fosu-Mensah, and Valencia. Fellaini already gone. Wilson should also leave.
Buy: Wan-Bissaka, Sancho and Neves
Promote: Tuanzebe

Give Chong, Gomes and Greenwood some games.

Could be enough for 1 summer. Young, Matic, Sanchez and Mata to leave the summer after that. Lukaku also if he wants out, I consider him a very good second striker behind Rashford atm.

 

[Jacob]

Realistically.

Sell: Rojo, Darmian, Pereira, Fosu-Mensah, and Valencia. Fellaini already gone. Wilson should also leave.
Buy: Wan-Bissaka, Sancho and Neves
Promote: Tuanzebe

Give Chong, Gomes and Greenwood some games.

Could be enough for 1 summer. Young, Matic, Sanchez and Mata to leave the summer after that. Lukaku also if he wants out, I consider him a very good second striker behind Rashford atm.

Very reasonable indeed, with the exception of Sancho.

Wait, Neves is only 21??? I thought he was 29 or so.

 

[onemanarmy]

Very reasonable indeed, with the exception of Sancho.

Wait, Neves is only 21??? I thought he was 29 or so.

Indeed he is, that's why he would be a very smart investment. There are other young CM's out there, but he's been in England now for couple of years. We've all seen he's a good player.

Sancho would be difficult to attain, but not impossible. Sancho (18), Neves (21) and Wan Bissaka (21) would be good business. Add Martial (23), Rashford (21), Pogba (25), Dalot (19), Lindelöf (24)... and we would have a great core for years to come.

 

[Shaw Mee Tah Mané]

Sancho would be difficult to attain, but not impossible. Sancho (18), Neves (21) and Wan Bissaka (21) would be good business. Add Martial (23), Rashford (21), Pogba (25), Dalot (19), Lindelöf (24)... and we would have a great core for years to come.

Add Rice (20) and De Ligt (19) to that list and it would look like this:

De Gea (28)
Shaw (23)
De Ligt (19)
Lindeløf (24)
Wan Bissaka (21)
Rice (20)
Neves (21)
Pogba (25)
Martial (23)
Sancho (18)
Rashford (21)

Average age of 22,1. Only De Ligt of those 11 that is a foreigner without PL-experience. But you can't win anything with kids...

 

[Bola]

1. I'm happy to give the role to OGS

2. Who to sell

I have two lists;
a) those who have had enough chances and the conditions are right (inc contracts expiring)
b) those who have until the end of the season to prove themselves

List A:
Rojo - Too many defenders and he is a sicknote

Valencia- Expiring and past it

Darmian - Not much point triggering the extension As he rarely plays. Rather someone like TFM gets his rotation mins

Mata - expiring so the conditions are right. Has his uses, but on a big wage and there are others who can play AM

Lukaku - Just lacks the quality to be a United player

List B:
Perreira - Contract is expiring and lots to prove for us to extend

Bailley- Too many defenders and we need to buy a top class CB, while I'd also like Tunzebe back at the club

Fred - Some new players need time to adapt, but it's currently very concerning that he is not even getting bench time

Sanchez - A lot of money for wages, which aside from impacting our FFP limit, is having a strategic impact of pushing up other player wages

3) Who to buy

There are currently 3 key positions that need filling

RW- Sancho or possibly Brooks
CB- De Light
RB - Menuier or a late 20s player who can do a job until Dalot develops

We also could do with cover for CM, so I'd target 1 or 2 younger players who could rotate and eventually take over from Herrera and Matic. Rice tops the list, but also very interested in Neves


4) Line-up

This is the 1st choice assuming we get the signings I mentioned and sell all the exit players

De Gea
Menuier, Lindelof, De Light, Shaw

Herrera, Pogba, Matic

Sancho, Rashford, Martial

2nd String - obviously I would not look to play this specific side, but I'm showing the rough back-ups to each position

Romero
Dalot, Tunzebe, Smalling, Young

McTom, Rice, TFM

Gomes, Greenwood, Chong

 

[In Rainbows]

Sell/Release: Jones, Valencia, Darmian, Pereira, Sanchez, Rojo
Loan: McTominay, Chong
Buy: Sancho, De Ligt, Midfielder

FB: Dalot, Young, Shaw, Laird*, O'Connor*
CB: De Ligt, Lindelof, Bailly, Smalling, Tuanzebe*
CM: Pogba, Matic, Herrera, Fred, Gomes*, Garner*, TFM
Wing: Martial, Sancho, Lingard, Mata
FW: Rashford, Greenwood*, Lukaku

*Promote. Some get used in case of injuries.


Sancho and De Ligt are an upgrade in our squad/first 11, but also form part of a young core built to win everything in 2 years. Due to Chong's style of play, and his physical build, I think a loan to a foreign league where refs are more willing to protect attackers would be good for him at least until he gains some strength. If he gains some strength by the summer, then I would want him to stay.

Gomes should start being integrated as a midfielder. In Ole's system, I doubt Gomes' style will be preferred as an attacker. A loan isn't good for him because other clubs will likely see him as an attacker, and due to his size will struggle to get game time.

I don't see Lukaku being sold, but he's probably the easiest player to sell. He's not first choice, and his technical ability seems to not fit our front line. Greenwood is a better fit because not only is he much better technically, but he can interchange to all front 3 positions. With Sancho, Greenwood, Rashford, and Martial, the only one that can't play all 3 positions is Sancho. On the other hand, Sancho can play on either wing and he would be the best dribbler in the side.

In regards to fullback, I'm all for buying a FB, but would still like to see more of Dalot before the season comes to a close and in pre season. If he doesn't measure up to what is needed, buy one. This also depends on the amount of money we have to spend.



Over time, I would like to see a rotating front 4 of Martial, Rashford, Greenwood, and Sancho. All technical players able to play everywhere which limits the need for more options in case of emergency. I also would like to see Gomes and Garner/New bought DM take over Matic and Herrera's places in the first team. First with the newly bought DM immediately taking over Matic, with a slow transition from Matic as the back up to Garner as the back up to eventual Garner fighting for a starting 11 role should he be good enough. Gomes I would like to see him as a back up to Herrera, until he's good enough to run the game, albeit in a different style to Herrera.

I eventually would like a CB rotation of De Ligt, Tuanzebe, Lindelof, and Bailly. All great technically, athletic, and young. I want United to be able to be full of technical class, plenty of dribbling ability, and able to either dominate the possession game or counter attack.

 

[SAFMUTD]

If we want to truly compete with trophies we will need to spend and make a clear out of players that are just taking wages. If the rumors are true and we only have 250 million for the summer I think we will need at least 2 seasons to have a competitive squad.

What I would do:

Sell:
Lukaku: 60 million
Alexis: free due to his wages
Darmian: 10 million
Rojo: 15 million
Fred: 30 million

Let contract run out:
Mata
Pereira
Valencia
Wilson

In that way we would have 115 million extra and a nice wages gap.

Targets:
Luka Jovic - 50 million or Ben Yedder - 30 million
Neves - 60 million or Ndombele - 60 million
Ndidi - 45 million
Sancho - 130 million or Nicolas Pepe - 60 million
Wan Bissaka - 50 million
De Ligt - 75 million / Skriniar - 70 million / Koulibaly - 85 million

We won't be able to get all our first options this summer so I would opt out to get the most urgent ones, RW, RB and CM/CDM.

 

[bondsname]

We have a chance this summer to really improve the squad, I hope Woodward isn't fooled by the amazing form we've been in these past two months, and realises investments are required. All of a sudden there is a lot of talent out there, young players who have potential to become a starter for a top team relatively soon.

A perfect summer would be:
CB: De Ligt
RB: Wan Bissaka
CM: Neves
RW: Sancho

Highly highly unlikely we even get two of these, but imagine, we could compete on all fronts with these young players, and for a long period of time as well.

More likely sceanario is we buy high profile player (for example: Koulibaly) who has a few good years left in them. After 2 years we will be back to square one complaining about needing a transfer overhaul and getting rid of the dead wood. We need to change the transfer strategy and purchase for the future.

 

[Resch]

Sell: Sanchez, Rojo, (Fred), Smalling
Let walk: Valencia, Mata
New contracts: Herrera, Pereira
Buy: RB= ???; CB: de Ligt, RW: Sancho, CM: ???

Smalling uses his hands all the time and VAR will cause him so much trouble
Rojo......
Sanchez sell if someone wants to sign him for a 1 €, could and should have been a top signing, but has been a waste of time and money
Fred If Ole sees potential keep him....

Mata: Good player but not what we need
Valencia: Old......
Herrera: Under Ole a new player
Pereira: Use him as a 10....

RB: no perfect fit, but some good ones. Which one is the best fit? I do not know
CB: de Ligt would be perfect, but no easy signing.
RW: Sancho -> English, young, potential and very very expansive
CM: an Anti-Matic like[URL='https://www.transfermarkt.at/diadie-samassekou/profil/spieler/315604'] Samassékou,[/URL] but better. Or Samassékou, if Salzburg beats Napoli.....

 

[cyril C]

Is Ryan Sessegnon still good?

He plays on the left.

 

[JJ12]

There's literally no chance of us buying a young RB and we shouldn't be looking for one either. Dalot is there and Laird in a couple of years will be competing.

A veteran RB to rotate for a couple of years? Sure.

CB CM and RW are the main 3 positions for strengthening.

 

[Sassy Colin]

Sell: Sanchez, Rojo, (Fred), Smalling
Let walk: Valencia, Mata
New contracts: Herrera, Pereira
Buy: RB= ???; CB: de Ligt, RW: Sancho, CM: ???

Smalling uses his hands all the time and VAR will cause him so much trouble
Rojo......
Sanchez sell if someone wants to sign him for a 1 €, could and should have been a top signing, but has been a waste of time and money
Fred If Ole sees potential keep him....

Mata: Good player but not what we need
Valencia: Old......
Herrera: Under Ole a new player
Pereira: Use him as a 10....

RB: no perfect fit, but some good ones. Which one is the best fit? I do not know
CB: de Ligt would be perfect, but no easy signing.
RW: Sancho -> English, young, potential and very very expansive
CM: an Anti-Matic like Samassékou, but better. Or Samassékou, if Salzburg beats Napoli.....

Are you mad?

 

[Wallez]

If we splash the cash on 3 key players, I think we will content for the league title as well as CL next season.

Out: Rojo (8 mill), Darmian (8 mill), Valencia (free), Sanchez (free), Jones (20 mill), Tuanzebe (loan or sell with buyback clause)
In: De Ligt (80 mill), Eriksen (100 mill), Jadon Sancho (100 mill)
Net spend: 244 mill

Starting XI:
De Gea
Dalot - Lindelöf - De Ligt - Shaw
Eriksen - Matic - Pogba
Sancho - Rashford - Martial

Backup:
Romero
TFM - Smalling - Bailly - Young
Fred - McTominay - Herrera
Lingard - Lukaku - Chong

+ Andreas Pereira, Lee Grant and youngsters

 

[JJ12]

If we splash the cash on 3 key players, I think we will content for the league title as well as CL next season.

Out: Rojo (8 mill), Darmian (8 mill), Valencia (free), Sanchez (free), Jones (20 mill), Tuanzebe (loan or sell with buyback clause)
In: De Ligt (80 mill), Eriksen (100 mill), Jadon Sancho (100 mill)
Net spend: 244 mill

Starting XI:
De Gea
Dalot - Lindelöf - De Ligt - Shaw
Eriksen - Matic - Pogba
Sancho - Rashford - Martial

Backup:
Romero
TFM - Smalling - Bailly - Young
Fred - McTominay - Herrera
Lingard - Lukaku - Chong

+ Andreas Pereira, Lee Grant and youngsters

Would be an incredible summer

 

[charlenefan]

Christ my OP deserves to go in here

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/wha...-you-have-ever-heard-or-said-yourself.445462/

 

[Alemar]

If we splash the cash on 3 key players, I think we will content for the league title as well as CL next season.

Out: Rojo (8 mill), Darmian (8 mill), Valencia (free), Sanchez (free), Jones (20 mill), Tuanzebe (loan or sell with buyback clause)
In: De Ligt (80 mill), Eriksen (100 mill), Jadon Sancho (100 mill)
Net spend: 244 mill

Starting XI:
De Gea
Dalot - Lindelöf - De Ligt - Shaw
Eriksen - Matic - Pogba
Sancho - Rashford - Martial

Backup:
Romero
TFM - Smalling - Bailly - Young
Fred - McTominay - Herrera
Lingard - Lukaku - Chong

+ Andreas Pereira, Lee Grant and youngsters

I am afraid we will have to sell Lukaku (or someone else of high value) to raise additional funds for such acquisitions. Besides, it is a question whether Herrera will be on the bench even with all those incomings. But would be a better team than what we have, without a doubt. Yea, and Fosu-Mensah may be also disposed of for several additional millions

 

[FootyGirl88]

If we splash the cash on 3 key players, I think we will content for the league title as well as CL next season.

Out: Rojo (8 mill), Darmian (8 mill), Valencia (free), Sanchez (free), Jones (20 mill), Tuanzebe (loan or sell with buyback clause)
In: De Ligt (80 mill), Eriksen (100 mill), Jadon Sancho (100 mill)
Net spend: 244 mill

Starting XI:
De Gea
Dalot - Lindelöf - De Ligt - Shaw
Eriksen - Matic - Pogba
Sancho - Rashford - Martial

Backup:
Romero
TFM - Smalling - Bailly - Young
Fred - McTominay - Herrera
Lingard - Lukaku - Chong

+ Andreas Pereira, Lee Grant and youngsters

We need to replace Matic not Herrera

 

[Womp]

Imagine thinking we'd get 20m for Jones. As an extension on that, imagine thinking by that logic De Ligt would be available for 80m.

 

[Wallez]

We need to replace Matic not Herrera

Sadly, we probably need to replace both Matic and Herrera if we are to compete in the later stages of CL. Herrera has the mentality and desire to play for Manchester United, but sadly he is lacking quality both offensively and defensively against top opposition. I agree that we should get an upgrade on Matic, but I would not make it a top priority this summer.

Imagine thinking we'd get 20m for Jones. As an extension on that, imagine thinking by that logic De Ligt would be available for 80m.

Phil Jones has solid market value in todays market, just look at the fees that are thrown around for bang average players like Michael Keane and Jordan Pickford. Harry Maguire is 1 year younger than Jones and while he is a slightly better player, newspapers are speculating in transfer fees of 70 mill pound for him. We got 9 mill for Jonny Evans in a similar situation 3 years ago, and with the inflation of the market this will rise significantly today. Jones would be a fantastic player for any team outside top 6 in PL, and I think the likes of West Ham, Leicester and Everton paying good money for him.

Ajax sold Frenkie de Jong for a total of 70 mill including bonuses to Barcelona, and I see no reason for them to demand much more than that for De Ligt.

 

[Beaucoup]

Imagine thinking we'd get 20m for Jones. As an extension on that, imagine thinking by that logic De Ligt would be available for 80m.

we would.

 

[Morpheus 7]

I find it difficult to get optimistic about these threads, especially after last year. United have needed a clear out for a number of years, we find it hard to shift players. I think it's crazy that people think we still don't need a Cb. If we get an injury to Lindelof we have a comedy defense. People are in the Chris Smalling is great again mode, he's a squad player best for physical forwards good in the air. I dread to think what he'll give away when VAR comes in with the amount of shirt pulling he does. Jones is a donkey and can't be trusted. Rojo can't be trusted to even be fit and Bailly is too erratic. I think Bailly has real potential to partner Lindelof but needs to sort out injuries and decision making. Bottom line is you don't win anything without a strong spine. The difference vvd has made for Liverpool is immense and helps the entire line.

I think we need to rethink our right side . Young should be fazed out and shouldn't start next year, unless it's a league cup game or low opposition in the FA cup. He's clearly been targeted by opposition and we get punished by high quality teams. Further up I think we need a player who provides real width and doesn't need to cut in. Valencia is done and Darmian needs to leave. Essential we get a high quality right back.

In central midfield we need more creativity, look at tomorrow. Where is our real creativity when Pogba is out. Matic is a good squad player but we need more mobility. I think it's hard to know what is going to happen with Fred next year. Periera is out of contract and I don't want Scott starting for United, we need higher caliber of player. Herrera is a fine player to have but regardless of the hype he's getting, he's been inconsistent over each season he's been here(I like Herrera but it's the truth). I think maybe under Ole he could be more consistent.

I think we need rw, rb, cm, and CB. They need to be the right signings that will improve our first 11. I think we should be looking to get rid of Mata, Sanchez, Valencia, Darmian, Rojo and Jones (I'm aware of his long contract but I want him gone). I'm not convinced Lukaku is right under Ole when everyone is fit, I don't think he's going to be okay being a backup.

What will likely happen: Valencia, Darmian and Periera will leave. We'll buy a RB and forward that can play rw.

 

[Nr.7]

This is like reading Football Manager forum.

 

[StrettyEnder07]

Are you mad?

To be fair mate he is spot on about what he says about Smalling & VAR, look at the game against Southampton, he was all over the show, grabbing, pulling defenders, VAR will be a nightmare for Smalling and Jones.

My list for the summer would be:

Sell/Let Go:
Sanchez
Valencia
Darmian
Rojo
One of Smalling or Jones

Buy:
RB: Wan Biasska (him and Dalot for the right, Shaw and Young for the left, baffles me when people think we only need 1 top class player per position, far to many games these days, look at City etc.)
CM: Neves
RW: Sancho
CB: Koulibaly or De Ligt (seen people say we would only have Koulibaly for two years, he is just turning 29, look at the likes of Godin, still going strong at 34/35)

Perfect summer for me that

 

[JJ12]

Imagine thinking we'd get 20m for Jones. As an extension on that, imagine thinking by that logic De Ligt would be available for 80m.

We'd comfortably get 20 for Jones.

 

[RedSky]

Sell/Let Go:
- Darmian
- Valencia
- Sanchez
- Rojo

Buy:
- Sancho
- Alderweireld
- N'Dombele

 

[Gehrman]

Considering last summer transfer , do we have any reason to believe that the owners are prepared to the several hundred million that we need to compete for the highest honors?

 

[AceUnited]

1. Ole (all the way)
2. Alexis, Darmian, Rojo, Valencia, Lukaku ???
3. Sancho, De Ligt plus 2 others
4.
De Gea
Dalot/Young De ligt Lindelof Shaw

Matic / X

Herrera/Gomes Pogba/Lingard

Sancho/Chong Martial/ X

Rashford/Greenwood

 

[Wallez]

The problem last summer was that Mourinho wanted expensive 30 year old players, while the club wanted talent. We ended up with Fred, who I suspect nobody within the club really wanted. It looks likely that Solskjær goes into a new season with a feel-good factor around the club, and I can see us spending big this summer.

 

[Sparky Rhiwabon]

Considering last summer transfer , do we have any reason to believe that the owners are prepared to the several hundred million that we need to compete for the highest honors?

We seem to think we’re getting a “rebuild” every summer, but it never happens. The owners are only interested in value buys, older players at or near the end of their contract or players with some sort of buy out clause.

Whilst extending contracts for the likes of Phil Jones.

 

[laughtersassassin]

Considering last summer transfer , do we have any reason to believe that the owners are prepared to the several hundred million that we need to compete for the highest honors?

Nope, all we can do is hope and if they don't then hope our fans don't make excuses for them this time. It is make or break for us.

 

[deadrevelz]

Considering last summer transfer , do we have any reason to believe that the owners are prepared to the several hundred million that we need to compete for the highest honors?

I think we will spend more than we did last summer. But yes it's likely we won't get the players we really want. Maybe 2 or 3 very good but not top tier players.

 

[laughtersassassin]

I think we will spend more than we did last summer. But yes it's likely we won't get the players we really want. Maybe 2 or 3 very good but not top tier players.

Spending more than last summer means spending more than 40 million net spend.

We couldn't even buy 1 starter for that

 

[Solius]

I'd be happy with

OUT: Darmian, Rojo, Jones, Valencia, Pereira, Sanchez.

IN: Wan-Bissaka, Koulibaly, Sancho, Neves/Ndombele, Brooks. Maybe a top striker but I doubt it.

 

[StrettyEnder07]

Considering last summer transfer , do we have any reason to believe that the owners are prepared to the several hundred million that we need to compete for the highest honors?

170m+ and 165m+ in the two summers prior to last year, that's without talking about the wages of Zlatan and Alexis on free transfers so history suggests that if the players are available we have no issues bringing them in.

With Jose last summer, I am actually glad they did not cave paying 60m plus mental wages for Boateng etc. so Jose could have a go at winning a trophy this year before fecking off.

Imagine Boateng who is bob came in for all that money, Lindelof hardly got a chance, he fecked off and were stuck with a 30+ CB who is only here for the money, no thanks!

Can't see any issues with us splashing the cash this summer and backing hopefully Ole, especially with the talent we are being linked with, Sancho, Ndombele, Neves, Wan Biasska etc. all young with bags of potential and marketing/commercial value, can't see the club having any issues backing the manager.

 

[deadrevelz]

170m+ and 165m+ in the two summers prior to last year, that's without talking about the wages of Zlatan and Alexis on free transfers so history suggests that if the players are available we have no issues bringing them in.

With Jose last summer, I am actually glad they did not cave paying 60m plus mental wages for Boateng etc. so Jose could have a go at winning a trophy this year before fecking off.

Imagine Boateng who is bob came in for all that money, Lindelof hardly got a chance, he fecked off and were stuck with a 30+ CB who is only here for the money, no thanks!

Can't see any issues with us splashing the cash this summer and backing hopefully Ole, especially with the talent we are being linked with, Sancho, Ndombele, Neves, Wan Biasska etc. all young with bags of potential and marketing/commercial value, can't see the club having any issues backing the manager.

I hope not, but it's possible they will look at what Ole has done with this squad and conclude we don't need much investment to get top four and we might have a chance at winning the league.

I predict it will be a net spend of £125MIL.

 

[Gehrman]

The problem last summer was that Mourinho wanted expensive 30 year old players, while the club wanted talent. We ended up with Fred, who I suspect nobody within the club really wanted. It looks likely that Solskjær goes into a new season with a feel-good factor around the club, and I can see us spending big this summer.

I wonder who was the one pushing for the Fred. A 50 million signing in his prime years who was never considered ready to be a starter. It's just odd.

 

[Ian Reus]

I wonder who was the one pushing for the Fred. A 50 million signing in his prime years who was never considered ready to be a starter. It's just odd.

Meanwhile across the city, the oil backed team are precisely signing 50m players just to sit on the bench.

 

[Remember the geese]

I honestly feel that we only need one or two players. The main thing we need is time. Time for the next generation of players to develop into fully fledged first team players.

In goal we are fine. I would like to see us sign either De Ligt or Koulibaly to partner Lindelof. I'm confident that in Shaw, Young, Dalot, Laird and Williams, we have adequate depth and quality in the full back positions. The same goes for central midfield, with Garner and Gomes waiting in the wings. In the forward area I'm a little torn. Although Lingard can be upgraded upon in our starting eleven, I'd be tempted to hold fire until Greenwood makes the spot his own. However, I'm also a big fan of Jadon Sancho, so I would find it difficult to resist targeting him.

 

[11101]

Looking at our possible lineups next season in my view.

1st team:

De Gea
NEW / Dalot - Lindelof - NEW - Shaw
Herrera - Matic - Pogba
Rashford - NEW - Martial

2nd team:

Romero
Young - Smalling - Bailly - NEW
Fred - McTominay / NEW - Pereira
Lingard - Lukaku - NEW

So 4-6 new players. A new CB and forward are essential to our first team, and a new right back if Dalot isn't going to be ready. We also need some fullback cover, a long term replacement for Matic, and competition for the forward line. Hopefully some youngsters like Greenwood and Garner come through to address the last couple, and Tuanzebe deserves a chance after Aston Villa.

And by my reckoning that means the following are free to leave:

Rojo
Darmian
Jones
Sanchez
Valencia
Mata (only if he wants to go)
Fosu Mensah

 

[Gehrman]

Meanwhile across the city, the oil backed team are precisely signing 50m players just to sit on the bench.

They are much better than Fred though.