Those were might exact thoughts. Of course, Mou didn't know how to use Pogba, or didn't think to build a team around Pogba. Mou is an idiot in my book now.
How much of Ole's success is Mourinho's?
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It's all Mourinho. He was building up to that moment for the past three years.
It's sad that he couldn't last long enough to bear the fruits of his genius and hard work.
It's sad that he couldn't last long enough to bear the fruits of his genius and hard work.
Zero. Yes , he bought some good player , but he also spent nearly 400m . Any manager or even user here would have bought some great player with 400m budget.
Exactly, it's somewhere in the negatives.
0, zip, zero, nothing, besides fecking the team up so bad they had to get Ole : )
P.S. Not saying that everything he did was bad!
P.S. Not saying that everything he did was bad!
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Ever catch yourself scrolling through a thread and think, what the feck am I doing?
Well he is the reason that Ole is here, so I'm for one is willing to give him a pat on the shoulder and say thankyou for bringing us low enough to get this one right.
Thank you Jose.
Thank you Jose.
This
Nailed it!
All of it. I think the next five managers would owe whatever success they achieve with us to Jose.
You should be banned, OP.
Ole took the players that Jose deemed not good enough and restored them to their levels. Most of Jose's signings were not playing regularly, half of the squad was in shambles due to his poor man-management, our season looked finished even before that Liverpool game. Ole took reign and took us from the "no-silverware/CL qualification" team to a position that allows us to try and win a trophy this year.
Jose can feck off because he thought he is bigger than the club and the players, therefore he doesn't deserve any credit. If we had the synergy and the team spirit and level we have now since the beginning of the season, we could have been fighting for the PL. He never laid any foundations whatsoever, instead he left with a fat pay and a squad in shambles.
He's just a fecking coward who refused to try to get the best out of this squad.
Jose can feck off because he thought he is bigger than the club and the players, therefore he doesn't deserve any credit. If we had the synergy and the team spirit and level we have now since the beginning of the season, we could have been fighting for the PL. He never laid any foundations whatsoever, instead he left with a fat pay and a squad in shambles.
He's just a fecking coward who refused to try to get the best out of this squad.
I don't think he used Lukaku all that well either. He was constantly having us lump up balls to him because he's big even though it's not his strength. Now we're playing the ball to his feet more and in behind and he's thriving. Plus, Ole isn't having him stay as a static CF - he's getting him to rotate out wide where he's a big threat, too.
Yeah we're all looking forward to the matches now rather than dreading them and watching out of obligation. Imagine how much more that feeling must be intensified that feeling must be for the players.
100%
If Mourinho hadn't broken it in the first place, Solskjaer could never have come and fixed it.
If Mourinho hadn't broken it in the first place, Solskjaer could never have come and fixed it.
I don't think Big Rom is a ball to feet kind of guy. He's better when we play the ball and he can run into it. That's where his strengths can shine.
With his first touch (I know, I know) he's not the best in that regard, but I think he'd prefer having it played there and then using his strength to hold off the opposition player much more than what we were doing under Mourinho with just bombarding him with long balls. We did that quite a bit against PSG the other night and he did alright! Under Mourinho, we'd have just been hoofing it up to him and losing it time after time.
But you're right. His main strength is definitely feeding him balls to run onto. He's so bloody fast!
Difficult for United fans to admit but there are always many tactical routines that stay over a season, especially since the new manager didn't have a pre-season. It's during the pre-season that most tactical patterns are established since during the remaining months it's more about match preparation and player recovery. Ole didn't have a chance to go to the market in January as well so it's the exact same group of players.
Simply, players didn't do their best with Jose for varied reasons which are irrelevant now and of course, he was at fault and had to go. All the merit to Ole to just allow the players to come out and enjoy football again. End of season will already be a good benchmark of Ole's capabilities but, for better or worse, it's gonna be next season where you'll see his true ability as a manager.
Simply, players didn't do their best with Jose for varied reasons which are irrelevant now and of course, he was at fault and had to go. All the merit to Ole to just allow the players to come out and enjoy football again. End of season will already be a good benchmark of Ole's capabilities but, for better or worse, it's gonna be next season where you'll see his true ability as a manager.
Playing better than most of his signings
All of it.
I only know this because when I played I wasn't a ball to feet guy, either. But if you played something for me to run into I was lethal.
I do think Mourinho's transfer dealings were actually quite good, but I know most on here disagree with that. Otherwise I don't think anything else can be credited to him
What are we, RAWK?
Then I guess we celebrated far too early
They’re not though. Memphis has been booed by Lyon fans of late.
Not a single of them is in better form than Lindelof, Pogba or Lukaku.
Mourinho's defensive structure? You mean the structure that had a group of well above average PL defenders looking like championship players? Utd were an utter mess this season under Mou, poorly coached, poorly tactically prepared and poorly motivated.
Utd did not look like a team with any sort of progressive game-plan or coherent strategy under Mou, thus his reliance on long hoofs to Fellaini and Lukaku. he deserves no credit or revision of the contempt we have for him. In reality it should go the other way and the pitiful nature of his performance and attitude should become more stark.
Utd did not look like a team with any sort of progressive game-plan or coherent strategy under Mou, thus his reliance on long hoofs to Fellaini and Lukaku. he deserves no credit or revision of the contempt we have for him. In reality it should go the other way and the pitiful nature of his performance and attitude should become more stark.
Wtf is this? fecking none.
Thats 3 of his 11 signings. Suggesting you agree that they're playing better than most of his signings. Thanks
Rashford has developed under Mourinho. Got Shaw back on track too. Played McTominay.
That's not much in the end, and that could also have happened under another manager.
Quite alright in the transfer-dealings. But except for Zlatan, those could probably also have happened under other managers.
That's not much in the end, and that could also have happened under another manager.
Quite alright in the transfer-dealings. But except for Zlatan, those could probably also have happened under other managers.
To be fair, we're appreciating some of those signings a lot more now we've got a manager who can actually get good football out of them. Had Mourinho gotten his way with Pogba we'd have been asking why he'd broken the world transfer record for a player who was meddling at best. Since Mourinho left, Pogba's become vital to our play. Similarly, Lukaku was being written off as a big money flop but is having a bit of a resurgence lately. Your actual signings can be good theoretically - but if you can't get them to perform, they're still failed signings.
Well, I guess it helped that he shat on the players so when Ole came in with a positive attitude they immediately responded positively as well!
The current success is all down to LvG, he layed the ground work, as he has done for every big club since 1898.
I guess there's a chance some players may have learned a little about defensive positioning and suchlike, having been brainwashed into anything but. If anything you'd think the sheer joy of him buggering off and finally being able to play football would be the main contribution.
None.
Maureen deserves nothing from the success of Ole, nothing. He damaged the players he brought in and the ones who were already here. Ole is the one who had picked them up and put them together again. Not sure how long Ole's success with last, but Maureen deserves nothing.
None, our defense was shambles under Jose. We look much more structured under Ole than at any point this season under Jose. Ole's identified our best XI which Jose was never able to do. We have a tactical identity under Ole and the players seem to understand whats expected from them. Simplicity has gone a long way and that's all Ole and the new staff.
Mourinhou bought Pogba, Dalot, Lindelof that's about it.
I've got to say that first of all, I don't really care
However, what I will say to the people that have said 'none' or 'nothing' (which has annoyed me a bit!) is that you can't have your cake and eat it - i.e. you were probably all the same people criticising Jose's signings yet Lukaku, Pogba and Lindelof amongst others, have all been instrumental in our recent success
I would also think it's hard for anyone to argue that Jose's treatment of Shaw hasn't ultimately made him a better player
However, what I will say to the people that have said 'none' or 'nothing' (which has annoyed me a bit!) is that you can't have your cake and eat it - i.e. you were probably all the same people criticising Jose's signings yet Lukaku, Pogba and Lindelof amongst others, have all been instrumental in our recent success
I would also think it's hard for anyone to argue that Jose's treatment of Shaw hasn't ultimately made him a better player
Under Mourinho this season we conceded 35 goals in 24 games.
Solskjaer's United has conceded 13 in 16 games while playing a more entertaining and proactive brand of football.
How can you possibly think that Mourinho is responsible for anything other than dragging us down for so long? We were looking likely to lose our best players, players that he wasn't getting the best from, and we we're a million miles away from the top four. Ole has done a phenomenal job in spite of the limitations and circumstances created by Jose.