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Think you missed my point. Also, consider the jobs each had.

I didn't miss your point, I just think you're far too willing to discount 'winning' as an important criteria.

Even if you want to dismiss what Mourinho won here as irrelevant, they are the sort of trophies that Klopp has consistently failed to pick up. In fact, I'd argue that the clubs that Mourinho has won trophies at recently (i.e. us and Chelsea) are clubs that are pretty similar to clubs that Klopp has been in charge of (i.e. by no means the best team in the country), but Mourinho (for all his numerous other faults) has continued to find a way to pick up trophies whilst Klopp hasn't.

That could all change come May (god forbid), but until it does I find it very hard to believe a club like Madrid who are seriously obsessed with winning would not look at Klopp's record of winning things and have serious reservations, 'rebuild' (which, again I'm not sure if Klopp doesn't get too much credit for) or not.
 

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Look mate, I've been following mercenaries like him since my childhood. Before Mou came along there were the likes of Capello and Sven Goran Eriksson ie managers who has no long terms plans, who come at a club on ridiculous salaries, they spend as much money as they can, they win as many trophies as they can and they move with no care in the world of what they might leave behind. Club owners know whom these people are and they sign them for that exact reason.

The trouble with these managers is that they need a constant pile of trophies to keep them going. Once trophies start drying up then there's a problem as it doesn't justify why they were signed in the first place. Mou lost 3 dressing rooms. He hasn't won a league title for the past 4 years and that was followed by 2 dressing rooms lost, failure in qualifying the CL and 2 sackings. He was replaced by some rookie and United results had improved significantly since we sacked Mou. So ask yourself, if Mou can't guarantee top trophies anymore, then why on earth would any handle him a huge salary in the first place? He can't man manage, he has no clue on how to build a squad for the future and when shit hits fan he'll blame it on others even the CEO. That's very bad news for prospective employers.

Each Ole's win is converted into yet another nail into Mou's career's coffin. The guy need to move somewhere quickly and remove this huge albatross off his neck.
The aftermath of success at both Chelsea and Madrid doesn’t match with your assertions. Fact is that Mourinho is better than most at building long lasting foundations for success.
 

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“Why put another layer of gold paint on the Bentley when you are losing the entire engine”

Zidane on selling Makelele and buying Beckham. Not surprised he is a big fan of Kante and Pogba. Different players yes but also players who both have high engines and tremendous physical impact on games.
 

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Massive mistake on his part. Madrid are on the post galactico downward spiral. They did it in the 2000s and its happening again, the squad is full of ageing stars on the decline and their underwhelming replacements. They'll probably buy one or two massive money players but it won't make much difference. They need a complete reset.

If i'm wrong and he can turn it around then he truly is something special.
You won't be wrong though. Zidane show he's an average manager that motivated the best team in Europe full of divas that were finally under a manager they respected. Sure his achievement in the CL was spectacular but he had an awful lot of luck too.

His return is gonna end terribly because Madrid fans have no patience. A rebuild could take 3+ years and within that time they'll need an entire new XI to replace Marcelo, Ramos, Kroos, Modric, Bale, Ronaldo (yet to be replaced), Benzema and add quality throughout the squad. By the time the rebuilding job is done Barcelona will still be the best team in Spain.

They better get ready to spend big. The market is a different animal now than it was when they were building their x3 CL team.
 

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Inter aren't even the biggest team in their own city and they traditionally loom behind Juve and Milan. Also note that Serie a football has changed alot in the past few years with most clubs struggling to compete with their counterparts abroad and with napoli usurping the two milanese clubs to become the only threat to Juve dominance. Inter might have the history of a top club but in terms of finances & prestige its not even near to Real or us
True, but Inter has more CL than Juve... same of us, more european and intercontinental cups than us, they are in a period of transition, but the property is very rich, we will see in the coming years
 

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Fashion rule number 1: Number take anything from your wife's wardrobe.
That's seriously discomforting to look at. It's like someone photoshopped woman's legs on Zidane, yet it's real. My brain is having serious problems comprehending that. What the hell! :lol::houllier:
 

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Aaaaah... I'm so relieved that Perez decided to call Zizou. My second favourite club is Real Madrid and Barcelona is a close 3rd but i go with Real because most of our players have gone and done well there. For example, RVN, Becky, Ronaldo and so on. They have been struggling to have a shape since Zizou left and haven't been able to cope without Ronaldo. Zizou left at the wrong time for them but he's returning to better things at the Santiago Bernabeu. Real Madrid are gonna rule Spain again now!! Back off Valverde!!
 

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True, but Inter has more CL than Juve... same of us, more european and intercontinental cups than us, they are in a period of transition, but the property is very rich, we will see in the coming years
I'm not sure about the context that you are using here. Inter got two of their CLs in the sixties. They are not in transition they are currently in what is normal for them.
 

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The aftermath of success at both Chelsea and Madrid doesn’t match with your assertions. Fact is that Mourinho is better than most at building long lasting foundations for success.
I think that a sacked manager shouldn't be judged by the results achieved by his successors tbh. I thought it was silly when Ranieri and Mancini tried to do that with Mou (Chelsea and Inter respectively) and it would be silly to do that with Mou at Chelsea and United.

A- No one can distinguish were the sacked manager's contribution end and were his successor's contribution starts.
B- If we take the United experience as an example then all Mou's 'good work' was set to go to the shitters with top players like Pogba, DDG and Martial rumoured to be pushing to leave the club unless Mou was shown the door

Therefore, in my opinion, a top manager can only be judged as a great squad builder if he builds a successful side for the future and then he actually leads it to success. I mean what's the point of us spending 400m to build a decent squad only for the manager to have to rely on donkeys like Fellaini because any player with a shred of talent refuse to play for him?
 

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True, but Inter has more CL than Juve... same of us, more european and intercontinental cups than us, they are in a period of transition, but the property is very rich, we will see in the coming years
The CL is Juventus dark beast. Its a bit like Thanos for the Avengers, statesmanship for Boris Johnson or any trophy for Spurs. I lost count of how many times Juventus reached the final only to bottle it. That doesn't mean that Juventus aren't way bigger then Inter are. Its like saying that Forest and United pre 2007 are equal to Nottingham Forest.
 

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You won't be wrong though. Zidane show he's an average manager that motivated the best team in Europe full of divas that were finally under a manager they respected. Sure his achievement in the CL was spectacular but he had an awful lot of luck too.

His return is gonna end terribly because Madrid fans have no patience. A rebuild could take 3+ years and within that time they'll need an entire new XI to replace Marcelo, Ramos, Kroos, Modric, Bale, Ronaldo (yet to be replaced), Benzema and add quality throughout the squad. By the time the rebuilding job is done Barcelona will still be the best team in Spain.

They better get ready to spend big. The market is a different animal now than it was when they were building their x3 CL team.
They already have replacements for most of those players you mentioned in their squad right now barring Ramos. Bale is barely playing as it is and they probably could’ve easily sold him in any of the last 2 summers. All they need is 1 or 2 galactico signings (like Mbappe) and they’re set to go again. Eriksen would be a nice acquisition too to ease Modric into a lesser role as he ages or to even replace Kroos. Their troubles are greatly overstated. It wouldn’t take 3+ years for a rebuild. They don’t have a squad full of players like fellaini, Darmian, young, smalling, past-it Rooney (when he was still here) etc.
 
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Pure masterclass from Zidane. He went from almost zero coaching experience at the highest level to become the most successful manager in recent decades in 3 seasons. Then he saw that the club management was insufficient to continue their success, so he gently stepped back and dodged the bullet. Now the Real Madrid board seem to have realized that their squad needs overhauling, and Zidane can step gently back into a severely underperforming team that has bags of money to use in the summer transfer window. If the rumored transfer budget of 300 million is somewhat reliable, I can see him taking them back into success next season.
 

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So clubs now want a manager who would feel they are at home.
It's all Ole's fault I say
 

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Fashion rule number 1: Number take anything from your wife's wardrobe.
Wow. I don't usually care how people dress. What they do/bring to the table matters more. But that just doesn't look right. Talk about a fashion victim. (cue the slim jean look now ruined, back to baggies yay!)
 

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It will be absolutely hilarious to see the reactions of a few here if DDG and pogba are the first ones to leave
I feel like Kante and Hazard have more of a chance at a Madrid transfer, then the two of Pogba and David.

But I doubt that's the type of players they need, I can see them pushing for Neymar or Mbappe and a Striker
 

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What? I never saw the bottom part :lol: I just saw the upper half and thought, hmm well i used to wear those in my teens.
 

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It will end in tears.

I hope he does well because I like him as a coach. But no Ronaldo to paper over cracks.

If rumours are to be believed and they’re going to go after Neymar and Mbappe then I’ll eat my words but I can’t see Real being allowed to throw the cash around now there are the likes of City and PSG to compete with.
 

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This is like Jardim, but the other way round. Why the sudden U-turn? They must’ve promised him a boat load of cash and a war chest bigger than Hazard’s arse. Why else would he want to risk that legacy?
He can come back as the saviour which would cement his legacy in Madrid history.
 

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Aaaaah... I'm so relieved that Perez decided to call Zizou. My second favourite club is Real Madrid and Barcelona is a close 3rd but i go with Real because most of our players have gone and done well there. For example, RVN, Becky, Ronaldo and so on. They have been struggling to have a shape since Zizou left and haven't been able to cope without Ronaldo. Zizou left at the wrong time for them but he's returning to better things at the Santiago Bernabeu. Real Madrid are gonna rule Spain again now!! Back off Valverde!!
Your top three clubs are Man Utd, Real Madrid and Barcelona? You must’ve had it tough.
 

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It's actually shockling the amount of people here who actually believe he is incompetent and/or managed to win 9 trophies in 2 years and half just because of Ronaldo

The good old "Stick to Fifa/FM" has never been more true than when reading this thread.
 

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It will end in tears.

I hope he does well because I like him as a coach. But no Ronaldo to paper over cracks.

If rumours are to be believed and they’re going to go after Neymar and Mbappe then I’ll eat my words but I can’t see Real being allowed to throw the cash around now there are the likes of City and PSG to compete with.
It will end in tears, those jeans are far too tight for a man his age.
 

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Dont like this.
Think Zidane will come for Pogba and the papers will link him away all summer long:mad:
Worst case scenario is a Pogba - Bale + cash swap :nervous: Surley we wont even think about doing that.
 

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We need to tie Pogba with a good contract aka Sanchez to prevent him from joining Zidane.
 

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Aaaaah... I'm so relieved that Perez decided to call Zizou. My second favourite club is Real Madrid and Barcelona is a close 3rd but i go with Real because most of our players have gone and done well there. For example, RVN, Becky, Ronaldo and so on. They have been struggling to have a shape since Zizou left and haven't been able to cope without Ronaldo. Zizou left at the wrong time for them but he's returning to better things at the Santiago Bernabeu. Real Madrid are gonna rule Spain again now!! Back off Valverde!!
Who's your fourth favourite team? Milan or Juventus?
 

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His legacy is surely already cemented. Coming back now risks tarnishing it if anything.
Well, people have questioned whether the success was down to him or the great players they had.

Now, he can rescue Madrid from the doldrums and if he's successful, then there would be no question.
 

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It will be absolutely hilarious to see the reactions of a few here if DDG and pogba are the first ones to leave
Can't really blame either if they decide to go play for a legend and in easier league.

Here they are currently fighting for top 4 spot and their managers are past their best or unproven (I'm looking at you Poch)