Quite a lot of political hacks getting a little giddy on twitter about rumours of another May speach outside number 10 after she meets with opposition parties and the 1922 committee this evening. Seems like something's brewing.
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So many false dawns that I wouldn't get my hopes up.
"I vow to fight on, my deal is the only deal" etc etc.
Blair would be' toxic' for Remain. Lammy is not toxic but he is a 'marmite man', just as many people think he talks 'bollocks' as agree with his views.
Remain needs a proven Europhile, one of only a few MPs who voted against A50 in the first place and who has a history of supporting the UK membership of the EU and that's Ken Clarke. True he is a Tory, and in the minority in his party and he is getting on a bit, but he might just be able to talk to some of the so called ageing leavers?
If it's true that Macron doesn't want a pointless extension then surely that means there's a good chance that, inexplicably, she's going to get her deal through next week? Then the EU could agree to a short extension for the UK to sort things out.
Yep, petrified we'll stay now!
Who is this plonker?Good. Put us out of our misery.
Careful or you may sleep with the fishes. Capiche?
Silvio Dante from the Soprano's, who knew he was the man to sort this whole thing out?
To accomplish that would indeed be a modern day miracle. With a hard core of Leaver ERG on one side and another core of rigid Remain stalwarts on the other, both voting against (albeit for different reasons) May would need a substantial number of Labour MPs to cross the floor of the house (£1.6B bribes not withstanding) and vote for a deal they don't believe in... just can't see it happening.
It has to be no 'deal' or no Brexit, as it was on day one (23rd June) of this whole debacle!
You might be right, I just wonder if a lot of Labour MPs who have spoken about how disastrous no deal would be might be spooked to either voting for her deal or at least abstaining, it's not like Corbyn wants to remain or even have a second referendum so I can't see him actively whipping his MPs against the deal. You are right though that the numbers she needs to win over are massive and the ERG and DUP suddenly see no deal in sight.
Who has seen Donald Jnr's article in the Telegraph? I'd like to smash the cnut's face in.
Food shortages?
May's options are pretty limited by my thinking.
I don't think she'd even have the votes for a GE or a referendum. Genuinely think if May tried a GE without any good cause, enough Tory MPs would rebel and wouldn't get the 2/3 majority required. Corbyn can look like the saviour in that scenario as well. Refuse a GE, until Brexit is dealt with and brand May an irresponsible lunatic.
If she tries to go no deal, Corbyn will call a confidence motion and the government will certainly collapse. New "temporary" government will be able to be voted in within 14 days per FTP act, can then deal with Brexit. Just needs a majority of MPs from any party.
The deal can't be voted before September in new parliament session, unless "substantial changes" which May can't get.
Can't be an extension without a referendum or similar as Macron will veto it.
So what does that leave?
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Stick the quail eggs and swan in the freezer for later
Not sure you get it. If the UK don't agree to the deal that's on offer, I.e. the one that they can't agree to because they can't debate it again, then there are only 2 choices. No deal, or no Brexit.
The fact that parliament passed a motion saying that they reject no deal is irrelevant if they then proceed to fail to agree to the deal.
I know a lot of posters on here from the UK are appalled by this so I don't like my own generalizing here, but fecking hell you folks need a look at your education system because you would appear to be a country of stupid fecking eejits, from day one of this whole shambles. Shocking.
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If you're taking any of Tony Blairs comments at face value, then you're very naive or have a short memory.
Blair says everything Corbyn should be saying. Instead Corbyn is at the Kebab Awards
Even if the Labour MPs (in vote leave constituencies ) abstained, its doubtful May would win.
There has been a tremendous hoax perpetrated on the public in the UK, i.e.the belief that we could leave with 'good deal'. It was never going to be possible, a) because of the way A50 is set up; b) because the EU cannot afford to let us walk away without some penalty. Whether its good or bad for us to have a no deal, that is what the vast majority of Leavers voted for, economic consequences didn't come into it, at least for most of them. Hence it was always going to be 'No deal' or 'No Brexit' as in the referendum itself.
If, as seems the case, most MPs want to Remain, then they have to have the courage of their convictions (regardless of party/loyalty etc.) and to vote or otherwise manoeuvre the Government into revoking A50.
There is no other choice for them or the nation except 'No Deal' and this has been the case from day one. The EU cannot, never mind will not, give us a 'good deal' either in the WA or in any follow up Trade agreements. However, our political class being 'politicians' and ever mindful of their own jobs and that "Turkeys, don't...etc." they have pretended to fight for democracy, or to interpret the Will of the people (but only those in their own image and likeness, etc.) and to generate lots of public appearances, flogging their own brand of how to fool at least some of the people, all of the time!
Ask not for whom the bell tolls!
Donald Tusk statement coming in 1 minute.
This is either going to be really good, really bad or neither.
You’re welcome for that insight.
You’re welcome for that insight.
Thank you, Jeremy Paxman
it could be both, think before you post sir
I see that Ed has managed to get rid of our fax machine!
That leaves No Deal. If we take your confidence motion scenario: by the time a new government is voted in, no deal Brexit will have happened.
If we are not crashing out with no deal and we are not getting an extension then the only option left is to revoke it and then figure out the conditions of if and how it gets invoked again.
This is incredibly disingenuous, and not for the first time in this thread. Both your reasons basically put the blame squarely on the EU for a "good deal" being impossible. A good deal is mostly impossible because of the UK's red lines in the negotiations. That's it. There is no penalty. The UK is not being penalised by the Withdrawal Agreement: it aims to make sure the UK respects the Good Friday Agreement, a binding international treaty.
Revoke Article 50 has to be the priority now. It can always be triggered again later, there's nothing to stop the Government doing that as far as I know.
Always thought of him as the Bruce Springsteen and E Street member first
An extension is only possible if May's deal gets through parliament according to Tusk.
It won't so no extension is possible.
We're screwed.
It won't so no extension is possible.
We're screwed.
That is the sensible option, the problem is this government is fecked.
When you bash out all the details and negotiate in good faith you realise that a good deal for everyone is what EU Membershio looks like.