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[berbatrick]

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And there's no parliamentary majority for:
no deal
May's deal
2nd vote
revoking A50


Ironically the only thing that might have been pushed through parliament is Corbyn's Norway-style formula, but he's not in power, so...

 

[bleedred]

I see No-deal as the best case scenario now.

Even if May's deal goes through, she is going to resign and whoever is going to take her position, will screw up the negotiations over the next two years and it will be again a clusterfeck, without even considering the Irish border problem, which supposedly can be fixed through some mythical technology.

 

[Hammerfell]

I see No-deal as the best case scenario now.

Even if May's deal goes through, she is going to resign and whoever is going to take her position, will screw up the negotiations over the next two years and it will be again a clusterfeck, without even considering the Irish border problem, which supposedly can be fixed through some mythical technology.

This makes no sense. How is it?

 

[SteveJ]

May addressed her fellow leaders earlier, in a 90-minute question and answer session that by all accounts did not go well, as she flatly refused to say what she plans to do if her deal is rejected for a third time.

FFS

 

[RORY65]

I see No-deal as the best case scenario now.

Even if May's deal goes through, she is going to resign and whoever is going to take her position, will screw up the negotiations over the next two years and it will be again a clusterfeck, without even considering the Irish border problem, which supposedly can be fixed through some mythical technology.

So it's better to just not have further negotiations, screwing the economy even more and costing lots of people their jobs, while still not fixing the Irish border problem?

 

[Tarrou]

No deal seems the most likely outcome

 

[Fingeredmouse]

I see No-deal as the best case scenario now.

Even if May's deal goes through, she is going to resign and whoever is going to take her position, will screw up the negotiations over the next two years and it will be again a clusterfeck, without even considering the Irish border problem, which supposedly can be fixed through some mythical technology.

Two years with some chance, however small, is better than no chance, which is no deal.

 

[CassiusClaymore]

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Poll conducted entirely in Thurrock.

 

[Sweet Square]

but he's not in power, so...

I know someone who voted Remain in the referendum and now will have his business affected by a no deal. Yet when it came to 2017 election he voted, yep you guessed it Tory.

And yes he completely blames Corbyn for the mess we are in.

 

[bleedred]

This makes no sense. How is it?

So it's better to just not have further negotiations, screwing the economy even more and costing lots of people their jobs, while still not fixing the Irish border problem?

Two years with some chance, however small, is better than no chance, which is no deal.

The withdrawal agreement is just a transition phase, everything has to be negotiated over the next two years. The uncertainty is what is hurting businesses and forcing them to move.

No-deal could lead to two possibilities.
1) The economy tanks, people unrest leading to joining the EU again.
2) somehow they negotiate some deal and the economy doesn't tank and people move on with their lives.

As I said, the uncertainty is the main issue here. May's deal is not going to make it any better.

 

[RedSky]

I know someone who voted Remain in the referendum and now will have his business affected by a no deal. Yet when it came to 2017 election he voted..... yep you guessed it Tory.

And yes he completely blames Corbyn for the mess we are in.

Tory voter refusing to accept reality shocker. I'm shocked.

 

[Buster15]

And the bastxxxs are using all the noise about Brexit to cover up a very nasty increase in Probate charges.
And don't think that this will only affect the 'rich'.
Anyone who owns a house or who owns half of the house with your spouse owning the other half will be adversely affected with costs running into thousands of pounds.

Probate was a fixed charge. Now there is a sliding charge that has to be paid before probate is granted.

This despicable government has made this change by calling the new probate charges a FEE when in fact it is a TAX increase. By calling it a fee it did not require parliamentary approval.
Bastxxxs.

 

[JPRouve]

It's not even tradition, SLDP and UUP used to be the dominant parties here. But Sinn Fein and DUP have somehow both managed to simultaneously move into the the centre ground taking the moderate vote and whip up the eejits on both ends of the spectrum too. It would be impressive if it wasn't crippling us.

I'll be honest, I'm dumbfounded. From what you guys have to say about both parties and the way they act, voting for them makes no sense.

 

[RedSky]

1) The economy tanks, people unrest leading to joining the EU again.

This won't happen though. Not in the immediate future because the far right wont accept it. Both the General Public and the MPs who supported Brexit (who will be making a pretty penny from it all). Once we're out, we're out and we'll be living with the consequences for a while imo.

 

[unchanged_lineup]

I only found out today that ERG stands for European Research Group.

I was sure it'd be something like English Royalist Group or some daft empire slogan.

 

[golden_blunder]

Really, this isn't true.

How so? Neither of them are trustworthy for different reasons.

 

[golden_blunder]

Have to disagree on that one GB. DUP have even been telling their farmer vote base to stfu even though they have been protesting a no deal brexit and defending the backstop. This false equivalency nonsense doesnt fly anymore sorry!

You know SF could play a blinder here and take their seats in London to vote on the biggest issue in UKs recent history. Could fcuk up the UK for years without doing anything other than vote

 

[golden_blunder]

I only found out today that ERG stands for European Research Group.

I was sure it'd be something like English Royalist Group or some daft empire slogan.

You’re wrong: it stands for Elitist Robbing Gobshites

 

[bleedred]

You know SF could play a blinder here and take their seats in London to vote on the biggest issue in UKs recent history. Could fcuk up the UK for years without doing anything other than vote

I was thinking about that as well. This would be a historic time for them to take the seats finally, but I don't see how 7 votes are going to help any case.

 

[RedChip]

The withdrawal agreement is just a transition phase, everything has to be negotiated over the next two years. The uncertainty is what is hurting businesses and forcing them to move.

No-deal could lead to two possibilities.
1) The economy tanks, people unrest leading to joining the EU again.
2) somehow they negotiate some deal and the economy doesn't tank and people move on with their lives.

As I said, the uncertainty is the main issue here. May's deal is not going to make it any better.

Surely, the reason the uncertainty is so crippling is because one of the possible outcomes is no deal?

Preferring no deal over uncertainty is somewhat like preferring death over an uncertain prognosis.

 

[Minimalist]

I'll be honest, I'm dumbfounded. From what you guys have to say about both parties and the way they act, voting for them makes no sense.

In short: because if we don't vote for us ones, themmuns will definitely vote for themmuns (can't have that).

It's a narrow-minded voting system but it's very real. Put it this way, I wouldn't bank on any person who votes for either DUP or Sinn Fein buying into their political agenda beyond being a stick to beat the other with.

Meanwhile our economy, schools, hospitals etc go without a care because this is who we're left with.

Both of them need to feck off.

 

[caid]

I'll be honest, I'm dumbfounded. From what you guys have to say about both parties and the way they act, voting for them makes no sense.

Not from Northern Ireland so could be wrong but my guess is that things in the current state are a delicate balance. Neither side is comfortable going an inch further so they elect intractable, fanatics who wont move. It just seems kind of defensive.
Thats my interpretation

 

[bleedred]

Surely, the reason the uncertainty is so crippling is because one of the possible outcomes is no deal?

Preferring no deal over uncertainty is somewhat like preferring death over an uncertain prognosis.

I don't believe so. Say, if the instructions were clear from Day 1 that it was going to be a no deal, there would have been preparations in place now.

I would prefer a soft brexit/no brexit at all, but the parliament has been so callous and incompetent, which makes me think that we are never going to get a deal which the majority likes and the negotiations keep prolonging the inevitable.

 

[sullydnl]

So it's better to just not have further negotiations, screwing the economy even more and costing lots of people their jobs, while still not fixing the Irish border problem?

 

[ThierryHenry]

MP Lloyd Russel-Moyle saying he was assaulted by a leave voter today. First of many I'm sure sadly

Jo Cox was the first.

 

[Infra-red]

I see No-deal as the best case scenario now.

Even if May's deal goes through, she is going to resign and whoever is going to take her position, will screw up the negotiations over the next two years and it will be again a clusterfeck, without even considering the Irish border problem, which supposedly can be fixed through some mythical technology.

The withdrawal agreement is just a transition phase, everything has to be negotiated over the next two years. The uncertainty is what is hurting businesses and forcing them to move.

No-deal could lead to two possibilities.
1) The economy tanks, people unrest leading to joining the EU again.
2) somehow they negotiate some deal and the economy doesn't tank and people move on with their lives.

As I said, the uncertainty is the main issue here. May's deal is not going to make it any better.

Surely the best outcome now from a business perspective would be the UK unilaterally revoking A50 and cancelling Brexit this week. No more uncertainty and none of the chaos of a no deal crash out?

 

[RedChip]

I don't believe so. Say, if the instructions were clear from Day 1 that it was going to be a no deal, there would have been preparations in place now.

I would prefer a soft brexit/no brexit at all, but the parliament has been so callous and incompetent, which makes me think that we are never going to get a deal which the majority likes and the negotiations keep prolonging the inevitable.

That's arguable I guess. But as of now, we are not really prepared for it, which is why no deal looks like worst case scenario. I mean, for example, the threat of supply chains grinding to a halt in the next few weeks is bad for Business; but it is surely not as bad as the actuality of it, is it?

 

[bleedred]

Surely the best outcome now from a business perspective would be the UK unilaterally revoking A50 and cancelling Brexit this week. No more uncertainty and none of the chaos of a no deal crash out?

Yes. But that's not happening. I am sorry, people expecting a second referendum or another GE to make this better are living in fantasy land.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Do you think it's valuable to say the same thing over and over and over again, to the same group of people, who have no influence whatsoever on the thing you're obsessing over?

I think that's the first time I've said that but if you want to close the thread then ask the mods. What's the point. Jesus.

 

[bleedred]

That's arguable I guess. But as of now, we are not really prepared for it, which is why no deal looks like worst case scenario. I mean, for example, the threat of supply chains grinding to a halt in the next few weeks is bad for Business; but it is surely not as bad as the actuality of it, is it?

Every scenario except no brexit is worst case scenario. To me, No deal is the better than another round of negotiations, and we end up with the same position every three months.

 

[Infra-red]

Yes. But that's not happening. I am sorry, people expecting a second referendum or another GE to make this better are living in fantasy land.

So it's not really that you think crashing out with no deal is the "best case scenario", as you originally said. It's just that you think it is inevitable.

 

[ThierryHenry]

A lot of people have been impressed by Mrs May doggedness and I was initially one of those.

However, what is very evident is that while she is the PM, she is not free to make all the decisions on her own and ignore the HoC votes and rules.

She has isolated herself, made terrible decisions, completely failed to get cross party consensus and is now blaming every one else for her stunning mismanagement of the whole Brexit process.

I initially felt a little sorry for her.
Not any more. Her incompetence is being laid bare.

The wheels have absolutely come off and she is flailing around being driven uncontrollably by events.

Good post. Staggeringly poor leadership.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Surely not.

She doesn't know yet, and neither do we. Her plan hasn't changed for a good while, take it to the wire so there's a binary choice and no alternative. Only then will we know whether her plan has been successful or not.

She does seem to have wound up some of the MPs who were ready to switch to her side, but come that last vote their choicesd will be the same, wound up or not, deal or no deal. I reckon she still has a good chance, but I might be the last one to think so.

I mean as far as she's concerned he has completed her task in getting the WA with her red lines. What happens next is incidental. Not saying she's right.

 

[Eire Red United]

In short: because if we don't vote for us ones, themmuns will definitely vote for themmuns (can't have that).

It's a narrow-minded voting system but it's very real. Put it this way, I wouldn't bank on any person who votes for either DUP or Sinn Fein buying into their political agenda beyond being a stick to beat the other with.

Meanwhile our economy, schools, hospitals etc go without a care because this is who we're left with.

Both of them need to feck off.

I’ll be honest, I’m completely biased here but only one of these parties is an anti-gay, racist and xenophobic bunch of lunatics who amongst other scandals cost the public purse hundreds of millions in a fecking scheme for protestant farmers to heat empty chicken houses.

Sinn Fein are far from perfect, but I can only speak from experience, any of the local elected officals were I am are absolute gentlemen who couldn’t do enough for constituents in my experience.

In short, there’s no comparison between the two.

 

[Minimalist]

I’ll be honest, I’m completely biased here but only one of these parties is an anti-gay, racist and xenophobic bunch of lunatics who amongst other scandals cost the public purse hundreds of millions in a fecking scheme for protestant farmers to heat empty chicken houses.

Sinn Fein are far from perfect, but I can only speak from experience, any of the local elected officals were I am are absolute gentlemen who couldn’t do enough for constituents in my experience.

In short, there’s no comparison between the two.

That's obvious. Sinn Fein are scum.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Do you think it's valuable to say the same thing over and over and over again, to the same group of people, who have no influence whatsoever on the thing you're obsessing over?

God help us if that’s the bar we’re setting for worthwhile posting on redcafe. You’d have to delete most of the threads in the football forum. You should start with the Messi vs Ronaldo one.

 

[Eire Red United]

so we only get an extension if we pass May's deal next week, right? But didn't matey in parliament say they couldn't have another vote on May's deal unless its significantly changed?

But apparently MP’s can tell him to pipe down if a majority are going to back the deal.

 

[Eire Red United]

That's obvious. Sinn Fein are scum.

tiocfaidh ár lá

 

[Eire Red United]

There isn't a majority to revoke A50. We're ultra fecked.

Surely there will be if it comes down to that or no deal. Surely....

 

[esmufc07]

A part of me hopes we just leave on the 29th March and be done with it, even if it is no deal. Deal with the fallout however bad it may be and then focus on the campaign to rejoin the EU at whatever point in the future