For me its the fact that the likes of Johnson and JRM have folded. But to be fair I dont see anything to suggest Labour will do the same.
Rumours of Labour MPs rebelling and voting for the deal. Also now seems the ERG will mostly be voting for the deal. There will be very little in it. But if she can get a decent portion of labour rebels on board then it could get through.
They are going to say look how slow the traffic is going. That is how much people care about Brexit. It's like saying I'm gonna sit in my car for 20 minutes not moving between 8 and 9 on the M25. You now it's gonna happen anyway.Just seen on social media, people planning to drive stupidly slow along the M60 from Heaton Park at 7:30/8:00 this morning. For those that know the M60 that's all they'll be doing anyway, it's gridlocked at that time no matter what.
I'd really love to speak to some of the idiots that have gone out of their way to sit in rush hour traffic for no reason
The rebels will vote for it that's a given They did last time.
Thanks, appreciate the update- it's weird being on holiday but also fretting about Brexit.
When I speak about the EU, I speak about the member states too - it is about collective responsibility. I don't dispute that in plenty of cases, anger that should be directed at the respective governments, is in fact hurled at Brussels. But the threat nonetheless remains - and so it'd seem sensible to me to look to collectively address that threat rather than to ignore it and hope that it remains a minority. Nor does it seem sensible to double-down on the very thing that people have long expressed concerns about - greater centralisation. The UK can't be treated as a 'problem child' and the referendum result dismissed as a freak. As of last year, only 28% of people believed the EU was headed in the 'right direction', hardly a ringing endorsement.
If I was Johnson I would have played it a bit differently though, yes he wants to be PM and so wants May to go and so yes, getting the deal through helps facilitate that, but do people really think the only way May goes is if she passes her deal? She is Dead PM Walking either way, all he has done is opened himself up to accusations of self interest and flip flopping, and angered his die hard Brexiter fans. He should (IMO) have played a slightly longer game, (for once) stuck to his "principles" (pretending he has any) and waited, the job is going to open up one way or the other in the next few months. This just makes him look even more of an arsehole than usual, if that was even possible.
That sounds a very credible and plausible reading of the situation, but the situation is so unpredictable and irrational that trying to call it is anyone's guess.
In an ideal world perhaps with you leading the team 2 years would be adequate.
Not just because she's a woman. What a prat.
That is fair. Regrettably our politicians have demonstrated that they are not fit for purpose and while many are professional politicians, in reality they are absolute rank amateurs.
I don't think it will be enough, no. The offer to step down has in fact likely proved counter-productive in terms of securing Labour votes, because they're concerned that voting her deal through guarantees a hard Brexit under a new Brexiteer PM.
Maybe some people think the only acceptable solution will be one that is nobody's worst case scenario, even if it is also nobody's best case? An option that pisses everyone off, but without anybody being absolutely terminally outraged? Isnt that one way to proceed when you have the country split down the middle with completely contradictory views? This ticks that box.
I agree with you. It would be a very risky thing to do, and a betrayal.
Have to agree.
I used to be involved in local politics and amateurs is the correct term, a large amount of politicians that get to the top do it through networking, they aren't even the ones selling their ideas to the population, that's done by anonymous supporters who actually talk to the common man/woman. The other thing is that if you get involved in politics you will quickly witness treachery, none of these people got there by being honest or loyal that's not how the system work.
Because the same issues in Scunthorpe aren’t the same as in Brescia. Farage and his mates have tainted the whole taking back control angle but the premise is very sound and simple to me. I am not an advocate of leaving the EU
Yep I agree with this and this is largely what the non-sound bite quoting leave voters say to me. And it’s a position I do understand and respect, however it’s not something you can change from outside.
I guess, but feck, second referendum keeps feeling like it's in touching distance, but never quite close enough. That has to be the best outcome.
Its the best outcome for me and you and probably a majority at this point.
2.30pm ish
5 billion aprox
The comment was going swimmingly until.the end.
Thanks Nigel
Sounds like an adequate exaggeration.
They are hoping to get close to 50, I believe. It's the will of the people!
I think there is a bigger difference between someone who went to a Comp in the West Midlands and someone who went to Eton than there are between me and someone who went to a state school in Italy. I know this because I work with people who went to a state school in Italy and I know people who went to a public school in the UK.
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This woman actually used the moon landing quote in reference to today's Brexit vote.
No wonder she hasn't spoken much before
