They are afraid of what might pop up in Brussels after the potential EU elections in the UK.
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Point taken. The question is whether anyone would be motivated to vote assuming we are still in on 23rd May.
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We need a general election.
Let Corbyn have a go of this Brexit thing, then we can all hunt Jews later.
I just want it sorted now. In or out. The businesses are suffering, Europe is facepalming, everyone is sick of it.
Let Corbyn have a go of this Brexit thing, then we can all hunt Jews later.
I just want it sorted now. In or out. The businesses are suffering, Europe is facepalming, everyone is sick of it.
It isn’t. Leaving the UK wouldn’t mean Scotland wouldn’t still trade with England, they clearly would. It’s not as though the 26 counties here don’t trade with England massively despite being independent for years.
People forget, MPs CHOSE to put the vote to the people, then CHOSE to trigger article 50 based on the result.
So when we have them screeching and reeing about not agreeing with this, not wanting that, the people didnt know what they were voting for etc.
These were the stupid feckers who decided to put it to the people in the forst place, then decided to kick it all off.
Its not the public that is to blame, its not uneducated white people from the former coal towns, or racists, or just ignorant zenophobes, or what ever other slur people want to throw at the people who voted to leave,
Its the MPs that are to blame 100%, for starting the process, for not being genuine in their voting intentions, and for the monkey shit flinging they have been indulging themselves in for the past two and a bit years.
If the UK leaves the EU and Scotland leaves the UK to join the EU, then yes it will still trade with the UK, the same way that the UK will still trade with the EU once it leaves. So in the case you state - it’s exactly the same as Brexit. It’s exactly the same argument that brexiteers like to come out with ‘its scaremongering, of course we’ll still trade with the EU’. Yes, but on what terms.
The rub is that 15% of Scottish jobs are completely dependent on the UK internal market, more specifically with England, this includes one of their two crown jewel industries, their financial sector, which mostly sells financial products to English customers. Naturally the majority of these jobs will come to England or other parts of the UK, why would they cut their profit margin to stay in Scotland where trading terms are worse because they are the EU? It would also be bad for business from a PR perspective for these banks to stay in Scotland and the EU.
Personally I think it would be good for England if Scotland went independent because there’d be a massive opportunity to get that financial sector here, I’d specifically like to see Manchester make a play for it.
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Have... have we just solved Brexit?
Omnishambles. That is all.
Shiteing himself in case no deal leads to a border and then a UI.
Thought I'd pop over to look at the Daily Mail, a rare imposed insanity but they are now calling the Hard Brexiters traitors for not backing May's deal.
But more to the point I now understand why people are so in favour of the Custom's Union motion.
It is incorrect , Goods will not be able to move freely between the UK and the EU with just a Custom's Union.
Without doubt, they really didn't think this through to begin with.
They could have secured a great future for the people they're meant to represent but the precious union comes first.
press love a decision tree these days
Especially when it's wrong.
Someone should send them to the Bulgaria-Turkey border.
Thought I'd pop over to look at the Daily Mail, a rare imposed insanity but they are now calling the Hard Brexiters traitors for not backing May's deal.
But more to the point I now understand why people are so in favour of the Custom's Union motion.
It is incorrect , Goods will not be able to move freely between the UK and the EU with just a Custom's Union.
I posted a picture of it a few pages back. How many millions more people are going to be even more mis-informed than they were.
It’s to help them as much as the public
So the options narrow.
1) Hard Brexit
2) Long delay assuming the EU agrees to it.
In the event of 2) Euro elections will have to include the UK and even to get there there will have to be more on offer than "Can we have more time to argue please?"
How about a GE and 2nd (possibly binding) referendum at the same time?
The options being 1) leave or stay and 2) If leave May's deal or no deal?
1) Hard Brexit
2) Long delay assuming the EU agrees to it.
In the event of 2) Euro elections will have to include the UK and even to get there there will have to be more on offer than "Can we have more time to argue please?"
How about a GE and 2nd (possibly binding) referendum at the same time?
The options being 1) leave or stay and 2) If leave May's deal or no deal?
That has nothing to do with movement of goods though?
From what i previously read that's to do with truck permits, goods are free to move. Surely no one foresees issues with truck controls between NI and the republic even if they're then going on to central europe?
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You know things are bad when Canada issues a travel advisory about you.
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https://travel.gc.ca/destinations/united-kingdom
As far as I know a customs union reduces the need for checks but doesn't eliminate them entirely. For that you need a harmony of standards between both sides, ie with the single market. Which is more along the lines of Labour's proposal, but I don't see that getting Tory support.
There are custom checks between Turkey and the EU on top of the necessity to check truck drivers permits and routes. Also that's not the issue, there is an actual border and infrastructures along it which is the problem that we have with the Irish border, if the turkish model was acceptable we wouldn't be in that situation.
The reason not to have a referendum over EVERY little issue is that Democracy allows for people who are more qualified than the general population (ie. politicians) to make the more complicated decisions.
But if they can't (ie. as in NOW), what other recourse is there over than another Referendum?
For terrorism ?
Brexit causes more terrorism.
I feel thats a reach if I'm honest.
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I think this call this being tenacious.
An MP who could have taken an easy route like the others but is trying to stand for the betterment of his constituents however ends up with this. This will be a loss to the Tories in the end.
I've always been a strong leaver, but I think it's time to settle this once and for all with another vote. We should be out of the EU this morning, but parliament hates democracy.
This time the vote should be Remain or Leave (with no deal), but this time the government must honor the result. Personally I think it's still 50/50 and could go either way.
What's the point pursuing a deal that leavers and remainers don't really want. It should be a "winner takes all vote", not a "peoples vote", we already had that.
This time the vote should be Remain or Leave (with no deal), but this time the government must honor the result. Personally I think it's still 50/50 and could go either way.
What's the point pursuing a deal that leavers and remainers don't really want. It should be a "winner takes all vote", not a "peoples vote", we already had that.
I sadly live in the highest leave vote area in Wales. I’ve spoken to numerous people who voted leave, some just brief conversations. The absolute overwhelming majority say they didn’t know what they were voting for, they still don’t care if we stay or leave, they’re not bothered by the outcome, it’s getting on their nerves.
Hardly any of these people have ever taken an interest in politics, never voted in a general election but got caught full up on the £350 nhs bus and the ‘excitement and drama’ the tv debates caused at the time.
If article50 was revoked most of these people wouldn’t bat an eyelid and just get on with their everyday lives, some would probably vote remain, some probably wouldn’t even bother voting again, they’re bored of it now.
I think It all goes to show the numbers we would see voting either way in another vote could be drastically different and people deserve the right to vote again.
Hardly any of these people have ever taken an interest in politics, never voted in a general election but got caught full up on the £350 nhs bus and the ‘excitement and drama’ the tv debates caused at the time.
If article50 was revoked most of these people wouldn’t bat an eyelid and just get on with their everyday lives, some would probably vote remain, some probably wouldn’t even bother voting again, they’re bored of it now.
I think It all goes to show the numbers we would see voting either way in another vote could be drastically different and people deserve the right to vote again.
You think No Deal is "winner takes all"? How bizarre.
People complain that a lot of people should have voted but I think a lot of people shouldn't have voted.
Parliament hates democracy? It was agreed MPs would have a say on the final agreement. What about the Vote Leave campaign who broke election spending rules?
The official Vote Leave campaign said there would be a deal before they left, no deal was not mentioned so for those banging on about that’s what people voted for is bollocks.