Yes absolutely.
It's more what he sees as the solution long term. Pogba or a new signing.
PL W FA Premier League
Manchester United 2:1 Watford
Post-match discussion
Sat, 30 March 2019
It's more what he sees as the solution long term. Pogba or a new signing.
To play a 4-4-2 diamond our full backs have to be a bit more offensively, Luke Shaw is good, but the right side has a lot of room for improvement.
Embarrassing performance at home after most of the team had a two weeks rest. I refuse to believe Watford midfield better likes of Matic, Herrera and Pogba. I will assume Matic and Herrera weren’t fit because what we saw today was a disgrace to Manchester United.
This is the problem(s) previous managers faced from this team and they dismantle everything then it became worse. Interesting to see how Ole handles it.
This is the problem(s) previous managers faced from this team and they dismantle everything then it became worse. Interesting to see how Ole handles it.
The players have dropped levels. We need signings to spice things up because it all looks a bit too comfortable.
Fantastic in the PSG game is OTT.
We showed great attitude and all, but we didn't really play well.
We could do a lot worse than Doucoure. Surprised Spurs haven't gone for him yet.
Is it fair to say that Pogba is our bellweather?
When he gives maximum effort, is crisp in passing, we seem to play well.
Despite a few moments of brilliance, Pogba was not good today.
We desperately need a talisman, a true captain like Keane or Robson who can will the side to maximum effort.
I remember a lot of SAF matches that had a similar feel, for a half, then we would come out and run our socks off. We had so many match winners in his side,we always seemed to pull through.
Hopefully Ole will figure this out.
When he gives maximum effort, is crisp in passing, we seem to play well.
Despite a few moments of brilliance, Pogba was not good today.
We desperately need a talisman, a true captain like Keane or Robson who can will the side to maximum effort.
I remember a lot of SAF matches that had a similar feel, for a half, then we would come out and run our socks off. We had so many match winners in his side,we always seemed to pull through.
Hopefully Ole will figure this out.
Just got back from the game and he ran the show from start to finish. Real box to box.
Was helped by having only Pogba who was playing though. Herrera and Matic were passing sideways and backwards, and more significantly to Watford shirts! Truly non existent midfield and a forward line in which only Rash showed urgency.
Thank god for our defence.
Oh and back to the original point, I've always felt Doucure would be brilliant here!
Form is temporary. What we've had is a good run of form. Finding permanent class is where the real work comes. What's good is that we never stopped trying to play football. We still need a few new players to get it right though, which is why we need a quality DoF to land them.
Yes, when we are in possession you are absolutely correct. However, that wasn't what I was talking about. But I get it...any chance to have a pop at Ashley Young, even if that wasn't what I was referring to. Not even close...sigh
More of like playing Pogba further up the pitch.Pogba is a pure #10 ( Baggio type ) Playmaker, he cannot defend for his life because his positional sense is very poor. He has never won a tackle because he is always 10 yards away from the ball. He is a liability against opposition who can play a bit.
Herrara and Matic recieved no protection from Pogba and Mata with United playing virtually with only 2 midfielders Vs Watford 4. No wonder we are being overrun by Watford and the like of Wolves.
My conclusion : Push Pogba up ( front 3 of Martial - Rashford - Pogba ), with a midfield trio of Matic - Fred - Herrara .
Holding up three fingers. Because looking at the table, we got three points today. With a relatively poor performance.
That said, Shaw had a mostly great game, Jones and Smalling were solid, and Rashford and Martial had their moments. For all the stick Young is getting, I though he was a workhorse. But Herrera and Pogba were invisible today, which was odd, and that was the difference.
I won't be surprised to see Lindelof, McTominay, and Fred back in against Wolves. Or maybe Barca. Remember: Ole is still trying to navigate CL in addition to PL. The problem here is combinations of players working together. Today's combination in midfield didn't work at all. There was almost no transition and for a counterattacking team, that won't fly. Our two goals were from a back making a cross in the opponents's side and from a straight up keeper failure in the box.
On the other hand, match stats show we ended up having the ball 51.5% of the time. Stats weren't nearly as lopsided as the game seemed. It's a weird team right now - half the time, they don't seem able to play with each other. Yet they come through anyway...
That said, Shaw had a mostly great game, Jones and Smalling were solid, and Rashford and Martial had their moments. For all the stick Young is getting, I though he was a workhorse. But Herrera and Pogba were invisible today, which was odd, and that was the difference.
I won't be surprised to see Lindelof, McTominay, and Fred back in against Wolves. Or maybe Barca. Remember: Ole is still trying to navigate CL in addition to PL. The problem here is combinations of players working together. Today's combination in midfield didn't work at all. There was almost no transition and for a counterattacking team, that won't fly. Our two goals were from a back making a cross in the opponents's side and from a straight up keeper failure in the box.
On the other hand, match stats show we ended up having the ball 51.5% of the time. Stats weren't nearly as lopsided as the game seemed. It's a weird team right now - half the time, they don't seem able to play with each other. Yet they come through anyway...
That wasn't much fun to watch. Hopefully this is just a result of players returning to fitness. The midfielders need to take a look at themselves this morning as we could easily have dropped points. Hoping for a big improvement in the next game!
Our players are exhausted, their fitness levels are far from the Ole's standard level, because we have not played a single season with high intensity for years. We need to finish this season as high in the table as we can, and with no World Cup or Euros this summer, we will, hopefully, have a good preseason and really go for it. Going full overwork-the-opposition mode now will result in us dropping like flies. Do not forget that Paul Pogba played in the longest World Cup possible, so he could also be feeling some lead in his legs.
Pochettino's Southampton. Remember Ferguson saying after that game that Southampton were the best opposition he had seen at OT all season.
Coaching matters.
Psg hangover
International break hangover
Hangover hangover.
Most of our players didn't play internationals.
Problem is we are playing midfielders who haven't performed in weeks when we have options like McTominay and Fred getting no minutes. Solskjaer has got his team selection wrong lately.[/QUOTE]
We do not keep the ball well. It does not matter what we do in pre season, we cannot have high intensity and pressing throughout a whole season when we only have 50% possession of the ball. The injuries and fatigue will repeat.
Pogba also ambles about defensively after the 70th minute mark of every game. He only switches on his intensity when he runs with the ball. Hilarious that people think Ander can keep up his initial intensity when Ole took over for a whole season by having a pre season with Solskjaer.
Below Average performance,but at this stage of the season it really is all about the results...Herrera and Matic were very poor,Pogba was below par.... Martial and Mata had one of those days and Young wasn’t at the races.Poor performance,but great result....Now need to get 3 more points on Tuesday night...
At this point in the season I'm really not too fussed about the performances. Points are all that matters.
I can imagine the players being absolutely knackered. Hopefully we'll see more of Fred and mctominay in the coming weeks and they'll be able to provide a fresh impetus.
I can imagine the players being absolutely knackered. Hopefully we'll see more of Fred and mctominay in the coming weeks and they'll be able to provide a fresh impetus.
Why are our players knackered? It seems we're just making excuses. The biggest issue with us over the last few years has been the peformances. Focus on peformances and focus on excellence. Being jammy will only bring notional short term gain.
If they were equally shocking in training, we can blame him for playing them instead of Fred, Pereira, and McTominay. But maybe Fred, Pereira, and McTominay were equally shocking in training, so who knows?
Becoming more and more Mourinho team with every passing game. Fitness was just an excuse, if that was the case it would be more of individual issue than collective one. Our weakness is rather than obvious, when oppo team press midfield shit themselves and can't even do simple thing like stringing 3 passes together. It happens way too often to us, how United' going to win anything if these set of players decide to turn off on random occasions.
It's interesting to see how will Ole address it
It's interesting to see how will Ole address it
It was big mistake to pick that midfield just after they returned from their injuries. We weren't desperate for herrera, matic even Pogba today. Pogba just played 180 min on the international duty- our only player to do so. The likes of Scott/Fred should've been left to keep their place whilst the other two build their fitness again. Andress freshness coming on at the end helped made some difference and we lacked this energy from the stArt.
Poor game. I guess only the results matter now though. And to conserve energy for the next games.
Making Watford look like Barca helped with practicing our counter-attacking style. We'll need it against Barca, City and Chelsea next month.
Making Watford look like Barca helped with practicing our counter-attacking style. We'll need it against Barca, City and Chelsea next month.
Very reminiscent of Mourinho this, picking the same players over and over again. Very worrying trend with Ole
Pogba is not going to like it
.Seems like new manager syndrome is over & we started to look like ourselves. I think if Mourinho never try to oppose Glazer / Woodward , he wouldn't be sacked.
Indeed. If ole starts to make favorites I'm afraid he won't be lasting in the job. Rooney led Van gaal to the sack. Matic and lukaku in particular led mourinho to the sack. Too many players returning at once should not be thrown in at once. Especially when their back ups had shown good form prior. 2 defeats and 1 terrible game since Matics return.
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Watford had an extra man in midfield and it showed.
But then again, our first goal was created by our fullback, in an area where they had sacrificed defensive coverage. Admittedly, it's difficult to argue that this was a conscious strategy, given how rarely we exploited this.
We were a bit tactically inflexible here, so it's not just the players to blame. I would have liked to see us switch to three at the back to have more control of the game, and to push the full backs further forward, but I can see why Ole would've been reluctant to do so given how it almost backfired against PSG.
The most important thing though is getting the three points. It may be fairer to judge any tactical shortcomings after Ole's had a full pre-season with the team.
But then again, our first goal was created by our fullback, in an area where they had sacrificed defensive coverage. Admittedly, it's difficult to argue that this was a conscious strategy, given how rarely we exploited this.
We were a bit tactically inflexible here, so it's not just the players to blame. I would have liked to see us switch to three at the back to have more control of the game, and to push the full backs further forward, but I can see why Ole would've been reluctant to do so given how it almost backfired against PSG.
The most important thing though is getting the three points. It may be fairer to judge any tactical shortcomings after Ole's had a full pre-season with the team.
Matic and Herrera need to be replaced. Not up to Utd standard.
I think LvG had a point in his interview. I really cannot say that we play any kind of exciting football since Oles arrival.
A bit better than before and with line-up decisions that make more sense and a more positive attitude but the major overall problems are still there.
I really hope Ole is the right person to change this mid term.
A bit better than before and with line-up decisions that make more sense and a more positive attitude but the major overall problems are still there.
I really hope Ole is the right person to change this mid term.
4 changes since last game and he's still picking the same players over and over again?
This was a poor performance, but with so many players recovering from injuries I'm satisfied
This exhaustion excuse is kinda lame tbh. Most of the players were injured pre Arsenal game for few weeks and just returned and many were called out of their national team during the break.
Seems quite amazing we didn't get four in the treble season where you had giggs scholes and beckham on top form amongst the four strikers.
We were awful - it was like a win scraped under Jose.
Now we've stopped pressing we look bang average again.
The midfield 3 were all particularly bad.
Now we've stopped pressing we look bang average again.
The midfield 3 were all particularly bad.
You missed the point, he is picking players regardless of form or whether they just got back recently from injury to play long minutes while forgetting about Fred
Pogba’s in Spain already
Not you too
Not the only one thinking this. I was in the Stretty and despite the positivity, it was what most people I spoke to thought.
Whether or not, Ole and the coaches wanted to try out a pre Barca tactic of counter attacking, it was awful seeing Watford run rings around our static midfield. Play like that against a Barca team that has far better players, and we'll lose the home game 4-0
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Score Predictions
456,17,21
- Man Utd win
- Watford win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 24% Man Utd 3:0 Watford
- 23% Man Utd 2:0 Watford
- 14% Man Utd 3:1 Watford
- 11% Man Utd 2:1 Watford
- 5% Man Utd 5:0 Watford
- 5% Man Utd 1:0 Watford
- 4% Man Utd 4:0 Watford
- 3% Man Utd 4:1 Watford
- 2% Man Utd 1:1 Watford
- 1% Man Utd 0:0 Watford
- 1% Man Utd 3:2 Watford
- 1% Man Utd 0:1 Watford
- 1% Man Utd 2:2 Watford
- 1% Man Utd 1:2 Watford
- 1% Man Utd 1:3 Watford
- 1% Man Utd 0:3 Watford
- 1% Man Utd 0:5 Watford
- 1% Man Utd 5:1 Watford
- 0% Man Utd 4:2 Watford
Match Stats
- Man Utd
- Watford
- Possession
- 52% 48%
- Shots
- 8 20
- Shots on Target
- 5 8
- Corners
- 3 5
- Fouls
- 14 9
Referee
Stuart Attwell
Man Utd Lineup
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replaced by Andreas Pereira
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replaced by Marcos Rojo
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