And that's where the CSDP comes into play. Currently the EU(members states combined) spend a lot more than other countries outside of the US but there is a lot of redundancy and lack of efficiency because every country does its thing on his own. NATO and your pov are the main reason behind it, it encourages a divide to conquer logic and allows a much less spendy Russia to actually match the output.
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You might not have, but you should have. Sounds very fash, even if it hurts his feelings for it to be pointed out.
Fascist Smashist. Not interested in labels. I want solutions that have minimal effects on sustainability & the environment. Increasing the population isn’t one of them.
See that's just it. It's not worth it.
A year ago I was all about trying to see things from " the other sides" point of view and involving the less informed but it doesn't work. World events over the last few years has shown us that pussyfooting around idiots hasn't helped inform and educate - it has only served to drag the rest of us down to their level of discourse.
Idiots don't want to learn, they just want to argue and feel relevant. Engaging with their nonsense only distracts us from the actually bad feckers like Mogg who are profiting from pulling their strings.
We need to go back to calling idiots idiots and dismissing them back to the periphery when they belong.
Also, I believe that at least 50% of the posters in here who use Leaver arguments but say they voted Remain or didn't vote are lying and as such, I trust none of you.
Nobody give this guy an infinity gauntlet.
Yeah it's clearly the redcafe's fault that fascists get called out as fascists.
At this point I'm convinced most brexiteers simply don't understand the words they use. It's the only explanation.
To be fair death engineering is a great euphemism and a clever way to use words.
So anybody got alternative solutions then to me the fascist?
Or we going to keep building housing & new workplaces on green belt in the medium term to accommodate the expanding population needed to pull ourselves out of the shit?
Or we going to keep building housing & new workplaces on green belt in the medium term to accommodate the expanding population needed to pull ourselves out of the shit?
Well this thread has certainly taken a few turns over the last few pages.
So what about this brexit thing, any good?
Give low skilled jobs and care jobs to machines so fewer humans are required
The last time some bloke invaded Russia for "living room".
Come back this time next week.
Your youth unemployment rate is in the double digits and that’s what you think is a good idea?
I don't think it's a problem to start with. Higher density leads to higher average wealth, better services, more opportunities. The solution is better infrastructure to cope with the strains. People think the services are strained because of immigration when it's obvious the current strain was designed (by the same designers who manufactured brexit, btw).
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Increased investment in the NHS, universities, infrastructure (railways, roads etc) and renewable power supplies in order to generate both high and low skilled jobs.
Do you think leaving will reduce immigration then?
The government has had every chance to curb non-EU immigration, but hasn't. What will change if we leave the EU?
Increased infrastructure? On brownfield? It’s limited. My town is building 13k houses on brownfield, rest on green belt.
What about things like Water supply? Occasional hose pipe bans now, is that going to get any better with more & more people?
What about things like Water supply? Occasional hose pipe bans now, is that going to get any better with more & more people?
I reckon we'll reach the peak global population within the next 100 years anyway. The solutions are already in place, family planning, better education etc... and the death rate will eventually surpass the birth rate.
Your proposed solution, as far as I can discern, is we leave the EU and suddenly immigration will drop? Or if that isn't it what are you proposing?
Water companies should be held to task better for their maintenance of water pipes.
Needs to drop to levels that maintain not increase the population. That’s what I’m proposing. More control over quotas we let in.
okay fair enough, but what is it about our government that makes you think they'll do that if we leave the EU? They've had plenty of chances to curb immigration over the past decade, but haven't. What's gonna change?
But see what you're saying doesn't really make sense. Essentially your main reason for leaving the EU, as stated above, is to reduce immigration and control it (which you already do) to stop the population growing, but trends are already showing that leaving the EU isn't going to stop it, or even in any way reduce it. So what's the point of leaving the EU if it's not going to give you what you want and just cause, as you said yourself, the economy to get hammered?
We don’t have full control of (EU) immigration because of freedom of movement. A caveat (of sorts) was pointed out earlier, but even that hasn’t been exercised, so I have no faith in the UK government suddenly changing policy if remaining.
Got to go now, sorry. Not bailing out of the debate, honest!
The thing is, from my perspective I know that your last paragraph is factually incorrect, which is such a clear illustration of why your entire attitude to resolving this political situation leads to incorrect conclusions and thus is unlikely to lead to incorrect solutions.
When you're educating these lying idiots on their ignorance, there's no reason they'll believe you have a clearer understanding of things, when you're displaying your own ignorance by telling them that they voted (or didn't) for reasons other than they say.
You can't know why I didn't vote, or whether I voted for Leave. You can only trust your own judgment. On the other hand I do know that I didn't vote, and why. So I can see conclusively that your grasp of the nuance of these issues is not correct. Your approach to this discussion puts you at a disadvantage by default, as it's based on assumptions you can't verify without the other person's help, which you refuse on principle.
I don't think my grasp of the nuance of these issues is correct either, for what it's worth. This isn't me saying I'm right and you're wrong. It's just me saying that you're wrong, because it's a factual question I have direct knowledge of.
It's up to you what to do with that. I don't think you're an idiot for not believing me, and I don't think your viewpoint is illegitimate for making that error. If I was to call you an idiot for that misjudgement, it might be worth considering how that would influence you.
But it is the truth: on this one thing, you are entirely wrong. If you are similarly wrong about the other things that underpin your overall mindset, then I guarantee you it does not benefit you or your cause to shout about it to people you perceive to be idiots, liars, racists and all the rest. It's your choice on whether to listen to the truth, or to believe your own superior judgment of the world. I'd be very surprised if refusing to listen to people with a different opinion to yours, deligitimising their view and demonising them would be a successful strategy to achieve your stated goal.
Also, I think it's worth reviewing what led to you the conclusion I made a Leaver argument. It's certainly not how I would interpret things. The very fact I'm not pro Remain in a conclusive way makes you think I'm pro Leave. As soon as you detect I'm not on your side, I must be on the other side. I'm sorry but the world is not that simple.
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I am a staunch remainer and I agree with a lot of what @Strachans Cigar has said over the last couple of pages
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You could be more specific. Which bits do you agree with?
I think that overpopulation is a serious problem in the UK, and to an extent the rest of Europe. I think euthanasia or other forms of population control would be a sensible idea at this stage (within reason), similarly I don’t have any issue with bringing back the death penalty.
None of the above is mutually exclusive with being pro-EU as far as I’m concerned.
Euthanasia for who exactly?
I'm very much hoping that Remainder is a term to describe Leavers who don't give a feck about NI and Scotland...
Factually incorrect? I said that I thought at least 50% of people with similar opinions to yourself were lying about how they voted - you could easily be among the other 50% so I'm not sure how that "fact" backs up the other 280,000 words you have written on the subject.
You should write shorter posts - there will be less to backtrack on when you've grasped the wrong end of the stick.
I don’t really have a list, to be honest. But we could start with something along the lines of “anyone who volunteers for it and is medically evaluated as being of sound mind”
Euthanasia for who exactly?
I still fail to see why any of this really relates to Brexit, mind.
Less EU people will come after brexit but they’ll be replaced by more Asians, Africans and South Americans.
On the euthanasia debate - there is a vast difference between "forced euthanasia" of the elderly and infirm and for example, the Dutch understanding as assisted suicide and termination of life upon request.
A sick person having the right to choose to end their own life is a very difference discussion to forcibly killing off old and sick people to solve over-population. Anyone advocating for the second option needs to go and have a sit down for themselves.
A sick person having the right to choose to end their own life is a very difference discussion to forcibly killing off old and sick people to solve over-population. Anyone advocating for the second option needs to go and have a sit down for themselves.
The elderly, Liverpool fans, people who walk down the street staring at their phones instead of looking where they're going.
Euthanasia for who exactly?
Over populations is a problem everywhere.
The funny thing is that in the UK you see teenage mums with a bunch of kids in buggies, more so than other EU countries imho. Sex education is the key
I entirely agree. I’ve gotten to the age now where not only have most of my friends got married and had kids, but that several of them are now having/trying for their second! (I’m early 30s).
Sex education, and also I would be trying to make some serious changes to the child welfare system to try not to incentivise people to have more than one child.