Do any of you condescending, self righteous remainers understand why people with other opinions to your own, despise you to the core?
That’s fine, it’s mutual.
Do any of you condescending, self righteous remainers understand why people with other opinions to your own, despise you to the core?
Didn't need to vote leave, and subsequently leave the EU, to fix that...Anyway. Net migration of around circa 200k per year I don’t think is sustainable. So I want controlled EU and non EU immigration.
Hence me voting to leave the EU.
I’m clearly not saying NO immigration, just enough to keep our population pretty much as it is for environmental and sustainability reasons.
That’s it basically. I’m outta here
I see people are homing in on the mention of euthanasia. Was a suggestion but people want to make it a bigger issue. Fine, I was just putting it out there as a little something we should be looking at given we have an aging population. Every little helps and all that.
Obviously my views on that are influenced by my own experience of end stage dementia and seeing a room full of similar patients. Maybe you should look the symptoms and signs of end stage dementia up, then you may see where I’m coming from, before judging.
I’m not saying, “65 year old Doris has fell over and broke her hip, quick get the death needle out!”
Just so we are all clear on that.
Anyway. Net migration of around circa 200k per year I don’t think is sustainable. So I want controlled EU and non EU immigration.
Hence me voting to leave the EU.
I’m clearly not saying NO immigration, just enough to keep our population pretty much as it is for environmental and sustainability reasons.
That’s it basically. I’m outta here
I dont want to wind anyone up but too late i guess. So you understand other peoples opinions that differ to yours? Simple question.This seems like the equivalent of ASTD (attention seeking twat disorder) for posts. Why don't you just respond to a specific post, instead of trying to wind up most of the posters?
Not as dramatic as project 'The end of.the world is nigh'.Haha how dramatic
good oneI dont want to wind anyone up but too late i guess. So you understand other peoples opinions that differ to yours? Simple question.
Likewise. The point in staying is?It's noticeable how for a good while now pro-Brexit arguments have basically been predicated on complaints against the other side as opposed to any coherent or logical argument in favour of Brexit.
Likewise. The point in staying is?
Where is your historic data to prove this?To avoid the economic ruin which would be brought by a no deal Brexit, and the pointlessness and loss of influence that would come with any of the other variations.
Where is your historic data to prove this?
@Strachans Cigar could you answer my question about why you think leaving the EU will help control immigration?
It's noticeable how for a good while now pro-Brexit arguments have basically been predicated on complaints against the other side as opposed to any coherent or logical argument in favour of Brexit.
By stopping freedom of movement from EU countries to the UK
Re: non EU immigration, that obviously needs to be looked at and re evaluated.
I’d expect quotas to be flexible & change at frequent intervals to maintain a preferred approximate population level.
Are you really, seriously, asking me that?I dont want to wind anyone up but too late i guess. So you understand other peoples opinions that differ to yours? Simple question.
And all the remainers have been calling everyone else a racist for 3 years and wondering why the polls are barely flickering. Maybe Brwned was right in all his smugness
That doesn't explain anything. We are capable of stopping/reducing non-EU immigration already, but don't. We're capable of throttling EU immigration to some extent, but don't.
Why would having full control of EU immigration make the government suddenly choose to stop/reduce it? Every indication suggests they won't. So what will change?
Hold up, aren't you Danish anyway? So I'm not sure you could have voted, even if you wanted to? Happy to be proven wrong if that isn't the case...
We don’t have full control of (EU) immigration because of freedom of movement. A caveat (of sorts) was pointed out earlier, but even that hasn’t been exercised, so I have no faith in the UK government suddenly changing policy if remaining.
Got to go now, sorry. Not bailing out of the debate, honest!
But see what you're saying doesn't really make sense. Essentially your main reason for leaving the EU, as stated above, is to reduce immigration and control it (which you already do) to stop the population growing, but trends are already showing that leaving the EU isn't going to stop it, or even in any way reduce it. So what's the point of leaving the EU if it's not going to give you what you want and just cause, as you said yourself, the economy to get hammered?
Do you think leaving will reduce immigration then?
The government has had every chance to curb non-EU immigration, but hasn't. What will change if we leave the EU?
That doesn't explain anything. We are capable of stopping/reducing non-EU immigration already, but don't. We're capable of throttling EU immigration to some extent, but don't.
Why would having full control of EU immigration make the government suddenly choose to stop/reduce it? Every indication suggests they won't. So what will change?
Because we would no longer be members of the EU.
If, after leaving, the Lab/Con sitting government don’t lower those levels tangibly as would reasonably be expected after leaving the EU, maybe the anti government/establishment protest vote would then increase, until somebody like Farage ends up as PM. Haha.
Then again, maybe not. We’re British. We put up with a lot before getting throughly p*ssed off enough about things to do something about them don’t we?
I'm not following your reasoning, sorry. If being out of the EU fixes it, then why has non-EU immigration been so high all these years?
So if immigration is your only point of contention, and you were hoping for government to try to solve it. Knowing that the EU were not stopping you/them, why vote to leave? Ignoring the potential upheaval....Ive not claimed it totally fixes it.
Already said we need to look at levels of non-EU immigration too & re-evaluate that process?
The sharp spike of non-EU migrants coming here since Brexit (due to the falling number of EU migrants) shows the government don't want to bring down the numbers at all, even if they're comfortable demonising and scapegoating migrants.
So you voted for financial hardship to fix a problem that won't be fixed. Okay.Ive not claimed it totally fixes it.
Already said we need to look at levels of non-EU immigration too & re-evaluate that process?
Ive not claimed it totally fixes it.
Already said we need to look at levels of non-EU immigration too & re-evaluate that process?
So you voted for financial hardship to fix a problem that won't be fixed. Okay.
Why won’t it be fixed? If we are dictating the rules of entry, then I don’t share that view.
Anyway, spent way too much time on this thread during the course of today, I’m off, so we’ll agree to disagree
Over populations is a problem everywhere.
The funny thing is that in the UK you see teenage mums with a bunch of kids in buggies, more so than other EU countries imho. Sex education is the key
I entirely agree. I’ve gotten to the age now where not only have most of my friends got married and had kids, but that several of them are now having/trying for their second! (I’m early 30s).
Sex education, and also I would be trying to make some serious changes to the child welfare system to try not to incentivise people to have more than one child.
The feck is everyone talking about? Europe's problem is not overpopulation - the EU's birth rate is 1.6. Replacement rate is 2.1.Population growth is a concern for most countries. But I rather doubt either Euthanasia or the death penalty is an effective control for population growth. It is, surely, a miniscule number of people/families that would rather be euthanised? And the death penalty would hardly make a dent also, even if you kill all the inmates currently serving life sentences in the UK (<10k).
This is not to say it is not fine if you support these positions from a moral/political perspective.
Ok forecasts, no historic data. Weather forecast for today was great. Turned oit cloudy and a bit chilly actually.There have been a ton of studies done on the impact of Brexit and how it'll stifle the economy.
Yes, yes i am.Are you really, seriously, asking me that?
Ok forecasts, no historic data. Weather forecast for today was great. Turned oit cloudy and a bit chilly actually.
If you look at the graphic @Silva posted above, how else could you interpret a sizable chunk of leave voters wishing for changes such as return to empirial units?
Second bolded part: Not sure anyone has argued that equivalence.
Ok forecasts, no historic data. Weather forecast for today was great. Turned oit cloudy and a bit chilly actually.