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Mino Raiola non-appreciation thread 2017-2018
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Well said Scholesy and Mike Phelan.
I so wanted Pogba to be United's shining star when he signed for us. I thought we'd got our own galactico and really wanted him to do well for us. Thing is, he's been nothing but a disappointment. Prior to him, United players didn't get dropped because of a bad attitude, one or minor blips aside. He is consistently below par, and due to ability/injury. His application really is suspect. There is no greater example of the derby against Citeh. He stank in the first half, yet was a star in the second half. Why? Attitude, not ability.
Good captains lead by example, and inspire those around them to greater things as well. Well from this display he's just taking the piss. I think he should never have been given that armband. What example is he setting the youngsters at the club?
That said, if you consider the best football teams, they have captains all over the pitch, and this one certainly doesn't.
Thing is, with the attitude he's got on show, what other club would want him? With a heavy heart, I say get rid of Pogba while we still can.
I so wanted Pogba to be United's shining star when he signed for us. I thought we'd got our own galactico and really wanted him to do well for us. Thing is, he's been nothing but a disappointment. Prior to him, United players didn't get dropped because of a bad attitude, one or minor blips aside. He is consistently below par, and due to ability/injury. His application really is suspect. There is no greater example of the derby against Citeh. He stank in the first half, yet was a star in the second half. Why? Attitude, not ability.
Good captains lead by example, and inspire those around them to greater things as well. Well from this display he's just taking the piss. I think he should never have been given that armband. What example is he setting the youngsters at the club?
That said, if you consider the best football teams, they have captains all over the pitch, and this one certainly doesn't.
Thing is, with the attitude he's got on show, what other club would want him? With a heavy heart, I say get rid of Pogba while we still can.
We did it with DDG for a bit, was that under LVG? And then DDG hadn’t made such comments. He was smart enough to stay out of the spotlight. I’d be more than happy for Mou to state in press conference before mondays match that Paul is not in the squad because, as he said himself, his frame of mind is not right.
Though the club probably wouldn’t sanction a write-off like that, i’d be happy to leave him in the reserves for as long as he needs to wise up. This kind of shit cannot stand.
Didn’t we establish that this is fake?
Absolutely gobsmacked that people here think Pogba had nothing to do with those tweets.
100% this. You can count on one hand the number of genuinely top class games he's had for us. Get a not-so-talented but actually consistently good midfielder and we'd be a million miles better off.
I rate Pogba and really wanted him to do well; but it's hard after this. Ferguson truly was a genius: spotted trouble with these two from a mile off.
Scholes and trees eh ?
Is that a real quote? Find it hard to believe that Scholes will get down into a word for word argument with a greedy agent
You think this is Pogba angling for a new contract? He doesn't deserve his current one.
You seriously think Raiola is saying and doing all of these things without Pogba's consent or knowledge? Maybe in your imagination the club may hold more power but that is counter to reality. Tell me, in recent history how have things ended up for the club when the player has openly declared a wish to leave? Especially in Pogba's case, he was a world-record signing that was meant to be a long-term investment. You think the club will let an expensive player like that go to waste if he continues to kick up a fuss?
I never said that now did I ? Ffs you imagine things that are said and you think Manchester United is in a weak position, I'm lost for words when it comes to such naivety.
Best recent example is Marco Verratti whose agent did more or less if not worse than Mino Raiola to shop him to Barca and with Verratti being seriously interested and wishful to leave PSG.
You wanna know how the whole thing finished ? Verratti fired him (after being in 100% agreement of what his agent was doing to engineer a move away from PSG), made a public apology to PSG and its fans and extended his contract. So yeah football Raiola is defo not holding Man United hostage
If PSG, a smaller club in stature and prestige than Man Utd can do it, I think Man Utd can do it too....
If Pogba had 1 year left on his contract and refused to sign another one I'd get you but this isn't the case so you're completely wrong. Man United still hold all the cards at the moment.
What's the likelihood of the same thing happening here? 1.000.000 to 1? I'd certainly like to see that.I never said that now did I ? Ffs you imagine things that are said and you think Manchester United is in a weak position, I'm lost for words when it comes to such naivety.
Best recent example is Marco Verratti whose agent did more or less if not worse than Mino Raiola to shop him to Barca and with Verratti being seriously interested and wishful to leave PSG. You wanna know how the whole thing finished ? Verratti fired him (after being in 100% agreement of what his agent was doing to engineer a move away from PSG), made a public apology to PSG and its fans and extended his contract. So yeah football Raiola is defo not holding Man United hostage
If PSG, a smaller club in stature and prestige than Man Utd can do it, I think Man Utd can do it too....
If Pogba had 1 year left on his contract and refused to sign another one I'd get you but this isn't the case so you're completely wrong. Man United still hold all the cards at the moment.
Like a famous footballer once said "Only God knows". Tbh it's unlikely that the same thing happens to the same degre because Raiola has an excellent relationship with Pogba and he contributes into making him richer. The point is that Manchester United is still holding the cards at the moment but with each passing season, Pogba's (and Raiola) power grows.
Yh I'm not saying other agents think differently. It's clearly a job where they are in it for the money.
As for players saying that, of course they do... player power is at it's peak and if they want something they want something immediately, usually with no respect for their employer.
Yes, but he's got 4 years left on his deal which means their power is limited to doing things that will only tarnish his image, whether that is Pogba declaring his mentality isn't right or his agent making a fool of the pair of them on social media. The only positive thing he can do for himself right now is to perform and try to improve. The club are unlikely to sell him for anything that makes them look worse than they already do, and there is hardly a club out there willing to spend the money that allows Ed and co to save face. Tricky situation.
I won't be surprised that things go back to a normalish way when the transfer window is closed.
Come to think of it, this is all because the transfer window in England closes earlier. Players can get easily unsettled now, more than before
Shitbag hahahaha
I'd pay to watch Fergie give this fat goblin pizza merchant a dressing down
...you said Raiola doesn't work for the club which is true but completely ignore the fact that he has direct ties to Pogba who does and instructs his agent to do as he wants. So yeah, you are the one ignoring the facts and taking a very simplistic view of things. Furthermore, nice of you to give an example of Verratti but there will always be exceptions. But why do you ignore other players life Mahrez, Coutinho, Dembele, and even Ronaldo just to mention a few all of whom highlight the fact that players, especially "superstars", hold significant power? Did these players have just 1 year left on their contracts? You are just delusional in thinking that United is attractive to every single player based on our history. The truth is that money holds the most power and it doesn't matter if PSG is "a smaller club in stature" as you state, if they offer a player significantly more money he will want to leave.I never said that now did I ? Ffs you imagine things that are said and you think Manchester United is in a weak position, I'm lost for words when it comes to such naivety.
Best recent example is Marco Verratti whose agent did more or less if not worse than Mino Raiola to shop him to Barca and with Verratti being seriously interested and wishful to leave PSG.
You wanna know how the whole thing finished ? Verratti fired him (after being in 100% agreement of what his agent was doing to engineer a move away from PSG), made a public apology to PSG and its fans and extended his contract. So yeah football Raiola is defo not holding Man United hostage
If PSG, a smaller club in stature and prestige than Man Utd can do it, I think Man Utd can do it too....
If Pogba had 1 year left on his contract and refused to sign another one I'd get you but this isn't the case so you're completely wrong. Man United still hold all the cards at the moment.
I could have easily found other players, I just wanted to give you the best example. Wtf is wrong is you, how is that equaling to me ignoring the different other situation. An example is what it is, it ain't a general rule. I have never said football club hold all the power all the time, just that Manchester United, in this current situatin does and that's it. Manchester United isn't being held hostage by Raiola when it comes to Pogba, if you think so, you're out of your mind. No, you'd be a fecking idiot for thinking that.
I could have also given you Lewandowksi as a good example of a player angling for moves but his club standing firm(among many others every season for decades). I'm not going through all the examples proving or counter proving my point but it doesn't mean I am ignoring them
I'm not trying to establish one general rule, just talking about this case with Man United. Raiola does what an agent, trying to stir shit up but the club still holds all the card. If we decide to keep Pogba, there is feck all he can do about it.I have said feck all about United being attractive or not so please what the feck are you exactly arguing about ? Since when was attraction even a topic even mentioned ?
About those clubs you mentioned, every single one of them held the cards. Liverpool handled their situation perfectly, to a point to get a ridiculous fee for Coutinho after having kept him for a few more months. Dortmund couldn't believe their luck Barca were willing to pay much otherwise they would have happily kept him. Leicester had to sell because they managed to squeeze a few more months of Mahrez and his value would have dropped.
None of those players have the same number of years left that Pogba has on his contract so the more years you have, the better the position the club in terms of the situation
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I'm an opposition fan but Pogba is being treated absolutely unfairly
How is he being treated unfairly?
He is being paid a ridiculous wage to put in consistent performances which he has never done at the club, he said to the press that "he can't speak or he'll be fined" and that his "attitude wasn't right", his agent (who he employs) starts talking shit all over Twitter, and you think he's being treated unfairly?
Most fans just want him to do what he is paid to do. Just knuckle down and play good football (on a regular basis). If he did that, there wouldn't be much criticism.
What is your viewpoint? Do you think he's played well over the past 2 seasons? Do you think him and his agent are being unfairly treated? Genuinely interested to know.
Friends and fans on Scholes, should not use Raiola's words to throw s**t at Pogba.
Not everything Raiola says is signed off by Pogba.
The He needs to sack Raiola, that fat doughnut has pretty much made the fans and ex players hate him even more. That fat feck is ruining his ManUnited career (although at this point, that is exactly what Raiola wants).
Things definitely don't work like that. You just don't go about firing powerful agents just because he is mouthing off once or twice.
Just because players mouth not so nice things, the club doesn't fire them immediately. Contracts are in place so that such stuff do not happen that easily and is a costly affair.
And in some cases you give them new contracts after waving the "power stick" and undermining the club in interviews.
Doubt it. That was agreed with Juve because Pogba was a free agent and Riola brokered the deal. He negotiated a sell on % for himself.
He'll get his agents fee with the transfer.. and a cut of whatever Pogba gets as a signing on bonus. So yeah, he will make a lot of money.
Eddy need to sit down with Paul and tell him to shut his agent's mouth up. They can give him a warning, if something like that happens again and jeopardize the image of the club then Pogba will fined.
Haha. I waited for this. Well deserved for that twat.
Now FIFA and UEFA need to navigate their own corruption and get a handle on those skyrocketing agent fees.
Now FIFA and UEFA need to navigate their own corruption and get a handle on those skyrocketing agent fees.
The ban doesn’t cover all of the transfer window, and he will just get someone else to be the face of any transfer. This literally has no effect on him.
Credibility? I see an outstanding talent like de Ligt go for his services. Hopefully this will put a lot of people off.
From the players perspective does credibility matter when he can get you a better contract at a better club than anyone else? Quite frankly are any of these agents credible?
Kill joy. You're probably right. Coming at me with that logic.
I would love it if he was run out of the game! But clubs and fans aren’t the clients, players are, and bloody hell he deliveres for his clients, he’s one of the best.Kill joy. You're probably right. Coming at me with that logic.
Again with the logic. You couldn't just let me have this one
I do hope though we stop dealing with him altogether. Can't imagine Ole and Phelan enjoying dealing with him. Though I'm sure Ed is happy signing players to send shivers down people's spines.
Ok - the ban will be the start of his downfall, and all of his clients will have left him by July... :-)Again with the logic. You couldn't just let me have this one
I do hope though we stop dealing with him altogether. Can't imagine Ole and Phelan enjoying dealing with him. Though I'm sure Ed is happy signing players to send shivers down people's spines.
The profile of player OGS seems to want doesn’t really align with Raiola’s clients - but let’s see if that’s the case. You could however, argue that Zlatan and Pogba (both his clients, I believe) have been the biggest successes at Utd post Fergie?!
Great effort
Yeah, Zlatan was Jose's best acquisition in my view. Not least because of his mentality and character. But Raiola has no more Zlatans, as there is but the one.