Is that all you have? He gets constantly selected by top managers at club and national team level. Which other player at United would most likely score more goals with Lingards minutes? Who is Lingard holding back?
Those managers being fired has nothing to do with anything. LVG and Mourinho are among the most successful managers in world football and had every chance to replace Lingard. Solskjaer rates him too and so does the England coach. What do you say to that? You have nothing really. Greenwood is a youth superstar and an unknown quantity in first team football. You're clutching at straws. So please tell me which other first team player would 'score more goals' with Lingard's minutes.
1. Most posters are biased against Lingard for reasons that go beyond his on pitch performances. Mata for instance has piss poor numbers but as a fan darling escapes the levels of criticism being thrown at Lingard. A player like Lingard has to perform 200% better than a golden boy like Mata to recieve any kind of praise. Greenwood has done nothing in the first team and I hope posters like you heaping so much premature praise take it easy if he doesn't immediately rise up to your unrealistic and lofty expectations.I think you'll find alot of posters would agree with me regarding Greenwood>Lingard
Do you watch football and judge footballers on how highly they're rated by their managers?
Lingard's output is awful for a starting attacker at a elite level club, do you agree?
Exactly.@Loublaze common mate. 10 assist in your whole career for an attacker is absolutely awful. He's 26. Alexander Arnold has more assists just this season from right back than Lingard has in his whole career. It's pitiful.
Arnold is a fullback. How are ours doing in this respect? Lingard can be replaced with a better player but who should be taking his minutes in this current United squad? Our entire attack is underwhelming. His assists record is far from impressive but he does have his goals in big games at least to make up for that.@Loublaze common mate. 10 assist in your whole career for an attacker is absolutely awful. He's 26. Alexander Arnold has more assists just this season from right back than Lingard has in his whole career. It's pitiful.
Moving goalposts? Can you answer the question? Greenwood is an unknown quantity in first team football is he not?Doesnt your back hurt from moving those goal posts?
Laughable first paragraph.1. Most posters are biased against Lingard for reasons that go beyond his on pitch performances. Mata for instance has piss poor numbers but as a fan darling escapes the levels of criticism being thrown at Lingard. A player like Lingard has to perform 200% better than a golden boy like Mata to recieve any kind of praise. Greenwood has done nothing in the first team and I hope posters like you heaping so much premature praise take it easy if he doesn't immediately rise up to your unrealistic and lofty expectations.
2. I don't watch football that way, but it still says something that he consistently gets picked no matter who is in charge don't you think? Lingard has usurped and outperformed big signings like Di Maria, Depay and Sanchez at United.
3. His output could be better, but again, name one other attacker who has been good this season. Origi has poor numbers at Liverpool despite his recent goals that have kept them in title hunts. Do you think his overall output is deserving of an elite club? If Lingard is replaced with a better player I won't complain, but he has his uses and again has the most goals against our top rivals in recent seasons.
When was Mata a golden boy? Read his thread. Everyone moans about his lack of pace or physical attributes. He gets pushed off the ball. Lingard is supposed to be fast but he’s slow as feck in reality and has the same strength as Mata.1. Most posters are biased against Lingard for reasons that go beyond his on pitch performances. Mata for instance has piss poor numbers but as a fan darling escapes the levels of criticism being thrown at Lingard. A player like Lingard has to perform 200% better than a golden boy like Mata to recieve any kind of praise. Greenwood has done nothing in the first team and I hope posters like you heaping so much premature praise take it easy if he doesn't immediately rise up to your unrealistic and lofty expectations.
2. I don't watch football that way, but it still says something that he consistently gets picked no matter who is in charge don't you think? Lingard has usurped and outperformed big signings like Di Maria, Depay and Sanchez at United.
3. His output could be better, but again, name one other attacker who has been good this season. Origi has poor numbers at Liverpool despite his recent goals that have kept them in title hunts. Do you think his overall output is deserving of an elite club? If Lingard is replaced with a better player I won't complain, but he has his uses and again has the most goals against our top rivals in recent seasons.
Laughable how? LVG dropped Di Maria and Depay for Lingard and Ashley fecking Young. Lingard has scored more big goals than Origi. Who else in Lingard's position deserves to be playing ahead of him in this United team?Laughable first paragraph.
Lingard has better performances than Di Maria.
Di Maria had 14 assists in first and only season in England. Lingard has 10 in his entire career.
Lingard has better performances than Sanchez and Depay. Obviously. Those two were the worst players ever to wear a utd shirt. If that's the barometer for judging Lingard, then you are going places mate.
How many times did Origi start for Liverpool? Origi at least performs when called upon. Lingard doesn't.
Yes he is a fullback, so why does a 20 year old fullback whose had like one season under his belt got more assists already in his career than your favourite Lingard? Isn’t that bad on Lingards part?Arnold is a fullback. How are ours doing in this respect? Lingard can be replaced with a better player but who should be taking his minutes in this current United squad? Our entire attack is underwhelming. His assists record is far from impressive but he does have his goals in big games at least to make up for that.
Moving goalposts? Can you answer the question? Greenwood is an unknown quantity in first team football is he not?
Solskjaer on Lingard: "Jesse gives us that extra bit of energy, a change of tempt in the last third, he has got loads of energy, pace, quick combinations.When was Mata a golden boy? Read his thread. Everyone moans about his lack of pace or physical attributes. He gets pushed off the ball. Lingard is supposed to be fast but he’s slow as feck in reality and has the same strength as Mata.
Biased against him? Go look at his stats. There’s the reason. Go look at overall performances since he’s been in the first team. I wouldn’t care if he acted like a clown if he was banging in the goals and assists.
I never said he's my favorite, and our player of the season Shaw is a fullback who's never been that productive. Only Pogba has assists in double figures for United this seasonYes he is a fullback, so why does a 20 year old fullback whose had like one season under his belt got more assists already in his career than your favourite Lingard? Isn’t that bad on Lingards part?
You didn’t ask that, or your subsequent question of first team. You asked who is he holding back. Greenwood is a valid answer. But even incorporating your insistence that greenwood is unknown, unknown is better than knowing the shit Lingard will provide.Arnold is a fullback. How are ours doing in this respect? Lingard can be replaced with a better player but who should be taking his minutes in this current United squad? Our entire attack is underwhelming. His assists record is far from impressive but he does have his goals in big games at least to make up for that.
Moving goalposts? Can you answer the question? Greenwood is an unknown quantity in first team football is he not?
Why are you bringing Shaw and Mata into this? I don’t care for them just like I don’t care for most of this squad.I never said he's my favorite, and our player of the season Shaw is a fullback who's never been that productive. Only Pogba has assists in double figures for United this season
How is he holding back a 17 year old who has just been added to the first team? If Greenwood takes his chances he will earn a spot next season. Its so premature of you to include him here. The truth is you and your fellow Lingard haters cannot name another established first teamer who would autamically improve on Lingards numbers if given his minutes.You didn’t ask that, or your subsequent question of first team. You asked who is he holding back. Greenwood is a valid answer. But even incorporating your insistence that greenwood is unknown, unknown is better than knowing the shit Lingard will provide.
Like I said, moving goal posts.How is he holding back a 17 year old who has just been added to the first team? If Greenwood takes his chances he will earn a spot next season. Its so premature of you to include him here. The truth is you and your fellow Lingard haters cannot name another established first teamer who would autamically improve on Lingards numbers if given his minutes.
Im bringing them as examples because now we have posters comparing Lingard to Arnold, a fullback, and Mata plays a similar role to Lingard but his numbers are just as underwhelming but he doesnt get anything close to the criticism Lingard gets and you know itWhy are you bringing Shaw and Mata into this? I don’t care for them just like I don’t care for most of this squad.
All I know is if we starting Lingard or he is a part of our future then we will be in trouble. He’s no where near good enough and wouldn’t start for most prem teams.
Giving me quotes from Ole and Southgate are just stupid. Go give me his stats rather than pointless PR quotes. Is that your way of defending players. Do you go in the Phil Jones thread and post that Fergie called him the next Duncan Edwards?
Like I said, you have no real answers. Greenwood was just promoted to the first team. No sense arguing with people who dont use their heads. Keep up the campaign of hateLike I said, moving goal posts.
So it’s conspiracy now? I guess everyone else is wrong, and you are right. As long as you move goal posts and insert arguments that no one else made to further your support of jlingz.Like I said, you have no real answers. Greenwood was just promoted to the first team. No sense arguing with people who dont use their heads. Keep up the campaign of hate
Really the same Mata most people are happy to see the back of and gob smacked that Woodward is going to give him a new contract?Im bringing them as examples because now we have posters comparing Lingard to Arnold, a fullback, and Mata plays a similar role to Lingard but his numbers are just as underwhelming but he doesnt get anything close to the criticism Lingard gets and you know it
So wrong in soo many ways.Trusting too many shite players was the downfall of Jose. Lingard was one of them. If you work hard, run around even if you have zero technical ability than you are definitely starting for a Mourinho team.
LvG didn't play him that much and he was literally a nothing player(just like now) under him too.
Regarding England, the midfield choices are very underwhelming. Lingard is the best amongst worst.
We have had chances to replace him but we didn't. We deserve to be where we are because we don't dispose the dross we have.
Yes, its a conpiracy to fit your narrative no matter what. Lingard has scored 7 goals against Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea. With that in mind would you start an untested Greenwood against those clubs in place of Lingard?So it’s conspiracy now? I guess everyone else is wrong, and you are right. As long as you move goal posts and insert arguments that no one else made to further your support of jlingz.
Lingard was on loan during LVG's first season and when he came back in LVG's second and final season he played 27 times. LVG had nothing but praise for him. So Lingard is best among the worst in an England team that has ouperformed any other since 1990?Trusting too many shite players was the downfall of Jose. Lingard was one of them. If you work hard, run around even if you have zero technical ability than you are definitely starting for a Mourinho team.
LvG didn't play him that much and he was literally a nothing player(just like now) under him too.
Regarding England, the midfield choices are very underwhelming. Lingard is the best amongst worst.
We have had chances to replace him but we didn't. We deserve to be where we are because we don't dispose the dross we have.
To say he's useless and has contributed nothing at United which is the main theme going on here is simply wrong, pure and simple. Im not apologizing for defending him from that nonsense. The haters have taken their stance and ive taken mineReally the same Mata most people are happy to see the back of and gob smacked that Woodward is going to give him a new contract?
Know what? I read all your posts in this thread and it’s been mainly you defending him for some odd reason. I just don’t get that going into a performance thread and constantly defending them if they like your relatives. I’d get it if he performed or had some potential to be world class. You claim we hate him and it’s nothing to do with football. You said that a few times in this thread which is a strange statement.
Also I don’t think you grasped it. When a fullback in basically one season playing for the first team has more assists than you as a winger who has been playing for four seasons then it’s pretty embarrassing.
Everyone has a campaign of hate apparently besides you. This is the player performance thread not the love in thread. His performances especially recently have been awful. No idea how anybody can excuse that.
6 actually and half of them have been against Arsenal who have been a joke over the years.Yes, its a conpiracy to fit your narrative no matter what. Lingard has scored 7 goals against Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea. With that in mind would you start an untested Greenwood against those clubs in place of Lingard?
Its really funny that you accuse me of forcing a narrative when that’s pretty clearly your tactic. He’s got goals against Liverpool arsenal and chelsea. So? He scored in three games out of thirty eight? Well, shit. Let’s build the team around him.Yes, its a conpiracy to fit your narrative no matter what. Lingard has scored 7 goals against Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea. With that in mind would you start an untested Greenwood against those clubs in place of Lingard?
Its actually 7, look again, maybe you're forgetting his goal against Arsenal in the FA cup this season. My first point here was that Lingard is a useful squad player and a big game player. Park had the same role here and he scored less in more appearances. We can't have a team of world beaters. This is why I brought up the example of Origi, a player villified by Liverpool fans as much as Lingard is by united fans but who has chipped in when most needed in the last two games. Look at his overall numbers and tell me he should be playing for a so called elite club.6 actually and half of them have been against Arsenal who have been a joke over the years.
Why don’t you look at the bigger picture. How many goals has he got in his career despite so many starts? Can you tell me how many goals and assists he’s got and if it’s good enough for a club of our stature.
You're being deliberately dumb, when did I even remotely suggest this? Im not even going to continue this debate, all my points are lost on you.Its really funny that you accuse me of forcing a narrative when that’s pretty clearly your tactic. He’s got goals against Liverpool arsenal and chelsea. So? He scored in three games out of thirty eight? Well, shit. Let’s build the team around him.
No, but then again, that would apply to all the players bar 3-4. I feel Lingard is okay as a squad option for next year. We need to move on a lot of players and it won't be possible in one window.A question for the Lingard cheerleaders, if he was playing at another club and was available this coming window would you want us to sign him?
Probably not to be honest, if his numbers were what they are, but Liverpool fans can easily say the same about their current **** hero OrigiA question for the Lingard cheerleaders, if he was playing at another club and was available this coming window would you want us to sign him?
Not a fan of sarcasm, then?You're being deliberately dumb, when did I even remotely suggest this? Im not even going to continue this debate, all my points are lost on you.
I guess the mystery of who is buying jlingz gear is finally solved. .@Loublaze’s obsession with lingard is quite scary!
Yes, I just hold an opposing view to certain views that are repeated here to death, but im obsessed because I respond to them when mine are challenged, makes sense@Loublaze’s obsession with lingard is quite scary!
I don't really expect you to agree with me on anything Jose related. Your obsession with him is comparable to @Loublaze 's with Lingard.So wrong in soo many ways.
Not sharing your hatred of Lingard doesn't equate to obsession. I'll just ignore all the alerts and tages I have coming from this thread. I believe i've made measured responses here.I don't really expect you to agree with me on anything Jose related. Your obsession with him is comparable to @Loublaze 's with Lingard.
The man would have relegated us and even then you would come out and support him no matter what.