Why is our fanbase so toxic towards its players?

[ivaldo]

I didnt side step anything. Youre the one attributing arguments to me that someone else made in a different thread, and now getting all huffy about it. Lingards shit. His stats prove that. All the running in the world doesnt change it. He acts like a fanny in public and he gets called out on it. Wheres the problem? Or should I say wheres the problem thats enough to warrant you arguing with various other members over various threads because you dont agree with their opinions? lingard, is fecking shite. Hes stealing a living and he needs to feck off to the league 1 level he should be .

I literally quoted you making that correlation in this very thread. About an hour ago. You been drinking?

I have no problem with you thinking he's shite. And the fact you think that this is what this thread is about just shows how lost you are right now. If you're going to quote me, at least make sure you read the thread properly first. 101.

You seem to be getting pretty angry. Take your own advice and take a breather.

 

[fergiesarmy1]

Some of the players have consistently let the club down for 3-6 years.
Some of them also show a district lack of fight
Some of them are clearly not good enough to be playing for United (however that is not their fault, club and management should get rid)

Saying that I do think the vitriol some of them receive is way beyond what can be deemed reasonable

I think they have been getting away with it for far too long, was it peirera that seemed shocked because a few fans had a pop at Pogba at the end of the season? He was strutting around like a peacock virtually goading fans who weren’t happy to say something

 

[Nick7]

Not true, all my mates are in their forties and fifties and most of us agree that not winning trophies does not bother us. Most of us saw that in the late 70s and 80s, no one ever accused the players of not trying hard enough though. Some of the performances this lot put in make me puke. Martial is an embarrassment to the players who died playing for this club, Lukaku is so out of shape he looks the twice the size of the player we signed from Everton. Lingard simply isn’t good enough so not entirely his fault he gets as many games as he does. Pogba virtually downed tools once Ole got the job permanently, I think to make his next move easier and cheaper for the buying club than if he had finished the season as he started under Ole.

Don’t get me started on the defence

So what you're saying is you're entitled and spoiled?

 

[Giggsyking]

About a grand if you’re not careful

I thought much more.

 

[Ekeke]

I dont think it has to do with Sir Alex no, just spoiled entitled fans/posters who feel no loyalty to the club's players and prefer signing whole new teams on football manager and fifa

 

[Fooza]

You literally said Lingard should be working on his fitness, despite him having extremely good fitness. . There's no evidence, there's no rhyme or reason or correlation.

It's a combination of the players not being good enough and poor management and club decisions. Some players have downed tools previously, but Lingard certainly wasn't one of them. You don't like certain aspects of him as a person, for whatever reason, and with literally no connection you've decided it's a problem. It's daft. Thank you for proving my point.

Show me where I said specifically said Lingard himself should be working on fitness.

By the point of social media ,I made it a mentality issue and I said fitness was an issue overall in the squad. Just because Lingard has good fitness you still don't prove anything. He needs to get his mentality and priorities sorted as far as I'm concerned so yes that part of him I don't like, and the fact his a manchild when his aged 27.

Lingard has been terrible inconsistent since he's been at Utd, especially this season so yes his also been a major problem for us, what utter nonsense that Lingard wasn't one of them.

Sure whatever point you had, clutching at straws mate, I ain't biting next time.

 

[fergiesarmy1]

So what you're saying is you're entitled and spoiled?

The not winning trophies thing doesn’t bother us, so yeah entitled and spoiled

 

[Snafu17]

Because big spoiled fans bases act have a tendency to act like big spoiled fan bases when the results aren't going their way ie like cnuts. No fan base is special they're all similar sets of cnuts, just with adjusted expectations. The reason why United's seemed fairly tame for a long while is because SAF produced ridiculously consistent results for about 20 years.

 

[clarkydaz]

I dont think it has to do with Sir Alex no, just spoiled entitled fans/posters who feel no loyalty to the club's players and prefer signing whole new teams on football manager and fifa

I think its more fans don't trust these players now, they've nothing to hide behind anymore. they had several chances to clinch top 4 and passed them all by with some disgraceful performances beaten by basics like effort and desire

 

[Ekeke]

I think its more fans don't trust these players now, they've nothing to hide behind anymore. they had several chances to clinch top 4 and passed them all by with some disgraceful performances beaten by basics like effort and desire

Thats the squad rather than individual players though. Some are let down by others.

 

[redcafe_reader]

We are massively underachieving, especially consider our wages bill.

We sacked manager 3 times, and the result and play style stay generally the same (AKA shit).

Our players mostly enjoy total support at Old Trafford, the only place that matter. Meanwhile, their performance is terrible (like 1 goal and 0 assist in last 1000 minutes for an attacker).

Most of our player didn't improve. Some people said they work hard but what do they have to show for it? Or do they think farming distance covered stat is "working hard"?

But that's our fanbase being toxic toward our own players?

 

[Cassidy]

I think they have been getting away with it for far too long, was it peirera that seemed shocked because a few fans had a pop at Pogba at the end of the season? He was strutting around like a peacock virtually goading fans who weren’t happy to say something

Pereira first real season with the first team. Has been on loan for 2 years. Far too long doesn't apply to all players

 

[fergiesarmy1]

Pereira first real season with the first team. Has been on loan for 2 years. Far too long doesn't apply to all players

Wasn’t having a pop at him, was just surprised by how surprised he was fans aren’t happy

 

[Cassidy]

We are massively underachieving, especially consider our wages bill.

We sacked manager 3 times, and the result and play style stay generally the same (AKA shit).

Our players mostly enjoy total support at Old Trafford, the only place that matter. Meanwhile, their performance is terrible (like 1 goal and 0 assist in last 1000 minutes for an attacker).

Most of our player didn't improve. Some people said they work hard but what do they have to show for it? Or do they think farming distance covered stat is "working hard"?

But that's our fanbase being toxic toward our own players?

Our own fans have racially abused some of our players on social media.

By the way some players being toxic is not mutually exclusive to fans being toxic

 

[haram]

because our fanbase is full of entitled spoiled cnuts?

Bang on, first reply.

 

[Cassidy]

Wasn’t having a pop at him, was just surprised by how surprised he was fans aren’t happy

He wasnt surprised fans were not happy. He was surprised at the level of abuse Pogba was getting which was way beyond reasonable for an unhappy fan

He was probably also surprised who was receiving that level of abuse vs their teammates.

I was certainly suprised when I saw it nyself

 

[fergiesarmy1]

He wasnt surprised fans were not happy. He was surprised at the level of abuse Pogba was getting which was way beyond reasonable for an unhappy fan

He was probably also surprised who was receiving that level of abuse vs their teammates.

I was certainly suprised when I saw it nyself

I think Pogba downed tools for the last ten games or thereabouts so I wasn’t surprised, I also think he was causing some of it stood there bare chested puffed out like he was some sort of captain marvel this season. Without the penalties his season looks nowhere near as good as it does on ink

 

[MackRobinson]

Nobody should be surprised. United have been successful for such a long time that it was inevitable that the fans would act like spoiled brats if the success didn't continue. This isn't special to United though. Most fans of large clubs are cnuts.

As a sports fan I've come to accept, on average, sports fans aren't the brightest group of people on the planet and, b/c they are so invested in their clubs, can do and say truly horrible things. I roll my eyes whenever I see posts that call for players to "fight for the badge", "do it for the shirt", or "respect the club" juxtaposed against fans readily hurling insults at underperforming players and accusing them of downing tools.

 

[wolvored]

We’re crap and fans need to vent. What do you expect? Happy cheering, singing and dancing every time Young and Lingard have another stinker for the 10th game in a row? I’m not saying get personal, but it’s frustrating as a fan. You pay your money to watch multi-millionaire footballers prance around with minimal effort. You work your arse off at your job five days a week to watch these guys turn in a pub performance at the weekend so yeh they’re gonna get some criticism for it.

This

 

[Kag]

Keep telling yourself that in a world where the bulk of a club's revenue comes from foreign broadcasting and selling merchandise around the globe. Man. United probably relies more on China to keep existing than on the local supporters.
"Top Reds" and the like are just a group of yes men. The moment that the foreign image of the club is destroyed and people don't arse themselves to watch MUFC and buy their crap anymore the only way is down.

What does that have to do with my point?

I’m not entirely sure I agree with yours either. If the season ticket holders stop going to football matches then United lose money. That’s an economic certainty. And it’s those season ticket holders that make up the very supportive ‘fanbase’ I referred to, not some angry arsehole in China.

 

[Lentwood]

It's not JUST the fact that we are crap, it's the WAY we are crap.

I don't care how bad (or not) some of us on this forum believe this bunch of players are - there is absolutely no way that players good enough to beat PSG, Chelsea, Arsenal and Tottenham should be bad enough to put in the insipid performances we saw against the likes of Wolves, Huddersfield, West Ham and Cardiff.

It boils down to not being able to motivate themselves, being spoiled and entitled enough to down tools for one of the best managers the modern game has seen and then tweeting crap constantly about how they are 'sorry'. The statistics back up the feeling that this team just does not work hard enough on the pitch, however, I don't need statistics to tell me that the performances directly after the appointment of Ole were a world apart in terms of effort from what we saw at the beginning of the season and what we saw at the end.

Losing is acceptable in professional sport ONLY if the players have given everything. Does anyone, even the staunchest advocate of these players, believe that they all gave everything every single minute of every single game?

Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser. Watch the footage after we lose. One mournful look at the camera before the handshakes and hugs start with the opposition....if you don't understand WHY that's an issue for some of us then I don't think you understand what it takes to win

Just while I am on a roll.....I play football myself. Not to a fantastic standard but a decent one nonetheless. If you've ever played team sport to a reasonable level, you know which of your teammates will disappear when they get caught by a tackle, you know who will down tools when it's wet and cold, you know who will stand there throwing their arms around and not running back when you're 0-3 down, you know which players go into games without preparing and leave the pitch having not given it their best but still content that they did 'OK'. I'll tell you what I see at United, about 23 of them, give or take

 

[Livvie]

I doubt it's much different to previous years - social media has magnified everything

 

[redcafe_reader]

Our own fans have racially abused some of our players on social media.

By the way some players being toxic is not mutually exclusive to fans being toxic

The people that racially abused Ashley Young is a minority, compare to the overwhelming support he got in here, or reddit, two of our largest online fan-base.

Why that small amount of fan can be an indicator of "our fanbase" but our match-goer, who always give total support for those underachieving players can not?

 

[AR87]

Because Manchester United fans were spoiled for an unprecedented period of success. The drop off has been significant and drastic. It's easy and cathartic to just slag off everybody and everything, call it shit, and harken back to the good ole days.

 

[SteveJ]

It's easy and cathartic to just slag off everybody and everything, call it shit, and harken back to the good ole days.

That's Brexit, not United.

 

[Pace Abuser]

It's easy and cathartic to just slag off everybody and everything, call it shit, and harken back to the good ole days.

The 12 game run

 

[pocco]

The players have been hiding behind managers for years here now. It's about time they got the brunt of it.

 

[Reiver]

I don't think our fanbase is that much worse than many others. If most sets of fans had to watch the shit we've been served up, they'd be unhappy too.

 

[C3Pique]

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[Tom Cato]

It's MUCH easier to be negative and take your frustration out on people with consequence, rather than be positive and constructive. And thats essentially that

 

[SolskjaerHasDoneIt]

Lack of results, simples.

It's not even the results, it's the blatant lack of effort then a lot of them peacock around like they're the next best thing.

 

[fergiesarmy1]

I don't think our fanbase is that much worse than many others. If most sets of fans had to watch the shit we've been served up, they'd be unhappy too.

We’re too patient at the moment, it’s only online you see people really moaning. The away fans are brilliant and probably would keep singing if we are 5-0 down to the end, home fans it’s just apathy. Every time I go I’m in the pub by half time as its more appealing than watching lazy bastards jogging around for 90 minutes

 

[Cassidy]

The people that racially abused Ashley Young is a minority, compare to the overwhelming support he got in here, or reddit, two of our largest online fan-base.

Why that small amount of fan can be an indicator of "our fanbase" but our match-goer, who always give total support for those underachieving players can not?

It wasnt actually a small amount. And I didnt say anything about match going fans. We have more than 85,000 fans and fans on redcafe

 

[Cassidy]

I think Pogba downed tools for the last ten games or thereabouts so I wasn’t surprised, I also think he was causing some of it stood there bare chested puffed out like he was some sort of captain marvel this season. Without the penalties his season looks nowhere near as good as it does on ink

 

[SolskjaerHasDoneIt]

Also no other "top club" with title ambitions would put up with the dross we've been served over the last few years. Especially with the mismanagement of transfer funds and lack of proper scouting/direction. I actually feel like our fans have been too patient compared to other sets of fans.

 

[Reddy Rederson]

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I think I saw one reply in there that wasnt an utter disgrace.

 

[Rado_N]

because our fanbase is full of entitled spoiled cnuts?

Thread was over after the first reply.

 

[fergiesarmy1]

Well put - 2 goals in the last 17 games both penalties - that’ll show em

 

[redcafe_reader]

It wasnt actually a small amount. And I didnt say anything about match going fans. We have more than 85,000 fans and fans on redcafe

Compare to the support he got?

The thread title "why is our fanbase so toxic toward its player" - our match going fan is included in "our fan base". Our fan here is included in "our fan base". Our fan in reddit is included in "our fan base". It's up to you to determine what's the majority and what's the minority in the Ashley Young case.

 

[Dve]

United are no different from other clubs. Results out from expectations. And then the players get disliked - at a personal level - when they don´t give the fans results to bowl on. Make a night to remember. Fans are also selfish, but United are not worse than anyone else.