You do realise you're actually making his point for him here?
Aaron Wan-Bissaka | The Ornacle speaks: It is done.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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I think they also chased cr7 for 3 years before getting him.
Not at all. Even SAF signed flops, a lot of them! But didn't change his mind set on buying expensive foreigners did it! You win some you lose some.You do realise you're actually making his point for him here?
If you post like a ten year old, expect to be treated like one.
So what you're trying to say is: no, you can't find this report, nor can you find anywhere where I've said we should negotiate by offering the same amount. Great strawman.
Even the report you're referring to suggests the offer is £35mil plus £15mil add-ons. So no, it hadn't gone up £5mil in 5 years.
We've agreed to basically match the highest fee ever paid for a fullback,only despite having only played 1 full season, and trying to negotiate that down is low balling to you. Sounds like perfectly reasonable logic...
Out of those, Rooney was the only one that had 1 season under their belt. The rest were seasoned pro's. They were less of a risk than your wan bissakas, Dan james and longstaff! Who by the way would be expected to get us up the table if we sold Pogba
Somehow you think this counters my point?You didn't ask for players with 1 season under their belts you just said English. I even left off Roy Keane and Dennis Irwin to fit your narrative. The less experience a player has off course it is more of a projection as to how they will do but experience in the PL means more than experience elsewhere. AWB was a beast all season for CP so that dispels any question marks over his ability to handle the physicality of the PL which is a legitimate doubt for any overseas player you sign.
I would not put Wan-Bissaka in the same category as James or Longstaff.
@Celoti23-81 this isn't going very well for you.
Just caught that you said we have a worse manager than Leicester. You do know Brendan Rodgers is managing Leicester?
I'm not saying anything about countering your point. It is just an overall opinion that this transfer strategy we are deploying this season will not get us very far! And this is just my opinion too, I don't think Ole would do anything with the city or liverpool squad either!
Wan Bissaka I like very much. Longstaff and Daniel James though! Haven't seen anything special in James but for his pace!
The Pogba, De Gea and Lukaku situations are only adding to the urgency to get some deals across the line.
We already thought we needed 4-5 starters without a doubt before we lost anyone.
I genuinely wonder what the feeling is amongst Ole and our board. Are we panicking, or at least "Heavily concerned" like a lot of us fans are? Or do they think they're on top of things?
As if we enter the season with only a few "promising" British players signed, yet have lost our proven 20+ goals a season man, Pogba and Dea Gea, we could easily slip down, not get back up!
We already thought we needed 4-5 starters without a doubt before we lost anyone.
I genuinely wonder what the feeling is amongst Ole and our board. Are we panicking, or at least "Heavily concerned" like a lot of us fans are? Or do they think they're on top of things?
As if we enter the season with only a few "promising" British players signed, yet have lost our proven 20+ goals a season man, Pogba and Dea Gea, we could easily slip down, not get back up!
I'm not sure 'only having played one season' is a reason not to like him. He's clearly good enough to play for us now, so his age just means him potentially playing more seasons for us, a positive as far as I can see.
What a weird way of responding to a post @Verminator. Why am I not surprised you even managed to feck that up. If continue in kind.
If you post like a ten year old, expect to be treated like one. You were disrespectful. If anyone was behaving like a child, it is you. Oh grow up. If sarcasm hurts your feelings, the internet probably isn't the place for you.
So what you're trying to say is: no, you can't find this report, nor can you find anywhere where I've said we should negotiate by offering the same amount. Great strawman.
What 'report' am I supposed to be looking for? Have you imagined something? If there isn't a report on this then are you confirming you just pulled these figures out of your arse, or are you referencing something reported?
Even the report you're referring to suggests the offer is £35mil plus £15mil add-ons. So no, it hadn't gone up £5mil in 5 years.
The cash offer was £35m and it still is, but with more add-ons.
Top fullbacks don't still cost £30m. Last summer's window is enough evidence of that.
Yeah, add-ons. This isn't something new. Pretending they don't exist isn't going to bring the offer down.
We've agreed to basically match the highest fee ever paid for a fullback,only despite having only played 1 full season, and trying to negotiate that down is low balling to you. Sounds like perfectly reasonable logic...
£35m plus £15m in add-ons does not match the record for a FB. If it did, we'd pay £50m cash and the deal would be done.
Is that TOO logical for you?
£35mil+£15mil=£35mil. Perfect logic.
If you post like a ten year old, expect to be treated like one. You were disrespectful. If anyone was behaving like a child, it is you. Oh grow up. If sarcasm hurts your feelings, the internet probably isn't the place for you.
So what you're trying to say is: no, you can't find this report, nor can you find anywhere where I've said we should negotiate by offering the same amount. Great strawman.
What 'report' am I supposed to be looking for? Have you imagined something? If there isn't a report on this then are you confirming you just pulled these figures out of your arse, or are you referencing something reported?
Even the report you're referring to suggests the offer is £35mil plus £15mil add-ons. So no, it hadn't gone up £5mil in 5 years.
The cash offer was £35m and it still is, but with more add-ons.
Top fullbacks don't still cost £30m. Last summer's window is enough evidence of that.
Yeah, add-ons. This isn't something new. Pretending they don't exist isn't going to bring the offer down.
We've agreed to basically match the highest fee ever paid for a fullback,only despite having only played 1 full season, and trying to negotiate that down is low balling to you. Sounds like perfectly reasonable logic...
£35m plus £15m in add-ons does not match the record for a FB. If it did, we'd pay £50m cash and the deal would be done.
Is that TOO logical for you?
£35mil+£15mil=£35mil. Perfect logic.
What has Ole done to be considered a better manager than Rodgers?
I would to a point, cause like I said, SAF made bad foreign signings, but never changed his approach to signing foreigners on the count of a couple not working out either!
That's what utd are doing now, changing the landscape cause of the failure Sanchez has been.
Im just pissed that a club of this size is not setting it's sights on getting to city and Liverpool's level! Instead we are inspiring to be leicester with our transfer strategy and ole as manager!
We are living in the past! Like liverpool did for years!
Where did I say that last line?
You are as dim as you are obnoxious. That's some feat.
https://www.skysports.com/football/...-aaron-wan-bissaka-rejected-by-crystal-palace
The title of the link literally says £50mil offer rejected.
Keep going champ.
Just because media reports we are in for maddison ?
Can you read it Forrest?The title of the link literally says £50mil offer rejected.
Keep going champ.
"Offer of £35m + £15m add ons rejected.
Palace will accept between £45m - £50m cash."
So are you saying Palace are bidding us down, using your logic?
Yes 30 + 5 = 35 glad to help.
Let's ignore the quoted part hey? Best to ignore it than try to justify it.
Palace are understood not to be happy with the structue of the deal, not the amount, the structue. You've stated in the quote we've offered £35mil. There's no mention of add-ons anywhere until you were challenged on it. You know the rest of the forum can read this too, right? You're not very good at this, are you?
Why are we so bad in negotiating, we are wasting too much time. Palace clearly make it clear that they want something like £50m. £35m for the base fees of course isn’t good enough to meet their demand. It doesn’t require good brain to see that 35m is still far behind 50m. At least goes with 40m plus 10m adds on or 45m plus 5m adds on.
AWB was well rated before last season, for anyone who followed Palace and/or England youth sides...
That too.
If we think he's not worth 50m and trying so hard to get to get the deal for far less than that while they're persisting on 50m, why are we still negotiating him ? Another club will shift his attention to another RB that they think he'll be worth the money, but for United we all know what will happen, which what happened last summer : Drag the entire summer trying to get him for less than what Palace are asking for and will probably scrap the entire deal at the end as I said previously.
Yeah, this one season wonder stuff on here is a more than a bit weird...That too.
Woodward is embarrassing.
I had answered the quoted part before your post.
So have you given up arguing about logic now?
Who knows how achievable the add-ons are?
Why should a selling club agree, just to keep the buyer's initial outlay low?
I started at £30m + £5m because that was our opening bid.
You have spent all this time arguing with me, after the add-ons were established. You even quoted, belittled, and argued the logic involved. Now you are trying to make the best of it.
Yes I'm sure people can read what has been said, and can see you squirming in your latest post.
Also, why have you bolded your mis-spelling of structure? Are you taking the piss out of yourself now?
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Not your best night on the Caf, Verms... but you’re right. Nobody has any idea what idea what the add-ons are. 10-15 first team appearances is more than reasonable, Ballon d’Hor ain’t.
No you haven't.
You don't and I don't. But only one of us is losing our shit over the transfer fee. Only one of us is saying we are low-balling Palace. Only one of us is quoting an article that includes the add ons in the total, and then proceeds to argue the validity of including them at all. How thick do you have to be to do that?
. Yeah. Logic.No one said they should agree. You can't even focus on what you're trying to argue about. How many more strawmans are you going to conjure up? As I've categorically shown, you've neglected to include the add ons in your post in a feeble attempt to show the offer to be weaker than it is, despite everyone and their dog at the very least calling the offer "£35mil+£15mil," while even the very article you quote calls it a "£50mil" offer.
That's funny.
You changed your mind about what the opening bid was? Or was it
In which case we have moved on with the add ons.
Do you need a bigger shovel?
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There is nothing here that bares any resemblance to the discussion.No you haven't.
You don't and I don't. But only one of us is losing our shit over the transfer fee. Only one of us is saying we are low-balling Palace. Only one of us is quoting an article that includes the add ons in the total, and then proceeds to argue the validity of including them at all. How thick do you have to be to do that?
No one said they should agree. You can't even focus on what you're trying to argue about. How many more strawmans are you going to conjure up? As I've categorically shown, you've neglected to include the add ons in your post, despite everyone and their dog at the very least calling the offer "£35mil+£15mil," while the very article you quote calls it a "£50mil" offer.
Do you need a bigger shovel?
If the deal with add-ons is the same as £50m why would Palace refuse but be willing to accept £45m? Because they don't view it as attractive as cash.
You have argued continually, after add-ons were included in the debate, and are now trying to change tack. It is all there in black and white.
Also, I'm not "losing my shit" over this transfer, but it is frustrating dealing with you.
Why would you think that?
If you read back, you'd see who has had a mare.
No you haven't.
You don't and I don't. But only one of us is losing our shit over the transfer fee. Only one of us is saying we are low-balling Palace. Only one of us is quoting an article that includes the add ons in the total, and then proceeds to argue the validity of including them at all. How thick do you have to be to do that?
No one said they should agree. You can't even focus on what you're trying to argue about. How many more strawmans are you going to conjure up? As I've categorically shown, you've neglected to include the add ons in your post in a feeble attempt to show the offer to be weaker than it is, despite everyone and their dog at the very least calling the offer "£35mil+£15mil," while even the very article you quote calls it a "£50mil" offer.
That's funny.
You changed your mind about what the opening bid was? Or was it
In which case we have moved on with the add ons.
Do you need a bigger shovel?
Those two quotes you have edited in are 47 pages apart.
One before any serious reports of negotiations (March 23rd) and one today (June 17th) with negotiations in full swing.
You are a real piece of work arent you?
Of course it does. But yet again, you want to pivot because you've gotten yourself all tangled up. Even you can appreciate what a feck up it was to post a link that literally calls the offer £50mil, surely? You've either deliberately chosen to ignore the add ons, or you haven't realised they are there. The offer isn't £35mil. It's £35mil+£15mil add ons, which is why the rest of the world is including it when the amount is being discussed. You've stated Palace have been willing to move from their starting position and we haven't. You've even demonstrated further negotiation on our part throughout this discussion - and that's not including your previous comments where you appear perfectly convinced we had offered £25mil. And because you've realised what a royal mess you've made of it all, you've continually thrown down strawman arguments, and when I've called you on them, you've moved on as if they didn't exist.
Its not the same. It's structured differently. If the player is as good as you and Palace claim him to be, then where's the issue?
You've taken a light hearted comment and turned it into a lengthy debate that only calls into question your own comprehension and recollection of what you've previously said.
Won 2 league titles with Molde who had never won a league title before his arrival. Brendan won stuff with Celtic but their only competition was non league level teams and he bought Lazar Markovic. I prefer Ole.
Just offer 40 million, rising to 60 if we win the league. We'd be ripping them off
Seriously though, why would palace accept anything under 50 million cash? They'd be mental to imo.
Seriously though, why would palace accept anything under 50 million cash? They'd be mental to imo.
Ah so you didn't comment on it and you didn't beleive it back then. I see. It demonstrates neatly your own readiness to criticize the negotiations, even when you knew very little about it. Now you want to accept £35mil as the fee but deliberately ignore the add ons as if that doesn't offer significantly more value to the offer. Context is a lovely thing.
Only on the Caf will you see someone say Ole is a better manager than Rodgers.
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