Newcastle were a long ball team under Rafa though. They wanted to be as direct as possible to Rondon. The matches I've seen of him, he's capable of playing it through the lines, he's always got his head up, it just wasn't their game to do that though.
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How many players have we sold to Madrid unwillingly?
Well in principle, every players we sold, we have to accept the offer first, so you can argue that they are all sold willingly.
But truth is we have several key players sold to Madrid at their peak: Beckham, Ruud, Ronaldo. And we have key players unsettled here at one point and wanting to join Madrid at their peak too: De Gea, Pogba
Fergie was done with Becks.. same with RvN.. Heinze is barely worth a mention..
Ronaldo is the only one we have sold to Madrid that we would have liked to keep.. and nearly De Gea.
Ronaldo is the only one we have sold to Madrid that we would have liked to keep.. and nearly De Gea.
Alright lad, take a Xanax or something
I don’t really care to be honest. Longstaff can be whatever you want him to be.He wasn't done with them (apart maybe Heinze). They pushed hard to leave and we adapted to that
Nah, Fergie pretty much booted them out of the door. We didn't adapt to any thing apart from Ronaldo.
Dont think Becks wanted to leave.
Revision of history at best. RvN and Becks were among the best players in their position and great professionals. Then one fine day they simply acted out which mysterioust paved the way to a quick and rather cheap exit to Real.
What video's ?
There are no videos comprehensive enough that are out there on the internet to give anyone an informed opinion on what kind of player he is or how he likes to use the ball.
You've watched basically the same 3-4 minute compilations that are out there on him and based your opinion on that haven't you ?
More like, I have spent my money wisely to get the best hardware specification possible within my budget because who cares? in 3 years time I'm going to buy a new one anyway... They will last a maximum 5 years and the value will decrease.This situation with Longstaff and James reminds me on that situation in life when you don't have money for newest laptop or mobile phone so you buy some unknown stuff from China and you keep saying to yourself; " Samsung and Apple are overrated. This xy thing from China is next big thing".
James and Longstaff maybe have p but signings like that in our situation are wrong. We need quality and then we can add players with potential to that. With signings like that we can't catch 4th place.
People will call me moaner or pessimist but i prefer realist
But players aren't hardwares, if a young player can fill the position We need and seems cheap enough for the talents and potential He seems to have then it's worth a punt. If it works out, the value will increase by tenfolds.
- Look at Sanchez, You paid for an iPhone X (his wages + Mkhitaryan) and ended up getting a Sony Ericsson k700.
- Look at Pogba, You paid for an iPhone X and He does seem like an iPhone X at French NT. At ManUnited however, He's mostly a Xiaomi Red Note 3 and sometimes a Nokia 3100.
- Look at Lingard, You paid for an average ASUS laptop with plastic casing but He's acting like He's a fecking ALIENWARE M17 or something.
Man united replaced them with even better players. It was the same like Madrid offloaded Di Maria and Ozil to get new better ones.
They were sold off by Fergie having questions about their work rate and attitude.
I ll be the first to admit I haven't seen enough of this guy to determine if he is good enough for us, but there is something about him that I like (from the little I have seen).
And I also get the feeling that signing a player like Longstaff (if we can get him for £25-30 million) could really decide OGS' future. If he fails, OGS will be ridiculed for wasting money on an unknown. And while Ferguson could afford it with someone like Bebe, OGS probably can not. Whereas if Longstaff turns out to be a success, OGS will be considered a genius for spotting a talent like that.
It will be a bold move - but my guts is telling me it might pay off.
And I also get the feeling that signing a player like Longstaff (if we can get him for £25-30 million) could really decide OGS' future. If he fails, OGS will be ridiculed for wasting money on an unknown. And while Ferguson could afford it with someone like Bebe, OGS probably can not. Whereas if Longstaff turns out to be a success, OGS will be considered a genius for spotting a talent like that.
It will be a bold move - but my guts is telling me it might pay off.
Are you saying Beckham wanted to leave? Because that is simply not true...
Here is a quote by Beckham himself.
"I was shocked and devastated because we had just won the league that season.
[I wanted to retire at United] Because Manchester United were my team. I had no aspirations to leave United. There was never any revenge. I was hurt and angry at the time at how the situation had gone because throughout the season I was left out of certain games but never thought it would lead to me leaving.
But I had heard rumours I might be sold. I was holiday in the States with Victoria and one of my friends called and told me it was on Sky Sports that United had agreed terms with Barcelona. I said that wasn’t right, I don’t know anything about it.
I then flew back to London. I tried to speak to Peter Kenyon and tried to speak to the manager and he said no. I said well I need to speak to him and understand what is going on. He said it’s true, we have agreed a deal.
That is when I spoke to my agent and said if I am going to move, I’m going to move to Madrid. Within a day, I was sat with the president of Madrid and we agreed that is where I was going to go."
PS. In the same interview he also exlained the boot to the face
SAF actually kicked a pile of clothes on the floor but there happened to be a boot under there. Hit him right in the face without even trying.I don't care what a washed up Beckham says now. What I care is what he did back then when the world was at his feet. I know people who even attended to his wedding and I assure you Beckham wanted to leave. Real were paying silly money in salaries and image rights - SAF's bitching about his celebrity commitments
Beckham was booted out by Fergie, he clearly wasn't the same player. He ain't considered a Real Madrid success.
I disagree. Ronaldo in his first years wasn't as good as Becks was. Also the Portuguese would have been bought either way (giggs needed cover/competition). Becks wanted out as Ince, kanchelskis and Co did and we adapted. We had a solid scout staff then
Which is why he now regret leaving. However let's not fall into the trap of thinking he didn't want to leave back then. He forced Sir Alex's hand to sell him. Its not as if Sir alex was thrilled having to rely on a striker, an 18 year old and Fletch as RW
Thats what you like to believe in your poor attempt to prove that united were always a push over.. Mate your are totally wrong on this.Beckham did not force anyone's hand to leave. He was shown the door by Fergie because off his off the field antics and poor work rate standards and replaced with better player than him.
He is considered a Real Madrid failure. That Era was the worst time for Real Madrid as a club in laliga and Europe.
As long as he has talent, then no problem taking a punt on him.
It was obvious that both he and Ruud's performances had been dropping over their last couple of seasons, both were having run-ins with Fergie, and that Fergie had already started transitioning them out of the side in their respective last season. Fergie wasn't happy with them, and as such they weren't happy with how things were going. I wouldn't be surprised if you are right that both he and Ruud wanted to leave because of how things were going, but the far more important thing is that it was quite obvious Fergie was looking to move them on.
Ronaldo is the only player we sold them we didn't want to. Almost De Gea as well. And unfortunately Pogba will probably be added to that list at the end of next season. Beckham, Ruud and Heinze were them taking our 'cast-offs' when we were done with them (as bad as that sounds when talking about Becks and Ruud).
Take the off topic discussions elsewhere. Cantona yesterday, Becks, RVN today.
Is Sean Longstaff basically another McTominay?
I doubt.
Sure does seem like it from youtube videos. Gets further up the field for Newcastle but doesn't seem like he has the skillset to do it at the level United will need. Which means we'll use him more for breaking up plays deep in midfield. He has good long passes and can thread them through midfield as well. Basically McTom
Purely by the videos and what others have said, he looks to have a significantly better passing range than McTominay. His ability on the ball looks closer to Carrick, which is really what we need more than anything else in midfield. Whether he's the right player for that role is another question.
I agree with this. The video available out there is not enough to inform how good or bad the Longstaff is. They are just short video like 3-5 min. From the video he looks similar to Carrick but again that’s only the way how he make a long pass & able to use both feet. His positioning, anticipation & passing ability aren’t shown enough on the video.
People who have watched him play live including Benítez agree that he’s similar to Carrick. Pep was fully praise him when he played against city. So far we can only use those two as information that this player has some potential & if he’s available for 25m, that’s worth the punt.
There is nothing wrong about spending little money on him. I’m fully accept this transfer & also excited if he’s really the next Carrick. Carrick’s type of player is very hard to get nowadays & that’s why I’m in.
Mysterious?
Nothing mysterious about it - van nistelrooy had a bust up with Ronaldo and Ferguson didn’t like it.
Beckham had become a true spice boy - and Ronaldo was a ready made replacement ... and Ferguson preferred proper pacey dribbling wingers anyway, Beckham never really fit in our system (despite having some world class attributes)
Or a young carrick spotted early? I don't think the current manager and assistant manager and coaches will be so naive bringing another mctominay in when we need a midfield revamp.
For years we have loathed the scouting network for not finding talent quick enough or the management of Woodward of not paying heed to their input. What if it's being finally done with carrick phelan and ole at the helm.
Well, I do trust Phelan.
This is a good point. Especially as CM is such a key area for us right now. Not only would it show his eye for spotting talent, but would also prove to people he can develop players. Which is the most common argument levelled at him and comparing Klopp and Poch in that regard.
So how come you can claim he is certainly not overrated? He might very well not make it here.
If he was being overrated then surely a sentence like that wouldn't be written, right?
I'm not saying he'll make it here. I'm saying there are many who reason he won't. So, "he is certainly not being overrated" (or underrated for that matter).
As much as Matic is Herrera yes
Any player has a chance of not making it in a bigger team, regardless if they are star players or young players with potential. Who would have expected Sanchez to be such a damp squib after he joined? Going further back, Schneiderlin was one of the best DMs at Southampton at that time, with a good engine and insane tackling ability. Most of us thought we had found out new midfield duo with Schweinsteiger back then.
We can only trust in our management to seek out the players who they think can make it here. The fact the Longstaff was thrown into the deep end by Rafa and came out of the big matches with top marks speaks a lot of his mentality though.
My point is when we haven't really seen him play on consistent basis we don't know if certain player is overrated or not. It's just a wild guess.
I agree. We don't know what his true ability is. What we do know is some like him and some don't. 50/50. So by definition he cannot be overrated. I guess I'm being a little too semantic here. Sorry.
Yeah, no worries mate. It's just I read every second opinion that he's either shite or next best thing. Some praise him highly based on youtube videos which as we know often doesn't really give a good perspective.
If we do buy him I hope it's soon so we can see a preseason out of him.
Never understood why teams employ scouts when you can know everything you need to know about a player by watching ScoutSkillz' 4 minute dramatic videos.
We wanted Ronaldinho though.
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