United players speed test

[roonster09]

Ah, you'd be surprised at the number of folks who believe that shit

That's just random number and what coaches told him. So when people use "he gives 110%" do you think it's possible?

Stop taking everything literally. It just means he wasn't sprinting at full speed and that speed was recorded at the time when he had hamstring issues.

 

[MVBDX]

That's just random number and what coaches told him. So when people use "he gives 110%" do you think it's possible?

Stop taking everything literally. It just means he wasn't sprinting at full speed and that speed was recorded at the time when he had hamstring issues.

110% is just used to show you're going to give all you've got. While 70% is allegedly the number he was told to perform, which in Layman's terms means far from your top level, although going by the numbers he's most definitely performed at over 90% (unless he's super fast), which wouldn't be far from his peak condition.

So it sounds like an excuse more than anything.

 

[roonster09]

110% is just used to show you're going to give all you've got. While 70% is allegedly the number he was told to perform, which in Layman's terms means far from your top level, although going by the numbers he's most definitely performed at over 90% (unless he's super fast), which wouldn't be far from his peak condition.

He was told not to sprint at full speed as he had tight hamstring and went off injured in previous gameo

Point of that tweet is, he was told not to run at full speed.

 

[Nick7]

Shaw had a hamstring issue around the time of this.

 

[ChaddyP]

Acceleration is far, far more important in football than top speed.

It's like no one gets this. Top speed means sweet feck all

 

[MVBDX]

He was told not to sprint at full speed as he had tight hamstring and went off injured in previous gameo

Point of that tweet is, he was told not to run at full speed.

Yet he did ran at/or close to full speed (+90%) anyway.

 

[roonster09]

Yet he did ran at/or close to full speed (+90%) anyway.

Doesn't matter. It's to show he is better than those numbers. It's not hard to understand.

 

[TheRedDevil'sAdvocate]

I'd like to know how fast they are in the first 5-10 meters of their sprint and what is their top speed when they are running with the ball. Furthermore, i'd like to know how many of them can actually treat the ball elegantly and purposefully while they are running with it at full speed. For example, i can tell that Lukaku is pretty bad at the latter. Top speed is the second most useless stat in football after the possession statistics.

 

[iluvoursolskjær]

Those numbers mean feckal. As others have mentioned there's a bucket load of other attributes more important like BEING ABLE TO GET THE BALL OUT OF YOUR FEET AKA FIRST TOUCH, acceleration, agility etc.

Not to mention Sprint speed with ball at f3et is different to a 100m Sprint.

What a donkey prick.

 

[WR10]

For the odd ones that think it was all just a bit of banter... it sprung the bottom 2 to defend themselves on data that is confidential. There’s no joke about that. Ole is livid with him - no joke about that. You don’t know how many others privately messaged him about it too - no joke about that.

Even let’s say yes, he was having a laugh - the context and intention is undeniable. He’s leaving the club trying to stroke his ego - joke or no joke behind the leak. You can’t justify that lack of professionalism. No he didn’t commit a crime - he just did something that 99% of level headed people find absolutely moronic and disrespectful.

As for the data itself - it’s rubbish. It means nothing. It’s top speed. It’s 3 days before Shaw subbed off a game with a tight hammy. What’s even sadder is that Rom thought he could validate himself with such a useless set of numbers like this...

 

[kouroux]

It's like no one gets this. Top speed means sweet feck all

I get that but how is Mata faster than Shaw still ?

 

[Web of Bissaka]

Surprising?
Lukaku to be somewhere at the top in top speed (long distance, off the ball) isn't surprising. Seen glimpse of it in games.

Dalot having the highest top speed is surprising for me, haven't seen that in games. His agility and acceleration are rapid of course, but also top speed?! wow.

The rest are as expected.
Bailly and Pogba doesn't have high top speed, so clear in games. Both of them are so agile and quick accelerating in short to mid distances. Pogba is way fast on-the-ball than off-the-ball. Jones and Smalling having high top speed is the same thing, seen it many times in games - those many times where they hurriedly sprint back to defend counters, very fast.

I think similar to Shaw, Bailly is also instructed to not give 100%, we know his injury record, which explained his slightly lower number. I swear I've seen him sprint long distance way faster than Lindelof ever did in games. Should be somewhere at 11 to 12.

Case of Shaw though. Before that big injury he had, he was so rapid in games, definitely will be one of top best high up this list. Since then, can't see that rapid top speed any more so his normal speed now should be more at 13 to 15 -- he's a lot slower now for me in games when sprinting but not that slow because he's still fast enough than the snails and still have his good acceleration. And I believe what Shaw claimed "the coaches told him to not give 100% in the speed test" (something like that) is true as a precaution to not risk his injury (the test is ran during pre-season and there were reports of Shaw getting a knock in trainings, he also got injuries during this time twice iirc).

What's more important?
Acceleration, agility/change of directions, repetitions of movements and on-the-ball quickness are far more important than just top speed in football matches.

 

[Johan07]

Top speed is not that relevant.
Something like the 30-yard dash they to in American football would be interesting to see the stats for. A ltb surprised that we are not using something similar instead of this. Its not many times in a football game that you even will reach your top speed, whatever that may be.

 

[MalcolmTucker]

Yet he did ran at/or close to full speed (+90%) anyway.

I bet you're an excellent driver

 

[ChaddyP]

I get that but how is Mata faster than Shaw still ?

He's not faster. Even if they have the same top speed he's NOT faster. Top speed is almost Meaningless

 

[kouroux]

He's not faster. Even if they have the same top speed he's NOT faster. Top speed is almost Meaningless

It just depends on the context but it still is funny to imagine that Shaw's top speed is lower than Mata's.

 

[ChaddyP]

It just depends on the context but it still is funny to imagine that Shaw's top speed is lower than Mata's.

By like 1/10 th of a mile. Even then it wasn't actually a speed test anyway. Looked like data from a session. Luke said he was told not to go all out, and he had a hammy strain when this was going on anyway. I wanna laugh too but there's no basis in any of this

 

[kouroux]

By like 1/10 th of a mile. Even then it wasn't actually a speed test anyway. Looked like data from a session. Luke said he was told not to go all out, and he had a hammy strain when this was going on anyway. I wanna laugh too but there's no basis in any of this

Of course there is, Mata being barely faster than a recovering Shaw who wasn't at 100% is funny. It depends on what one wanna focus on.

 

[Halftrack]

Yet he did ran at/or close to full speed (+90%) anyway.

You're being incredibly pedantic here. This is, in all likelyhood, top speeds recorded during a training session. All it tells you is that in one sprint, Shaw pushed harder than the coaches wanted him to. Everyone, including Shaw, understands that his recorded speed is not 70% of his actual top speed.

 

[MVBDX]

You're being incredibly pedantic here. This is, in all likelyhood, top speeds recorded during a training session. All it tells you is that in one sprint, Shaw pushed harder than the coaches wanted him to. Everyone, including Shaw, understands that his recorded speed is not 70% of his actual top speed.

That's the thing, coaches asked him to take it easy (70%), but he ran close to full speed anyway, to not look bad or whatever, yet he speaks as if he has actually run at 70% or thereabouts. He knows it, we know it, but he lies about it anyway

 

[MalcolmTucker]

That's the thing, coaches asked him to take it easy (70%), but he ran close to full speed anyway, to not look bad or whatever, yet he speaks as if he has actually run at 70% or thereabouts. He knows it, we know it, but he lies about it anyway

And everyone other than you realises that he nor his coaches literally meant run at 70% his full speed. 70% is an arbitary number which just means 'he took it a little easy on this session' and that's how everyone other than you took it.

You're the sort of person that leaves a one-star review on amazon complaining because The Neverending Story had an ending.

 

[MVBDX]

And everyone other than you realises that he nor his coaches literally meant run at 70% his full speed. 70% is an arbitary number which just means 'he took it a little easy on this session' and that's how everyone other than you took it.

You're the sort of person that leaves a one-star review on amazon complaining because The Neverending Story had an ending.

Dude, it's not about the number anymore, it's about the excuse he made, I said we take that "70%" for "taking it easy", but as @Halftrack mentioned it's like he was supposed to take it easy, yet he went close to fullspeed for some reason.

If he was injured and he took it easy as well he wouldn't be getting near those numbers, he'd record a way way lower speed, not close to his fullspeed. You're the sort of person who gets a broken product yet leaves a 5 star review, one of those corporate apologists, just because.

 

[roonster09]

And everyone other than you realises that he nor his coaches literally meant run at 70% his full speed. 70% is an arbitary number which just means 'he took it a little easy on this session' and that's how everyone other than you took it.

You're the sort of person that leaves a one-star review on amazon complaining because The Neverending Story had an ending.

That's gold.

 

[roonster09]

That's the thing, coaches asked him to take it easy (70%), but he ran close to full speed anyway, to not look bad or whatever, yet he speaks as if he has actually run at 70% or thereabouts. He knows it, we know it, but he lies about it anyway

 

[Varun]

It was a run to the cafeteria ffs

 

[mu4c_20le]

You're the sort of person that leaves a one-star review on amazon complaining because The Neverending Story had an ending.

Bet you had that one saved up in your library of comebacks... under the folder titled 'pedantic'

 

[macheda14]

Dude, it's not about the number anymore, it's about the excuse he made, I said we take that "70%" for "taking it easy", but as @Halftrack mentioned it's like he was supposed to take it easy, yet he went close to fullspeed for some reason.

If he was injured and he took it easy as well he wouldn't be getting near those numbers, he'd record a way way lower speed, not close to his fullspeed. You're the sort of person who gets a broken product yet leaves a 5 star review, one of those corporate apologists, just because.

1, bad come back. You shouldn’t have tried, you got done there.
2, I don’t know if you’ve ever sprinted in your life. But ‘give it about 70% of effort’ you could get pretty near your top speed, it’s those extra few km/h that really take it out of you. If I can hit a top speed of 30 km/h I’d find it not too hard to get to 25/26, but hitting that extra gear and getting up to 30 is where I really have to push.

 

[K13]

But ‘give it about 70% of effort’ you could get pretty near your top speed, it’s those extra few km/h that really take it out of you. If I can hit a top speed of 30 km/h I’d find it not too hard to get to 25/26, but hitting that extra gear and getting up to 30 is where I really have to push.

Agree .. when you are told by the physio or trainer to go at 70/80 or even 90% you just really make sure you don't go flat out

 

[macheda14]

This reminds you how fast footballers really are. Even Mata who is widely regarded as slow can run 100 metres in about 11.3 seconds. Most of us (well the fit ones) would be around 14/13 or 12 at a push.

 

[ivaldo]

Dude, it's not about the number anymore, it's about the excuse he made, I said we take that "70%" for "taking it easy", but as @Halftrack mentioned it's like he was supposed to take it easy, yet he went close to fullspeed for some reason.

If he was injured and he took it easy as well he wouldn't be getting near those numbers, he'd record a way way lower speed, not close to his fullspeed. You're the sort of person who gets a broken product yet leaves a 5 star review, one of those corporate apologists, just because.

I can imagine Luke Shaw power walking with a coach behind pushing a surveyors wheel and holding a stop watch.

 

[WR10]

This reminds you how fast footballers really are. Even Mata who is widely regarded as slow can run 100 metres in about 11.3 seconds. Most of us (well the fit ones) would be around 14/13 or 12 at a push.

You think Mata is going to maintain top speed for 11.3seconds?

I can’t believe that people on here are still making any inferences from these useless numbers

 

[macheda14]

You think Mata is going to maintain top speed for 11.3seconds?

I can’t believe that people on here are still making any inferences from these useless numbers

He could easily maintain it - he's a footballer and incredibly fit. It's more how long does it take him to get up to top speed.

 

[roonster09]

It was a run to the cafeteria ffs

 

[WR10]

He could easily maintain it - he's a footballer and incredibly fit. It's more how long does it take him to get up to top speed.

Ok I’ll entertain this for a second. The most elite sprinters can maintain top speed for a max of 40m in a 100m full out dash. Usain bolts world record 100m ran a top speed of 44km/h with an average speed of ~37km/h. That’s ~85% of top speed. So if Mata was to put in an equal effort as usain bolt for a 100m he would - at absolute best - get a ~13.5sec finish on a 100m.

Yes some year 9 kids are most likely to beat Mata in a 100m dash. Who the feck cares though?

 

[macheda14]

Ok I’ll entertain this for a second. The most elite sprinters can maintain top speed for a max of 40m in a 100m full out dash. Usain bolts world record 100m ran a top speed of 44km/h with an average speed of ~37km/h. That’s ~85% of top speed. So if Mata was to put in an equal effort as usain bolt for a 100m he would - at absolute best - get a ~13.5sec finish on a 100m.

Yes some year 9 kids are most likely to beat Mata in a 100m dash. Who the feck cares though?

All fair points made by someone more knowledgeable on the subject than me. Backed with statistics/evidence. However, I’m going to disagree with you anyway because that’s how the internet works nowadays.

 

[Timdbro]

You're only seeing 10% of what they can do.

 

[WR10]

All fair points made by someone more knowledgeable on the subject than me. Backed with statistics/evidence. However, I’m going to disagree with you anyway because that’s how the internet works nowadays.

Fair enough, our discussion was as useless as the set of numbers anyway

 

[HackeyC]

So at 100% he'd be over 44.3(km/h) while the fastest human is at 45, seems legit.

In fairness I think he is referring to effort as opposed to top speed, no different to Michael Johnson in the 1st 100m of a 400m race.

 

[Snow]

Isn't it just maximum speed reached in a particular training session which doesn't really mean a lot (other than maybe a sign of what effort they were putting in). There are always surprises when such results are release at World Cup etc.

There is no way Shaw wouldn't beat Mata's top speed in any sprint.

Training stats are such bullshit in a vaccum, players have been gaming them for years by making meaningless sprints during training to pump their numbers etc. I know a few managers that had this equipment when they were training and now don't put too much stock into them as managers as far these kind of stats. Unless they are specifically measuring sprints over 40m or whatever there's not much point discussing this.

 

[fps]

110% is just used to show you're going to give all you've got. While 70% is allegedly the number he was told to perform, which in Layman's terms means far from your top level, although going by the numbers he's most definitely performed at over 90% (unless he's super fast), which wouldn't be far from his peak condition.

So it sounds like an excuse more than anything.

You try sprinting at literally 70% of your full speed, and see how accurate you are. Ridiculous post.