Alexis offered to Roma

[crossy1686]

There are not enough goals in the team and we were already basically counting on Sanchez to chip in a lot more. I was fine with that on the basis there was no alternative. Now we are just being destructive to our own chances.

Take Sanchez out and instead of gambling on him and some untried youngsters to fill the gaps, you're putting all the pressure on the youngsters.

Greenwood in particular is a fantastic talent, but how many goals did even someone like Ronaldo or Messi get at that age? Not many. It's a ridiculous situation to put the squad in.

Unless Sanchez is causing a lot of problems with team harmony j don't get it...and even if he was that meant signing another forward was not really a choice.

He's only scored 3 goals in the league in 18 months, 4 in total for United. He obviously feels he should be first choice for LW but we have better and more potent options in that position now.

He's literally looking to move to Inter because they've just sold their LW and there's zero competition for him. If he had any backbone or was convinced by his own ability he'd have Rashford or Martial out of the team in a couple of weeks but the fact he'd rather run off to Italy instead of fighting for his place with a 21 year old Championship player says everything you need to know really.

 

[kouroux]

not as stupid as relying on Sanchez to get you goals and results.

I'm honestly torn about the whole thing. On one hand I'd be happy to see gone but on the other we'd be even thinner in terms of squad depth. For me it's not as much relying on Sanchez as in having a player we'd use when (not if) injury crisis hit us.

 

[crossy1686]

I'm honestly torn about the whole thing. On one hand I'd be happy to see gone but on the other we'd be even thinner in terms of squad depth. For me it's not as much relying on Sanchez as in having a player we'd use when (not if) injury crisis hit us.

The problem is that he'd probably be part of the injury crisis. He can't stay fit

 

[dev1l]

No medical today for Sanchez..
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/alexis-sanchez-arrives-man-utd-18968893.amp?

 

[Tarrou]

would not have minded him on the bench against Wolves, as shit as he is we've got nothing on the bench

 

[kouroux]

The problem is that he'd probably be part of the injury crisis. He can't stay fit

And then we'd be back to square one. The real issue is the lack of attacking signing, if we had done that, I wouldn't give a shit anymore about Sanchez.

 

[crossy1686]

And then we'd be back to square one. The real issue is the lack of attacking signing, if we had done that, I wouldn't give a shit anymore about Sanchez.

Agree that this is the sticking point for most people but I say loan him out and see what January brings. We'd be saving money sending him on loan anyway.

 

[KennyBurner]

Okay guys I think he needs to stay. After lingards performance yesterday I don’t feel we can continue using him as a 10. We are still yet to try Sanchez in any position other than the left. It wouldn’t make any sense to let him go without at least trying. We are also to thin on attacking options. We can’t depend on youngsters in the team over the course of a season. It’s an inconsistent plan.

Sanchez wants to leave because things haven’t worked out for him so far but we are also partly to blame because we haven’t shown any faith in him since Ole has come in. Let’s try him out in the next game if he isn’t injured. Pretty sure he could provide some threat in the form of goals that we seriously lack from lingard.

 

[SteveW]

Nope. We should just get shot of him. He's been terrible and doesn't fit into Ole's style. Time to just accept that and let him go play football somewhere else.

 

[Raw]

Okay guys I think he needs to stay. After lingards performance yesterday I don’t feel we can continue using him as a 10. We are still yet to try Sanchez in any position other than the left. It wouldn’t make any sense to let him go without at least trying. We are also to thin on attacking options. We can’t depend on youngsters in the team over the course of a season. It’s an inconsistent plan.

Sanchez wants to leave because things haven’t worked out for him so far but we are also partly to blame because we haven’t shown any faith in him since Ole has come in. Let’s try him out in the next game if he isn’t injured. Pretty sure he could provide some threat in the form of goals that we seriously lack from lingard.

If it doesn't work out, then we're stuck with an expensive player who doesn't want to be there and will have to wait until January to have the chance to offload him again. I'd rather just start integrating Gomes into the team. If it works, brilliant, if it doesn't then at least he's not stinking up the place.

 

[RedRonaldo]

This is an absolute ridiculous decision when you consider how short of options we are up front.

Our go to bench options tonight with a fully fit squad were Mata and a 17 year old...and that's with Daniel James and Lingard in the team!

Getting rid of Sanchez means that as soon as one of Rashford or Martial get injured or need a rest our season is over.

You really rate Sanchez that high?
Do you know he has been by far our worst forward in past 1.5 years?

 

[sunama]

I suppose paying 50% of his wages for zero return is better than paying 100% of his wages for zero return.........

That's a very good point, you make.
And looking at this way - the deal gets my thumbs up.
Sanchez is a busted flush. I have no idea how a player can go from one of the best in the league, 18 months later, he isn't worthy of making our bench.
His decline has been extraordinary.

Falcao is the only other player I can think of in this category, though Falcao did have a serious injury.

 

[sunama]

Not sure we can let another attacker go.

He isn't really an attacker.
He is a player who sits on our bench some of the time and the other time, he is injured. Sometimes he is making movies in another country.
He rarely plays and when he does, he is quite ineffective.

 

[Wheato]

Yep, let's cut our losses and move on. He's a crock and past his best. I would put Tahith Chong on the pitch before Sanchez right now.

 

[Stubble]

I'd give Sanchez a run at the 10 position some games until Jan instead of Lingard/Mata and move him on then if it doesn't work out. We're already pretty thin attacking wise and having only the youngsters as backup could bite us in the ass once our yearly injury crisis bites...

 

[Amarsdd]

I don't understand people saying we need to keep him to because we lack numbers in attack. What has he done since he has come to say that he would be of any use now playing for us now? Keeping him would only cause more unrest in him and to other players around him. I would much rather give his playing time to a 16 year old from the academy whatever the situation.

 

[dev1l]

From the various fees branded around I tried to make a summary of options for us:

Yr 1: MU pay 8 million euros wages, Inter pay 4 million wages and player plays for Inter
Yr 2: Inter pay MU 15 m euros for transfer. (if they exert option)

Or Sanchez stays at MU
Yr 1. MU pay 14m euros wages
Yr 2. MU pay 14m euros wages

(Player apparently accepted a discount of 1-2 million euros should he move to Inter now).

This is from what was reported in.the media,which will not be necessary correct

 

[red4ever 79]

I'd prefer to register one of his dogs and see if he can do a better job in the hole

 

[Powderfinger]

As a neutral, I have to agree with Noodlehair and others arguing that selling Alexis is a dumb idea. He has been shit since joining you but at least he is an experienced professional who has done it at the highest level and isn't actually that old. Even if he is nowhere near his past self, he has a better chance of being an impact player as a substitute or injury option than Greenwood, Chong, or Gomes.

Supporters of every club tend to really, really overrate the odds of 17-18 year old players doing much of anything useful in first team football. Messi scored one league goal as a 17 year old and six as an 18 year old. Cristiano scored four league goals for United in 29 matches in the year he started at 18 and turned 19. Hazard scored four goals in 30 matches in Ligue 1 the season he turned 18 then five in 37 matches the following year at 19. And these are the most talented attacking players in the game.

Greenwood, Gomes, and Chong might become great players in time but the odds of them really helping the attack significantly this year are very small. While Sanchez might not help much either, he at least has some chance of regaining a bit of form and being a helpful attacking option when used selectively. Loaning him is stupid, especially when all that is gained is a little temporary salary relief.

 

[Sandikan]

If we do ship him off, we're basically relying on Rashford and Martial to be able to start about 45 games each.

If they don't, we're into Greenwood, a totally green kid, and young wingers!
Could get pretty bumpy and you'd imagine we'd be forced into the market in Jan either way.

 

[Pexbo]

If we do ship him off, we're basically relying on Rashford and Martial to be able to start about 45 games each.

If they don't, we're into Greenwood, a totally green kid, and young wingers!
Could get pretty bumpy and you'd imagine we'd be forced into the market in Jan either way.

Exciting isn’t it?

 

[jem]

I think it's crazy to offload him now. Yes, he's been a disaster signing, but we have next to zero depth should Rashford and/or Martial go down (and it's a bit worrying to be so reliant on two players who have been anything but consistent to this point in their careers.) Why we didn't bring in any more attacking players, I'll never know, but selling Sanchez would only seem to highlight that mistake rather than mitigate it. As well, why was Ole saying only just a few days ago that Sanchez would play an important role for us this year, if that clearly isn't going to be the case?

 

[ReddBalls]

Okay guys I think he needs to stay. After lingards performance yesterday I don’t feel we can continue using him as a 10. We are still yet to try Sanchez in any position other than the left. It wouldn’t make any sense to let him go without at least trying. We are also to thin on attacking options. We can’t depend on youngsters in the team over the course of a season. It’s an inconsistent plan.

Sanchez wants to leave because things haven’t worked out for him so far but we are also partly to blame because we haven’t shown any faith in him since Ole has come in. Let’s try him out in the next game if he isn’t injured. Pretty sure he could provide some threat in the form of goals that we seriously lack from lingard.

Lingard is ten times the player Sanchez is as of now. Lingard can definitely be improved on, but based on the last 18 months, Sanchez is a downgrade.

 

[ArjenIsM3]

If we do ship him off, we're basically relying on Rashford and Martial to be able to start about 45 games each.

If they don't, we're into Greenwood, a totally green kid, and young wingers!
Could get pretty bumpy and you'd imagine we'd be forced into the market in Jan either way.

Could always get Llorente in

 

[Crustanoid]

Has he gone yet?

 

[Enigma_87]

And then we'd be back to square one. The real issue is the lack of attacking signing, if we had done that, I wouldn't give a shit anymore about Sanchez.

I doubt anyone would bat an eyelid. Even Llorente would be decent at this stage, just to offer something we lack - experience and option from the bench.

However we put ourselves in this situation.

 

[NWRed]

As a neutral, I have to agree with Noodlehair and others arguing that selling Alexis is a dumb idea. He has been shit since joining you but at least he is an experienced professional who has done it at the highest level and isn't actually that old. Even if he is nowhere near his past self, he has a better chance of being an impact player as a substitute or injury option than Greenwood, Chong, or Gomes.

Supporters of every club tend to really, really overrate the odds of 17-18 year old players doing much of anything useful in first team football. Messi scored one league goal as a 17 year old and six as an 18 year old. Cristiano scored four league goals for United in 29 matches in the year he started at 18 and turned 19. Hazard scored four goals in 30 matches in Ligue 1 the season he turned 18 then five in 37 matches the following year at 19. And these are the most talented attacking players in the game.

Greenwood, Gomes, and Chong might become great players in time but the odds of them really helping the attack significantly this year are very small. While Sanchez might not help much either, he at least has some chance of regaining a bit of form and being a helpful attacking option when used selectively. Loaning him is stupid, especially when all that is gained is a little temporary salary relief.

This isn't the point, I don't want Ole to play Greenwood, Gomes and Chong because I expect them to win us the league this season, I expect them to perform ok relative to players they'd be replacing, and to develop more quickly as a result of playing.

 

[Crashoutcassius]

If this is a 2 year loan with an option to buy and we are picking up half his wages or something... it is nuts. Pay him to play whatever decent years he has at inter while we have next to no attackers and then take him back on 500k at 32

 

[Fıstıkçı Şahap]

Loaning him and subsidizing the most of his wages (something like 75%) would be an idiotic enough move I'd exactly expect from us & Woodward. We did it with Nani who was our last RW which is a joke in itself. We almost run him out of town when we lacked wingers and then complained about lack of wingers, creativity etc. This club still didn't bring in a winger that is even half as good as Nani.

Absolutely no point getting rid of a player who was the best player in PL just 2 years ago when you're already thin in that area. Loan him out and pay his wages; it's even more stupid. People dreaming about 17 years old kids coming and making these places their own like it's the youth cup they'd be playing in. It's not Football Manager where your regens quickly take over from the old ones. You couldn't just throw them in the games when you are still trying to find your feet as a team. We could've done that if we had a winning team like City but we don't. We must introduce them slowly.

Okay guys I think he needs to stay. After lingards performance yesterday I don’t feel we can continue using him as a 10. We are still yet to try Sanchez in any position other than the left. It wouldn’t make any sense to let him go without at least trying. We are also to thin on attacking options. We can’t depend on youngsters in the team over the course of a season. It’s an inconsistent plan.

Sanchez wants to leave because things haven’t worked out for him so far but we are also partly to blame because we haven’t shown any faith in him since Ole has come in. Let’s try him out in the next game if he isn’t injured. Pretty sure he could provide some threat in the form of goals that we seriously lack from lingard.

Agreed. If Sanchez finds some kind of form that'd probably be our best front four right now :

---------------------------Martial------------------------------

Rashford-----------------Sanchez---------------Lingard/James
​

 

[Casanova85]

Agreed. If Sanchez finds some kind of form that'd probably be our best front four right now :

​

He won't. That's the point. The bloke has found his own version of "Ronaldinho post 2007".

 

[Eternitiy]

I think we tried to sign him when he was at Udinese before he went to Barcelona. He would have been perfect for Ferguson's United.

The Alexis we signed from Arsenal has been horrific. Our transfer strategy post Ferguson signing fading stars past their prime for obscene money has been atrocious.

At this point, I don't care if he goes. We need the squad depth, but he's shown nothing to suggest he'll return to anywhere near his best, so why limit the chances of our upcoming talent?

 

[fergiesarmy1]

He is supposedly causing some issues as well apart from the obvious money one. Didn’t he kick off with one of the young lads in training for daring to tackle him?

 

[BeforeKeanetherewasRobson]

As a neutral, I have to agree with Noodlehair and others arguing that selling Alexis is a dumb idea. He has been shit since joining you but at least he is an experienced professional who has done it at the highest level and isn't actually that old. Even if he is nowhere near his past self, he has a better chance of being an impact player as a substitute or injury option than Greenwood, Chong, or Gomes.

Supporters of every club tend to really, really overrate the odds of 17-18 year old players doing much of anything useful in first team football. Messi scored one league goal as a 17 year old and six as an 18 year old. Cristiano scored four league goals for United in 29 matches in the year he started at 18 and turned 19. Hazard scored four goals in 30 matches in Ligue 1 the season he turned 18 then five in 37 matches the following year at 19. And these are the most talented attacking players in the game.

Greenwood, Gomes, and Chong might become great players in time but the odds of them really helping the attack significantly this year are very small. While Sanchez might not help much either, he at least has some chance of regaining a bit of form and being a helpful attacking option when used selectively. Loaning him is stupid, especially when all that is gained is a little temporary salary relief.

The odds of Sanchez helping the attack are smaller.

 

[KennyBurner]

Lingard is ten times the player Sanchez is as of now. Lingard can definitely be improved on, but based on the last 18 months, Sanchez is a downgrade.

The same lingard that hasn’t scored a league goal in 2019 and is also 27 can be improved on? He is not a young player so let’s not debate like he is. Sanchez has been a worldclass player in the past and is just 30. Lingard has peaked at a decent player level. Our best bet is to take the risk before the foreign window closes and see how he performs this weekend if he isn’t injured. What we lack is quality number 10 now that Pogba is playing much deeper. Gomes is too young to be thrown in consistently over the season while peirerra and lingard aren’t good enough.

Don’t even know why we are debating him when I’m reading on Twitter that his move to Inter Milan is almost done.

 

[sammsky1]

As a neutral, I have to agree with Noodlehair and others arguing that selling Alexis is a dumb idea. He has been shit since joining you but at least he is an experienced professional who has done it at the highest level and isn't actually that old. Even if he is nowhere near his past self, he has a better chance of being an impact player as a substitute or injury option than Greenwood, Chong, or Gomes.

Supporters of every club tend to really, really overrate the odds of 17-18 year old players doing much of anything useful in first team football. Messi scored one league goal as a 17 year old and six as an 18 year old. Cristiano scored four league goals for United in 29 matches in the year he started at 18 and turned 19. Hazard scored four goals in 30 matches in Ligue 1 the season he turned 18 then five in 37 matches the following year at 19. And these are the most talented attacking players in the game.

Greenwood, Gomes, and Chong might become great players in time but the odds of them really helping the attack significantly this year are very small. While Sanchez might not help much either, he at least has some chance of regaining a bit of form and being a helpful attacking option when used selectively. Loaning him is stupid, especially when all that is gained is a little temporary salary relief.

Loaning him and subsidizing the most of his wages (something like 75%) would be an idiotic enough move I'd exactly expect from us & Woodward. We did it with Nani who was our last RW which is a joke in itself. We almost run him out of town when we lacked wingers and then complained about lack of wingers, creativity etc. This club still didn't bring in a winger that is even half as good as Nani.

Absolutely no point getting rid of a player who was the best player in PL just 2 years ago when you're already thin in that area. Loan him out and pay his wages; it's even more stupid. People dreaming about 17 years old kids coming and making these places their own like it's the youth cup they'd be playing in. It's not Football Manager where your regens quickly take over from the old ones. You couldn't just throw them in the games when you are still trying to find your feet as a team. We could've done that if we had a winning team like City but we don't. We must introduce them slowly.



Agreed. If Sanchez finds some kind of form that'd probably be our best front four right now :

---------------------------Martial------------------------------

Rashford-----------------Sanchez---------------Lingard/James
​

I'm not a fan of throwing in 17-19 year olds in a haphazard and unplanned manner, and like Mourinho prefer players in mid 20s, who have worked through teething problems and have experience and consistency.

But in this case, we have seen more than enough of Sanchez last season, and coaches will have seen enough in pre season to predict he will not deliver better than the likes of Greenwood, Chong, or Gomes.

Sanchez has been an absolute disaster and seems unable to be worthy of a squad place. The reasons are likely to be many and complex. But it is what it is. Hoping it will change is the sunken cost fallacy.

Given it's yet another 'transition' year season about forming a new style of play, new in field player relationships and camaraderie etc, we should get rid. He has no place in our long term plans and so will simply use up minutes better utilised by players we have plans for.

I don't blame him for his earnings, or loss of form. I'm sure he tries his best. But he doesnt work at this club. Move him on, with best wishes, asap.

 

[pascell]

He is supposedly causing some issues as well apart from the obvious money one. Didn’t he kick off with one of the young lads in training for daring to tackle him?

Yeah, Lingard.

 

[KetilOwren88]

Something tells me that United will sign Llorente on a 1 or 2-year deal if Sánchez leaves, which he should.

 

[captain666]

Does the Inter loan deal contain an obligation to buy or just an option?

 

[Sandikan]

I think it's crazy to offload him now. Yes, he's been a disaster signing, but we have next to zero depth should Rashford and/or Martial go down (and it's a bit worrying to be so reliant on two players who have been anything but consistent to this point in their careers.) Why we didn't bring in any more attacking players, I'll never know, but selling Sanchez would only seem to highlight that mistake rather than mitigate it. As well, why was Ole saying only just a few days ago that Sanchez would play an important role for us this year, if that clearly isn't going to be the case?

Agree.
The sound bites were clearly just that.
He couldn't say the truth, that we're feverishly trying to ship him out

 

[NinjaZombie]

If he's gone, that means the likes of Gomes, Greenwood and Chong can get their games.

Honestly, this season is already a bust (in terms of winning the league/trophies), we might as well suck it up like we did 2003-2006, sell players who will not be part of the future, and develop the talented youngsters that we have on our hands.