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I don't hate him, but he's a legend in his own mind only. You need somebody dependable in that role and he goes through 6-7 games being poor and then has a good half a match. Ole obviously likes him, personally I would drop him to the bench, as that is his level IMHO. We need a very good 10, Mata is just not quick enough anymore. James and Rashford on the wings with Martial as first choice CF. Pogba is not a 10, he is a CM player, we need a quality sweeper behind him to do the running and defensive work. A quality 10 infront of him to get goals and create more chances.

Above all we need more players, our squad is way too light in quality and numbers.
 

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rumour has it, he wants the Number 7 shirt... would pretty much sum up where we are if he got it
 

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He's living off his goal against Panama, thinking he can curl a 25 yarder past a professional goalkeeper.
 
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Can't help but to think He's gonna be another case of Macheda/Cleverley if He leaves ManUnited. No longer "young" and nonproductive in his preferred position. He only gets as much popularity because of ManUnited.

Maybe a middle/lower table club will sign him and then He'll go to the lower level club, slowly disappearing from football world. This isn't hate, He's simply not good enough.
 

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I don't hate Lingard. It's just that he really doesn't belong at a club like United. He should be at a much lesser club. We're just hanging to players like this becuase of sentiment. Even when it comes to squad players, we can do much better.

I used to feel he could play a part but he's 27 and even at his supposed peak he's not got enough. At the end of the day if you can't score ans assist, aren't particularly quick or a very good passer, is there really any point?
 

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Choosing Lingard as our scapegoat is so two weeks ago. All the cool kids are blaming Lindelof or Rashford now. Contemporize, daddy-o.
 

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Choosing Lingard as our scapegoat is so two weeks ago. All the cool kids are blaming Lindelof or Rashford now. Contemporize, daddy-o.
well he only played a few mins of last game.... but as you'll see above people are still finding a way to blame him, as well as blame rchford's performances on hanging out with him. delusional
 

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well he only played a few mins of last game.... but as you'll see above people are still finding a way to blame him, as well as blame rchford's performances on hanging out with him. delusional
The reason why we look at him, it was the 81st minute and there was clearly a player on the right who is open, pass and get into the box.

He can take a shot on if he has been scoring goals but guess what we have a CAM who hasn't even had a shot on target this season?
 

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He's precisely the type of player we should try to sell in Jan window. He's English and no doubt that some PL managers will be sold on his work-rate and movement. Use those funds to buy an actual footballer.
 

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The reason why we look at him, it was the 81st minute and there was clearly a player on the right who is open, pass and get into the box.

He can take a shot on if he has been scoring goals but guess what we have a CAM who hasn't even had a shot on target this season?
ah yes, the pivotal moment of the game
 

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The reason why we look at him, it was the 81st minute and there was clearly a player on the right who is open, pass and get into the box.

He can take a shot on if he has been scoring goals but guess what we have a CAM who hasn't even had a shot on target this season?
The greenwood ball was the easy ball that any player could have made... A very good cam would have been aware of Pogba and the ability to slip him in on his stride or even Rashford who had space.
 

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ah yes, the pivotal moment of the game
Yes, it is pivotal because it would have been a 4 v 4 inside the Saints penalty area?

I would rather have that than someone shooting who has not even had a shot on target this season.
 

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The greenwood ball was the easy ball that any player could have made... A very good cam would have been aware of Pogba and the ability to slip him in on his stride or even Rashford who had space.
I dont think Lingard has the vision to see that pass and play it with the correct weight.

Add this with the criticism he has been getting, he might have thought here is my chance to win the game and shut some critics off. If that is the case, then its very selfish play.
 

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The funny thing is Lingard would usually take that passing option, but I think with everybody moaning at him recently for not scoring enough, he decided to try and shoot and score himself :lol:

A strange irony recently.
 

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He's precisely the type of player we should try to sell in Jan window. He's English and no doubt that some PL managers will be sold on his work-rate and movement. Use those funds to buy an actual footballer.
That's precisely what should happen. What will probably happen though is when/if he scores his annual couple of goals in December, we'll start hearing about contract negotiations and soon after will come the bumper 5-year contract.

I will retain some hope in Ole if he gives up on him completely and starts trying to get him out of the club.
 

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People are moaning at him for not scoring nor assisting.
Yes, but you can see why he ended up being more selfish. I'm just saying it's ironic as in that situation everybody was screaming for the pass.
 

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The greenwood ball was the easy ball that any player could have made... A very good cam would have been aware of Pogba and the ability to slip him in on his stride or even Rashford who had space.
you could take a still of any game and draw an arrow to goal and say pass the ball here... such a ridiculous over analysis
 

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He's obviously going to be criticised because he's worse than our other attacking players. What the feck do you expect?
Exactly, are we supposed to highlight the nonexistent consist threat he brings to the team?

Lingard is a bang average squad player. Not hating, he seems very likable actually but what some call "hating" is just the truth which has an inherent edge to it.
 

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So do I, hence why I wouldn't want Lingard playing there in the majority of games either.

But let's not pretend Lingard's always been as shit as he's been in 2019, whilst also conveniently forgetting the whole team has been shit that entire time. I know it's cool to bash Lingard, but we cannot blame the entire club's downturn in fortunes and form on him. He has contributed and does have something to offer as a squad player. He's not a starting XI quality player, never has been, never will be, and that's not his fault and nor is it fault he gets picked or gets paid what he does. None of that however means he couldn't be a useful member of the squad if used well.

Also, his pressing (and how he creates space for others when we have the ball) may not be tangible and measurable qualities, but refusing to appreciate them as useful qualities isn't a good look.
You're right - he's actually been shittier. Like when he went 9 months in 2018 without a Premier League goal which, quite incredibly, is even longer than his current streak. Thank you for reminding me.
 

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rumour has it, he wants the Number 7 shirt... would pretty much sum up where we are if he got it
:lol: You just can't make it up can you?

Well the number 7 suits him. Not like the ones who donned that jersey after cr7 were performing at any particular level of note.
 

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you could take a still of any game and draw an arrow to goal and say pass the ball here... such a ridiculous over analysis
this isnt a case of taking a still image from an overhead view, this is just a basic slip pass you see literally countless times per game. It is a pass i would expect any professional footballer to make, let alone one who's best position is supposedly as a 10. If people want to give him a pass for not fitting the ball into pogba on the left i could maybeeeee get behind that (although that pass is also pretty decently open for a fake shot cut pass that would have a 90 percent chance of freeing pogba for a glorious chance as well). There are 3 opposition players, and funny enough 1 united player, that are in the way of his supposed "shooting lane"
 

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Exactly, are we supposed to highlight the nonexistent consist threat he brings to the team?

Lingard is a bang average squad player. Not hating, he seems very likable actually but what some call "hating" is just the truth which has an inherent edge to it.
I dont mind having a pressing forward as long as he is contributing to the team going forward.

This season, Lingard has done absolutely nothing going forward. Nothing.
 

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The funny thing is Lingard would usually take that passing option, but I think with everybody moaning at him recently for not scoring enough, he decided to try and shoot and score himself :lol:

A strange irony recently.
Not sure I agree with that because in pretty much every game he played earlier in the season he had many easy opportunities to slip in Martial and for whatever reason he either didn’t see it or ignored it. He would do the same a lot last season. It’s like he is either scared to play the final ball or is just wanting to to try and take the spotlight with something audacious.

I mean I can understand why he would be scared to play the final ball as his passing is terrible but it’s easy passes he is passing up which my granny could make from her grave.
 

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Can we have a party when J Lingz eventually leaves the club please...
 

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Not sure I agree with that because in pretty much every game he played earlier in the season he had many easy opportunities to slip in Martial and for whatever reason he either didn’t see it or ignored it. He would do the same a lot last season. It’s like he is either scared to play the final ball or is just wanting to to try and take the spotlight with something audacious.

I mean I can understand why he would be scared to play the final ball as his passing is terrible but it’s easy passes he is passing up which my granny could make from her grave.
Exactly, if you are chosen to play a No 10 role, this is a role where you feed the strikers and wingers, not shoot at sight when there is a 4 v 4 developing in the penalty area.

Lingard has the running power, pressing but unfortunately he doesn't know when / which ball to play.

What annoys me is that Ole has changed the system and put Lingard as a 10 because and Pogba Deeper?

Lingard on the wing last year was a shambles kept and was caught out of position every time.

He needs to be dropped into the Reserves.
 

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I will never understand Lingard’s popularity with younger kids. I’m not even that old myself, but I’m just baffled. Is there something so cool about him that I’m missing?
 

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I will never understand Lingard’s popularity with younger kids. I’m not even that old myself, but I’m just baffled. Is there something so cool about him that I’m missing?
i suspect he might be seen as the 'cool dude' - specially his social media presence... other than that, zilch.
 

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Just clocked he has 1 goal and 0 assists in all competitions this calendar year.

fecking hell :houllier:
 

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I am just happy his performances are being highlighted. He's been free riding for years.