Why are we dropping the standards for Ole?

[Sky1981]

Difference is, we call Jose the shit era, while the same shit served under Ole is called a sweet progression.

Already people are lowering their standard, it's top 6, top 8, first year isn't counted, give him 3 years, etc. While only 3 games in a start of new season.

We might want to give our manager time and patience, but when you start lowering your "top X or sacked" by a good margin compared to even David Moyes then yes, standards have been lowered in favor of Ole

 

[dove]

Same nonsense, different thread.

What do you mean nonsense? If he wasn't our ex player, he wouldn't have made a shortlist of 200 managers to take over as an interim manager. Only 2 reasons he was picked is because as I said, ex player and to "bring back smiles" after a very sad period. That's about it. His managerial credentials had nothing to do with it and people expecting him to turn into SAF are deluded. They ignore how crap we are and just desperately look for any bit of positives to prove Ole deserves at least 5 more years to implement his ideas.

 

[Ban]

Because apparently if you are an ex player who happens to be smiling all the time, you get a free pass.

Yeah, keep making things up.

 

[Kush]

Let's be serious here, we should get 4th. Anything less is doing the bare minimum. Chelsea are transfer banned, lost two of their best prospects (CHO&RLC) to injury, and lost Hazard. They also have a rookie manager in Lampard.

If we can't get 4th over Arsenal it means that we didn't perform above what was expected, and a strong indicator that Ole isn't the right man. Arsenal have a cheap owner, and they ended up loaning Ceballos. If midfield was such a problem for us (it was), why didn't we loan a youngster around McTominay's age to us?

I pretty much agree with this. I don't buy there was simply no one out there in this world who could replace Herrera either permanently or on loan, same applies with Lukaku and Sanchez. Ole wants to trust the youth and that's the kind of side he wants to build otherwise I fail to understand any logic in binning Lukaku on deadline day and Sanchez once the window has closed without already having a replacement in the squad.

Trouble is, I don't think many would apportion blame on Ole, shredding of squad to current state would be entirely on board. Hence, if the current season is a poor one, how do you judge Ole's accountability in that?

If results get back to a reasonable level I would give Ole the whole season and the next summer window. However if after the next 6 league games we are languishing in 8th or 9th for example and can't string some wins together I would not be upset if the club were considering his position.

Rebuild is one thing but dropping points every week will not be acceptable.

Sacking him mid-season is not an option, unless we are really really fecked. Like flirting with relegation and in bottom half. Let him see this season out, and then re-assess at the end of next May.

 

[Adisa]

So your saying to give up on this great club that has given memories that we will always have in the good times and the bad, we had too much of the good times and now because we;re not winning the league every season doesn't mean we should give up. Thats not what a real fan of any football club would even think about. You get behind the club, believe we will be back and better than ever because anything can happen in this beautiful game

This club will be where we are now for a long time to come.
People ask why have we lowered standards for Ole, I don't know what they want. We have been shit for six years. Where we are is where we are regardless of what standard we want.
I personally have given up on this squad. In the summer, I said there were about 5 or 6 I would like to see stay and the rest, I actively wanted rid. When you commit to a mass-clearout, you have to accept you will be shit for a while. This season will make it the 5th time in 7 seasons we don't finish top four. We aren't CL club anymore.
My point is acceot we are shit and have some patience.

 

[Steve Bruce]

We are a spent force as a club, accept it. It's easier that way.

That's some BS right their.

Football is cyclical and we'll come good again, could be in 3 years or 30 but it'll happen.

 

[Bestietom]

Big clubs like United always come back, but we must get the right owners in for to do this. imo

 

[Adisa]

That's some BS right their.

Football is cyclical and we'll come good again, could be in 3 years or 30 but it'll happen.

My post was hyperbolic but that is what I meant. I explain better in the next post.

 

[golden_blunder]

Even the great man would need time to sort this mess out. I think he’s on the right track. He needs time and proper financial backing and better competence from the recruitment team to get his picks in quicker

 

[Ventura]

Let's just fire every manager who doesn't achieve instant success. Let's not give anyone time to take an interesting project forward to a point where it's realistic to expect results. Then see where we are in 20 years and as many managers.

In our state it's going to take time and people will have to be patient or they will have a miserable time.

 

[Eoin McMahon]

What do you mean nonsense? If he wasn't our ex player, he wouldn't have made a shortlist of 200 managers to take over as an interim manager. Only 2 reasons he was picked is because as I said, ex player and to "bring back smiles" after a very sad period. That's about it. His managerial credentials had nothing to do with it and people expecting him to turn into SAF are deluded. They ignore how crap we are and just desperately look for any bit of positives to prove Ole deserves at least 5 more years to implement his ideas.

Funnily enough I've a feeling that the players didn't want or expect him to become permanent manager. On interim appointment and the 10 game win streak where we played the best football since Fergusons era, and then immediately after his position was made permanent its like we had gone back in time a couple months parking the bus at home against Southampton.

It just doesn't make sense how the team just stopped playing the way they were and never returned to that form. Was it players trying to put themselves in the shop window or maybe just a sense of relief that Mourinho was finally gone, who knows but I just can't gauge Ole as a manger yet but I hope we can get some form going and soon.

 

[dove]

Let's just fire every manager who doesn't achieve instant success. Let's not give anyone time to take an interesting project forward to a point where it's realistic to expect results. Then see where we are in 20 years and as many managers.

In our state it's going to take time and people will have to be patient or they will have a miserable time.

We should give time to someone who deserves it and yes, we should sack the managers until we find the right one. It's been proven time and time again that not having a long term manager is pretty much always just as successful as having one. I think our thinking that we desperately must fine a long term manager and holding onto certain "values" is exactly what is holding us back.

 

[Skills]

Which manager haven't we dropped standards for?

 

[Skills]

We should give time to someone who deserves it and yes, we should sack the managers until we find the right one. It's been proven time and time again that not having a long term manager is pretty much always just as successful as having one. I think our thinking that we desperately must fine a long term manager and holding onto certain "values" is exactly what is holding us back.

A big portion of the clubs fans are in love with the managers seat rather than the club itself.

 

[roonster09]

We should give time to someone who deserves it and yes, we should sack the managers until we find the right one. It's been proven time and time again that not having a long term manager is pretty much always just as successful as having one. I think our thinking that we desperately must fine a long term manager and holding onto certain "values" is exactly what is holding us back.

7-8 months, 2 years, 2.5 years, 8 months is the tenure of our last 4 managers (including Ole). If we were desperate for long term manager then Moyes or Van Gaal would have signed extensions. We are looking for the right one and giving 2 years is not outrageous either considering they did good enough job in the first season.

 

[dove]

7-8 months, 2 years, 2.5 years, 8 months is the tenure of our last 4 managers (including Ole). If we were desperate for long term manager then Moyes or Van Gaal would have signed extensions. We are looking for the right one and giving 2 years is not outrageous either considering they did good enough job in the first season.

I meant the fans.

 

[Bestietom]

No matter who comes in as manager, he needs to be backed. Without the backing of the board you can have the best manager in the world and he won't succeed.

 

[Eoin McMahon]

This club will be where we are now for a long time to come.
People ask why have we lowered standards for Ole, I don't know what they want. We have been shit for six years. Where we are is where we are regardless of what standard we want.
I personally have given up on this squad. In the summer, I said there were about 5 or 6 I would like to see stay and the rest, I actively wanted rid. When you commit to a mass-clearout, you have to accept you will be shit for a while. This season will make it the 5th time in 7 seasons we don't finish top four. We aren't CL club anymore.
My point is accept we are shit and have some patience.

Yes and I'll support as long as I'm here.

Its funny you say that you've accepted we are shit and to have patience so basically you'll wait till we are back challenging and winning and you'll be the first person to post a thread about how you've supported the club your whole life and how great the club is.

Good for you man and since this club is so shit that means the is a forum for a shit team. Well anyways that everything I suppose I'll see back on here in 2026 before the Champions League Final. Make sure to make note of you password.

 

[roonster09]

I meant the fans.

Think it's same with every club fans. No one dreams of short term managers, everyone wants stable club, with settled players and managers.

 

[Wibble]

Apologies I rarely get dragged into pointless arguments like that but he was kind of asking for it if you check his previous comments. Still would rather not be considered a mentalist

I was generally thinking of the sky is falling brigade who want to sack Ole 4 games in to a season.

This sort

 

[Eric7C]

The moment Moyes was appointed, the moment Ed said that the performance of the team on the pitch was irrelevant, the moment Jose was allowed to continue after Sevilla - these were all signs that standards had dropped.

Ole is in fact charged with lifting them up again - he knows where they need to be. Whether he is able to or not, only time will tell..

 

[Ban]

Think it's same with every club fans. No one dreams of short term managers, everyone wants stable club, with settled players and managers.

Oh come on, we can't have so much sense here. Give it up.

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

It's been 6 months and only 3 of games and huge amounts of fans are calling for his sacking, so not much if a theory

A huge a amount of fans aren't calling for his sacking, many are happy to give it a lot more time this time around, are passive to whole thing, or can see that Ole has a squad that isn't fit for purpose, so it's very hard to judge him properly.

We all know that it is highly unlikely Ole is a top manager, but we also all know that he is far from been the biggest problem, so sacking him without a whole host of other changes will solve nothing.

A lot of things point to this season been a disaster, but I doubt there's a top manager that will touch us atm, so it'll be interesting to see what Glazers plan is when top 4 is out of reach this time.

 

[romufc]

The fact that we are discussing this shows what some fans know about the football club.

It is clear from the past 6 years, the manager is not the number 1 problem.

The fans seem happy to sack managers if they don't get what? the league? top 4? what is the ambition?

The club from board level has an ambition of top 6 which means the manager gets what he needs to achieve that.

The problem is the fans have high ambitions of winning leagues and the CEO and owners have top 6. That is the problem not the manager.

 

[Enigma_87]

As crazy as it might sound - the worse the manager is - the lower those standards are. Or at least this is the 'United' way.

CL qualification should be the bare minimum for any United manager - fail to produce that and you get axed. Happened to Moyes, happened to LvG and to Jose too as soon it became clear it was unlikely that we will qualify for CL.

Yet we hear now that top 6 is progress.

To answer the question - probably because the owners know the club will be successful on the market regardless of the results - and it has been proven so far. Appointing someone who will appease the fans is a good move for them as they are ready to give him much more time than any other manager that would need to bring results on the back of his credentials.

Sounds a lot like backward thinking, but given the state of our board not entirely implausible.

 

[Kemizee]

I totally agree with you. We are so desperate for Ole to succeed that we are suspending common-sense, we are making every possible excuse for his management. To be honest I have read the most bafflingly nonsensical comments on the café after the draw at Wolves, defeat at Palace and the draw at Southampton. They have basically suggested that those results were due to the lack of investment during the summer window, as if to say that we need £180m worth of investment to beat Wolves, Palace and Southampton. Utter bonkers, yet that is exactly what now masquerades as rationale debate and logic amongst former United players and many United fans including those who run major fan platforms.

According to many United fans, despite the fact that Ole is the coach, in-game tactician, strategist, first team selector, squad rotator, motivator and mentor it is 'not his fault' that United cannot beat Palace at home or 10 man Southampton away, it's the board's fault, it is Moyes fault, it is Van Gaal's fault it is Jose's fault. In fact it is everyone's fault but Ole's.

In a nutshell, yes we have absolutely lowered the bar for Ole and we will lower it some more in order to compensate for his lack of elite level experience and ability to perform at the level required. Let's be clear, I am not one of those who think we need to get rid of him, but let's at least have the courage to hold him accountable.

Bravo. +1

 

[Kemizee]

The point is his first sentence was that any other club with that run of form would sack their manager. And I took the exact manager that most on here want to come here, having the exact same run of form at another club. I'm not shitting on Poch. I'm saying it's a run of form out of context over 2 seasons saying how fecking dumb this thread is.

Yes, we would all love to win the title right away. But football doesn't work like that. You don't just go and become title winners over a summer, even with the best coaches and players in the world. Takes time to build something, and it'll take time for us.

How long for God's sake will Man United keep building. Been hearing of this since 2013. Why are we the only 'Grade A elite club' in the world whole whose rebuild will end once the Rapture is near?

 

[Adisa]

Yes and I'll support as long as I'm here.

Its funny you say that you've accepted we are shit and to have patience so basically you'll wait till we are back challenging and winning and you'll be the first person to post a thread about how you've supported the club your whole life and how great the club is.

Good for you man and since this club is so shit that means the is a forum for a shit team. Well anyways that everything I suppose I'll see back on here in 2026 before the Champions League Final. Make sure to make note of you password.

Accepting we will be crap for a while doesn't mean one is dropping their support.

 

[Havak]

Pochettino has proven himself as a manager and reached the Champions League final last year. They can go down the form is temporary, class is permanent route with him.

Ole doesn’t have that proven pedigree. This might be his level

Garcia got Watford their highest PL points total for yonks and an FA Cup Final to boot.

Overachieving and then underachieving seems to get you sacked still.

 

[Enigma_87]

The point is his first sentence was that any other club with that run of form would sack their manager. And I took the exact manager that most on here want to come here, having the exact same run of form at another club. I'm not shitting on Poch. I'm saying it's a run of form out of context over 2 seasons saying how fecking dumb this thread is.

Yes, we would all love to win the title right away. But football doesn't work like that. You don't just go and become title winners over a summer, even with the best coaches and players in the world. Takes time to build something, and it'll take time for us.

The difference in successful rebuild and unsuccessful one is having the right man to do it. Without him the road becomes longer with every day.

You have to be smart and realize if you have it among your ranks or you need to keep on searching. Giving time to the wrong man is simply delusion.

 

[Eoin McMahon]

Accepting we will be crap for a while doesn't mean one is dropping their support.

You don't have to accept anything thats just an opinion and allowing all the talk and stories about our club that try and put us down and laugh at our expense shouldnt stop you from supporting this club and instead of accepting we're crap how about accepting we'll be back.

 

[Kemizee]

You also have to consider that Sancho might not want to join the club if we are finishing outside the top 4. Same goes for other top players. If City sit outside the top 4 and they cant get Sancho they would sign someone else.

We could finish top 4 and he still wouldn't join us. We need to understand that we are no longer as ambitious and attractive to lot of players anymore. We are just one of the clubs who pay good salaries but on-field progress and determination is sadly absent.

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

Accepting we will be crap for a while doesn't mean one is dropping their support.

People will always use what you said as a stick to try and beat you with, but it's natural to become more passive to the club given the situation.

We are boring, we are been run like a sports car with the handbrake on, and yet we refuse to change to structure, so it's a normal thing to support that slightly differently, but still support the club all the same.

 

[romufc]

Takes time to build something, and it'll take time for us.

Who said that? We have been rebuilding for 6 years.. But yet the likes of City, Barca, Madrid can all build in 2 years and they all have a recruitment policy that means they dont become so crap that they need 10 years to rebuild.

 

[arthurka]

It´s business not a football club, when it hits the profit he will get the boot.

 

[MikeKing]

Who said that? We have been rebuilding for 6 years.. But yet the likes of City, Barca, Madrid can all build in 2 years and they all have a recruitment policy that means they dont become so crap that they need 10 years to rebuild.

True. We've been stuck in the rebuilding process due to the lack of vision, and changing managers haven't helped. We have been trying to build something quick 2 times and not put our whole heart into it really, and gave up on the projects ultimately sacking the managers. Hopefully this time we'll actually clear out the remaining underperforming players and get adequate replacements before Ed gets to sack another manager and just procrastinate the problems further into a new manager.

If Schneiderlin wasn't such a flop for us, then imagine how vital it could have been for us these years to have a reliable solid midfielder playing every game. Just that one good transfer could have made a big difference to both managers. It is incredible how we've suffered from these transfer mistakes and still have yet to replace the likes of Scholes, Carrick, Rooney, Vida, Rio, Evra etc. We've filled the squad with a bunch random players on big money contracts and the culture have been a bit of a mess. Big heads, high shoulders, low ceilings, high pressure. This all needs to change. When Ole smile and say the right things I like it, not because he says it but because it actually shows he is aware of what needs to be done. That is more than you can say for a lot of the fanbase.

 

[Eoin McMahon]

The fact that we are discussing this shows what some fans know about the football club.

It is clear from the past 6 years, the manager is not the number 1 problem.

The fans seem happy to sack managers if they don't get what? the league? top 4? what is the ambition?

The club from board level has an ambition of top 6 which means the manager gets what he needs to achieve that.

The problem is the fans have high ambitions of winning leagues and the CEO and owners have top 6. That is the problem not the manager.

Well there is a number of problems with our club, problems that have been dealt with poorly especially for such a huge club and there are problems that remain and have been allowed to continue.

The very moment that Ferguson and Gill stepped down things at the club were about change drastically and the board were not prepared or able to fill the void left. Football is always changing from roles on the pitch to a new type of staff role and the teams that adapted to these changes are now the clubs that are well run in every department with a consistency that is very notable when comparing to the clubs that didn't change with the times. Spurs, City and Pool are clubs that reacted to these changes and they seem to have little to no problems or blips when dealing with transfers, media or internal issues. We have all them problems and they are embarrassing for our club.

The club has in just 6 years from being almost yearly league winners and in contention for all cups, and feared and respected by smaller clubs to finishing 7th place more times than in the top 4. It was always going to be difficult to replace Fergie and Gill but the lack of preparation or plan of action was just the beginning. The last 6 years is a collection of blunders to mistakes to
misjudgments that should be noted and adapted into a guide on how to mismanage one of the best football teams in the world: Glazer Edition.

Look at the signings to the managers hired its just a utter mess and its tough to see how the owners who dont have and background or idea of what the club stands for and how it feels to support the team from the Stretford end. I would have been one of many that would blame the players for everything or even the manager or staff, their the ones on the field the ones that without them there would be no board, no CEO, no staff, no football. So ill always wait for the day that Glazers are ousted and banned for life from our Theater of Dreams that they almost made the Theater of Nightmares.

Start at the top and work your way to the bottom.

 

[romufc]

True. We've been stuck in the rebuilding process due to the lack of vision, and changing managers haven't helped. We have been trying to build something quick 2 times and not put our whole heart into it really, and gave up on the projects ultimately sacking the managers. Hopefully this time we'll actually clear out the remaining underperforming players and get adequate replacements before Ed gets to sack another manager and just procrastinate the problems further into a new manager.

If Schneiderlin wasn't such a flop for us, then imagine how vital it could have been for us these years to have a reliable solid midfielder playing every game. Just that one good transfer could have made a big difference to both managers. It is incredible how we've suffered from these transfer mistakes and still have yet to replace the likes of Scholes, Carrick, Rooney, Vida, Rio, Evra etc. We've filled the squad with a bunch random players on big money contracts and the culture have been a bit of a mess. Big heads, high shoulders, low ceilings, high pressure. This all needs to change. When Ole smile and say the right things I like it, not because he says it but because it actually shows he is aware of what needs to be done. That is more than you can say for a lot of the fanbase.

Agreed, it has been a real problem for a long time. But with transfers having bad transfers happens to everyone. The thing is when it does, you need to realise it and sort it out, Ed hasn't. Until Ole, we have actually persisted with those bad transfers hoping they will come good. He is now getting rid of them and bringing better in.

How can a CEO of an organisation get things this wrong?
I like Ole because he is not one to blame, he knows what needs to be done and I hope he gets it done.

 

[Treble]

The club has decided that the bad run towards the end of last season had little to do with Ole. So, his work will be estimated on the basis of this season. Results aren't great but performances seem better than the results suggest. So, he will be given time to carry out his youth revolution further. Right now only the threat of getting relegated might get Ole fired. And it doesn't seem realistic.

 

[Castia]

The squad is in such a state it will take time to fix. 6 years of terrible decisions isn’t getting fixed in one summer with a net spend of £70m.

I can see an improvement in the way we play and I’m glad to see the back of Sanchez, Lukaku, Fellaini etc.

He needs backing now, we need quality players in key positions namely midfield and attack.