matt10000
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It is not even end of September and people calling for Ole head. Give the guy a chance ffs
I agree with all 3 of those choices as well as Pocchettino who I think has now hit a wall at Spurs and needs a really big job to motivate himself fully, thing is I don’t see any of the 3 you said or Pocchettino coming in anytime before the end of the season so we’d need a caretaker again and basically be back to square one of where we were when Jose was sacked.If we are sacking Ole then hopefully we sign coaches/managers like Erik ten hag, Tuchel or Nagelsmann. Coaches who have very defined way of playing and also not afraid to take control of the game vs strong opponents.
Don't think any of them are realistic in mid season (doubt Tuchel will leave PSG unless they sack him) but we should be identifying coaches and start building the squad that will suit the manager.
Does not help when you buy players like AWB and Daniel James, even though it is wrong to blame them for the clubs ineptitude.Do you think the squad has enough players that are good enough to keep possession, especially players who can keep possession while also creating chances?
Right so besides the full back positions there's a massive hole in midfield, it's not like Pogba, Andreas and Gomes can be a midfield 3. (Not saying you're suggesting that either)Does not help when you buy players like AWB and Daniel James, even though it is wrong to blame them for the clubs ineptitude.
Some of them are good enough, and we should be able to get 5-6players on the pitch that can actually pass and receive, but does not matter since it takes more than just the technical ability to play possession, and this must be coached and will never happen under the current management. And we are lacking able players in certain positions.
Pogba, Gomes, Pereira(can pass well when given time), Lindelof, Maguire and Martial are all able to play passing football given their ability on the ball and what is needed in their position, coincidentaly these are among our most intelligent players that usually makes non-idiotic decisions when on the ball(PP gets hammered for being the sole player to create something while he has to play with a high degree of risk).
Pogba, Martial and Gomes are the only one with the ability to be relatively press resistent.
Pogba is the only one that can create and score.
Mata does not count because he would still look slow in a veterans game and his new contract should have been as a mascot or as a club ambassador.
Rashford and James could contribute in a similar fashion as Sterling does (final third 1v1 and running in behind) if we had someone that would tell them how to move and to stop shooting from bad positions.
Main issue is our central midfielders and full backs. Positisons that are vital for playing possession based football.
AWB needs to fix his posture when on the ball. Leans over the ball like he is falling forward and makes it difficult for him to control the ball with consistency. Also difficult to pick out a pass when the ball is so close to your feet. Shaw is a lost cause, Young still does not understand that he should recycle the ball to the other side when he gets is closed down. No need for him to play it up to a marked winger with nowhere to go. Matic is closer to Mata in speed every match and McT takes to much time on the ball and his close control and passing is not good enough. Fred is Bailly.
Poch looks to me like the only guy who could break the Pep/Klopp axis, because he actually understands how a high press works. The best Ole can ever manage is third for the foreseeable future, because he is tactically a decade behind these guys.I think if we go for someone it will be Pochettino but the question is Would he want to come to us.
He made comments recently about having little control at Spurs and that he felt more like a coach then a manager; I an only imagine how he would feel working under Woodward.
Forget about Klopp or Pep, he is tactically behind Lampard who only started coaching last year and had no transfer window at Chelsea and also lost their best player.Poch looks to me like the only guy who could break the Pep/Klopp axis, because he actually understands how a high press works. The best Ole can ever manage is third for the foreseeable future, because he is tactically a decade behind these guys.
Problem is that everything needs to get fixed about this squad(and the club for that matter). In an ideal world, the only two among our starting 11 i would build a long term team around is PP(if he did not want to go and his agent was not Raiola) and Martial. And some of the youngsters like Gomes, Laird, Levitt and Greenwood. Rest of the players got serious issues in their abilities or decisionmaking that would create constraints in how the team is set up or can play.Right so besides the full back positions there's a massive hole in midfield, it's not like Pogba, Andreas and Gomes can be a midfield 3. (Not saying you're suggesting that either)
Pereira can pass well sure but it's that given time part that I don't trust with him. Gomes hasn't played enough to say he could handle it regularly.
So theres 2 spaces in midfield (not to mention other question marks about Pogba)
Then you've a forward line of Martial with Rashford and James? Which might work I'd think but Rashford might always want to play centre forward which he isn't looking suited to.
I still would prefer to get into next summer and see if the midfield gets finally fixed.
Scary if true.Forget about Klopp or Pep, he is tactically behind Lampard who only started coaching last year and had no transfer window at Chelsea and also lost their best player.
I don't disagree with your point. My proposal would be a compromise. Ole has brought in good players this summer and they've been some of our best performers this season (as little as that means). He knows the profile we'd be looking for.What has Ole done to even warrant a position as Director Of Football at Manchester United? Serious question.
Get in the best, most qualified people in these crucial positions and call it a day.
He's great but no way he is leaving PSG.Thomas Tuchel. Or someone else who’s modern and with a clear identity. Wow, deja vu!
That's the lie we've started to believe because of Mou's moaning and now Ole. It's simply not true.It hardly matters who the manager is with these players
He bought Maguire and AWB for boatload of cash and both of them were top performers in the PL, it doesn't make one a genius DoF for signing those two. It really is silly to keep our ex players around like ghosts. Get in proper people who know the job.I don't disagree with your point. My proposal would be a compromise. Ole has brought in good players this summer and they've been some of our best performers this season (as little as that means). He knows the profile we'd be looking for.
Maybe I'd make him Head of British talent recruitment and hire a VdS for the top position? In any case, it's clear we're getting nowhere with Mr Big dick investment banker in charge of football matters.
So just let Ole stay to build his team.We don't have the right players to suit any manager. We can't deny that we are in dire need of a massive rebuild. Any manager will need atleast two seasons to make it his.
I would be wary of appointing Allegri. According to Wikipedia he's most famous for Miserere
If you beat us by less than 6-0 on Wednesday, you might consider Darren Ferguson, whose Peterborough lot managed that feat (helped by some spectacularly inept defending).
Say this again after the Arsenal and Liverpool game.....It is not even end of September and people calling for Ole head. Give the guy a chance ffs
I think we have other options but i do agree with the overall sentiment of your post. Ole is a decade late and thats a terrible thing in todays football. The great managers of the past decade arent doing all that well.Poch looks to me like the only guy who could break the Pep/Klopp axis, because he actually understands how a high press works. The best Ole can ever manage is third for the foreseeable future, because he is tactically a decade behind these guys.
Why is it so difficult for the top brass at the club to understand this. It really isn't rocket science. Sadly, until it happens we're on a hiding to nowhere.If we were to replace it would have to be a modern day manager. We're still stuck well behind the times imo.
Moyes - Dinosaur football
LVG - Was way past his sell-by date.
Mourinho - Tactics and man management were stubborn and outdated.
Ole - Man management might be there but tactically doubtful. Seems to rely on the 'This is Manchester Utd' and play with passion approach.
We'd need someone with a forward thinking strategy. Football has changed and we need to catch up. Liverpool even have a bloody throw-in coach and it's benefited them.
I'm not going to pretend I know everything about them but someone like Nagelsmann, Favre or Tuchel? I hear good things about Marco Rose. Even Bielsa? At least they've got styles of play.
Totally agree.I hope the board are sounding out Pochettino, because Ole might not be be lasting long. the last thing we want is ANOTHER caretaker. We need to get this right this time.
Again, I don't necessarily disagree but we've spent big money before and it hasn't worked out. And some of the expense there is the fact we're buying young and proven from a PL clubs who are flush with cash, don't need to sell and know they can squeeze us.He bought Maguire and AWB for boatload of cash and both of them were top performers in the PL, it doesn't make one a genius DoF for signing those two. It really is silly to keep our ex players around like ghosts. Get in proper people who know the job.
I have been a hoping for Ole to do well however; the West Ham performance has to show to everyone that he is not good enough. I can live with us getting beat away from home, it happens. However; If Ole cannot get the players right mentally he isn't the man.T
Totally agree.
Poch should have been approached and Ole just continued as caretaker. All this bollocks about Molde etc...just doesn't cut it
My problem with people who have so definitive views is that you are cannot consider that you are not 100% right. For example, does decent football mean you are more likely to win games? If you win games, does that mean you decent football? The answer to both of these is no.Does the plan involve playing decent football as well? Or just being youthful, energetic and happy?
So? A better manager would still get much more out of it. Plus he would have a bigger pull on the market.Nonsense. Our squad is absolutely dreadful
That and the amount of minutes for youth players. He's going no where this season and he'll get next summers window tooOur three best performers this season are Ole signings, this is the hill I'll die on.
How do you know he wasn't?T
Totally agree.
Poch should have been approached and Ole just continued as caretaker. All this bollocks about Molde etc...just doesn't cut it
His next project will not be in England IMO.Poch has obviously been approached or sounded out. But it seems like he's smart enough to stay away. We're not an exciting project right now.
I'd take him as player managerCristiano Ronaldo when he retires.