How can I be wrong about something that hasn’t happened yet
That is one poll which you seem to like posting
Did you read the article ?How can I be wrong about something that hasn’t happened yet
Anyways aggregate poll of polls is a far superior indication than any snap poll which will have many inherent issues
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/pol...olls-says-most-now-want-to-stay-a4257476.html
I offered an opinion on something that hasnt happened yet. Hence I can’t be wrong.
I posted two polls(These are the latest polls to have come out, thats why I posted them)
Which is fine and I agree thats something that could happen. But there is nothing to suggest at the moment Remain would easily win another referendum.
Given that last time the remain campaign was fighting a fairytale like an easy trade deal, keeping all our money, sunny future and no problems but this time they'd be campaigning against a defined deal that it's easily provable would result in making us all poorer, that the supposed Brexit dividend will be dwarfed by the Brexit costs, that it will destroy manufacturing, that it will probably lead to the break up of the UK, that it will reduce our influence and prestige throughout the world, that the government wants to burn workers' rights, food standards and environmental protections and everything else that's wrong with Brexit, I think remain would win this time too.I posted two polls(These are the latest polls to have come out, thats why I posted them)
Which is fine and I agree thats something that could happen. But there is nothing to suggest at the moment Remain would easily win another referendum.
I like your optimism but its based sadly on nothing.
Don't forget poll bias. I think there is a significant poll bias in favour of remain unfortunatelyThat is one poll which you seem to like posting
Whilst I think it would be a tight result, I’d be fairly confident of a remain win by a few percentage points.
I think Remain would probably win a second referendum - as you say Brexit is now incredibly tarnished, and while it has its proponents, those proponents are espousing an increasingly negative vision in which anyone who doesn't conform to their grim worldview is incredibly treacherous.
Wouldn’t disagree.
Please tell me a Leave Manefesto beyond jingoism that can’t be debunked within a 60 second google search.
I like your optimism but its based sadly on nothing.
Are you suggesting poll bias systematically favours remain. Why would that be?
I'm arguing against the idea anyone should be utterly convinced that Remain would easily win a 2nd referendum, not that Remain can't win.
Yeah, seen before, good luck with that - what a load of bollox.
Your world is as real as you make it!
Honestly it must be great living in your world.
Or they could tell a complete pack of lies, worked for Leave last time.
I agree in my opinion it's easier to work for the Leave campaign because you can sell this wonderful fantasy, whereas Remain you can only promise things will remain the same.
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Will be debunked with credible evidence this time around. Sure racists and xenophobes will fall for it, but that’s not enough for a majority.
Just drew against the run away league leaders on and ended their 17 game winning run.
But you can’t, that would be a lie too. The EU will integrate further. That is something remain never discuss and should be considered.
Quite, until things go considerably wrong these people will still cling on to the fantasy.
Not so sure, they will still say that the BoE and Osborne said the economy would collapse after the vote, which of course it wouldn't unless the Uk left straight after the vote but it will suffer when the UK actually leaves.
Of course they will. Some of my best friends and a few family members voted leave. None are either racist or xenophobic. Such a lazy argument. Some people just want independence and full democratic control of their country’s destiny. And what is wrong with that? Seriously.
This is why it’s such a travesty that Labour aren’t a remain party. Labour and the Lib Dem’s as Remain parties could both campaign on a platform of that remaining doesn’t mean things have to return to how they were in 2016. They can have bright future within the EU, with economic stability and all the extra money saved by cancelling Brexit can be flooded into the NHS and national infrastructure.
They may have done before, and if they aren’t racist, it’s because they believed claims that have now been totally debunked.
It will derail the thread to much but this isn't true at all. And it worries me that people think this way.
It’s as true as you make it.
Are you trying to sell me some healing crystals ?
Not at all. You commented on ‘my world’. I’m simply explaining how that works.
What has this actually got to do with you personally. You are not an MP are you. Hold your head up man.
The polls looked wrong because they moved alot in last couple of weeks, and polls obviously lag behind as there is a delay between the poll being taken and the results being published.
The shy tories error remains though, because exit polls on those two general elections underestimated the tory outcome. Exit polls taking place at the same time and place as the actual vote.
The *why* the polls move doesn't matter (whether that's trhough targetted Facebook ads, royal intervention, etc). The question we're asking is if there is a hidden bias (even now?) towards Leave.
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