She gave the closing speach on Saturday. Not sure whether that choice was mandatory but it looked very much to me like 'bringing on the young talent'
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Why, aside from tokenism and expedient politics, should the next leader be a woman unless the reason is actual talent? The reason surely has to be the right one, otherwise it'd just be cheap politics & condescension. Even a pragmatic 'electability factor' is a shabby albeit understandable reason.
I completely agree, and I'd much prefer 2nd ref then GE. Unfortunately a second ref seems basically impossible with the parliamentary numbers, and so there seems little point in sitting waiting for something that's almost certainly not going to happen.
Ideally if Brexit is to happen, I'd prefer in an ideal world that the GE wait until after the initial effects became clear too, but with the transition period etc thats way too long to wait.
I don't see anyway for this not to be an election about Brexit, and sadly I do think the Tories will win it comfortably. Corbyn should never be forgiven for his incompetence.
Because the reason is actual talent. If there were not a strong selection of female MPs to choose from then you'd have a point, but there is. Labour is yet to have a female leader, and if the party is unable to amend that with the options at its disposal right now, then it begs the question why not and when will they?
There's a certain amount of optics in most political choices
BJ bought a cute dog from a rescue centre and the press made a deal of it. Now he may well be an animal lover but there was some political mileage there too.
Excellent.
I just feared the worst reasons (as I listed previously), which I feel would be insulting to women.Yeah. I appreciate that I'm being naive, really.Honest John said:
Sexist SteveJ - "it's a man's game"
Excellent.
For sure. It would be counterproductive to promoting equality to elect someone clearly ill-equipped for the job, or at least ill-equipped compared to other candidates, purely based on gender. That said, an element of tokenism all other things being equal is not a bad thing. As I said, I'd happily see someone like Pidcock or Starmer elected leader. Is it wrong for me to factor in Pidcock's gender based on the fact Labour is yet to have a female leader when making my choice? I don't think so. The point is that she is an equally credible candidate to the others based on merit alone, and if a barrier can be broken down with her selection, then it's fair to deem that a small but not inconsequential plus-point in her favour (but equally I do not think a position to the contrary is unreasonable).
On merit alone they are not equal at all. Starmer is an appointed QC whilst Pidock went to Man Met which should be enough to discount anyone (apologies to anyone who also went, not for my statement for the fact you went there)
It can but there is no majority at the moment for a referendum.
That's typical Tory deflection though and it get's a few laughs. What we're talking about is the erosion of notice periods, protections around unfair dismissal and the rights of women returning to work after pregnancy, for example. I'd absolutely not put it past the Tories to screw over workers to please their industry paymasters.
You say with the Labour party positioning itself to the left...but neglect the fact that the Tories have moved equally to the right. The fact that the Tories' first action on the end of austerity was to cut tax for higher earners tells you everything you need to know about how much contempt they feel for the working person.
Well said Sir. Hear, hear.
I highly doubt they'll roll back maternity rights, there's too many women about for that. They can get away with policies that affect smaller factions of the population though.
There's also talk today that fracking could end in the UK soon, which doesn't really tally with the bonfire of environmental protections that the Tories are supposed want to carry out.
Ge is going to be hard to call if brexit party are standing as well...
Anybody getting a majority looks unlikely but how the results will actually fall is going to be interesting
Have to expect SNP and libs will do well
Northern Ireland will probably be dominated by local parties
Brexit would probably cut into both labour and conservatives
And the leaders of the two main parties are pretty devisive figures
And if there is any workable coalitions I don't know
Brexit will insist on WTO
Boris will insist on his deal
Nobody will work with Corbyn
Libs will demand a referendum
SNP will demand freeeeedom
Rights are never eroded so publically no one expects them to raise a bill to lower standards. What happens is when legislation gets passed as part of that you'll have stuff that doesn't have the protections enshrined in EU law and over time it results in a lowered standard. Most of those will be ambiguous wording that relies on others to make a decision, pushing responsibility for decisions is Tory 101 see council cuts forcing closures and the BBC now being blamed for dropping free tv licenses.
Changed my mind, we need to make sure we leave before the 31 October
Yeah possibly. My worry with Starmer is that what Boris is for Leave, Starmer is for Remain. Picking Starmer as leader is giving up on politics and going full force into the weird and awful world of Brexit cultural war. In every sense Starmer is a manager type, it only takes a couple of looks into this thread(Leave voters are stupid, we can win with Google searches etc) and the marches to see this is the type of politician ultra Remain people are dying for.
Which ok if playing this empty spectacle game is whats needed to get Labour into power with a left wing manifesto, then fine whatever. But politicians like Starmer have been losing all around the western world(And certainly not winning in the global south), the only two who are succeeding are Macron who at the moment is watching on as the french police kick the heads in of public sector workers and the guy in Canada who won't stop doing black face. There's really nothing to suggest that he would be a success.
I will never be the same again.
They aren't stupid, it's utterly insane for Labour to go into an election without Brexit sorted, especially with Corbyn as leader.
It's not prevented the gender pay gap. I'm not talking about a 'bonfire' of regulation, I said erosion of rights that goes under the radar.
Fracking was never going to be big here. It's one thing fracking shale in the North Dakota desert, but a uneconomic and a massive vote loser under English greenbelt or urban areas.
If Labour go to an election with Brexit sorted BoJo will crush them with the leave vote as the man that delivered Brexit and the Brexit party will be irrelevant and likely just endorse him. The Lib Dems will crush them with the remain vote as they’ll be seen as the party that facilitated Brexit. If Brexit is done it’s lose lose for Labour only while it’s now up in the air they can stay relevant by trying to stay in the middle of it all and pushing their policies.
It’s lose-lose for labour whatever happens then
Why would it?
Brexit sorted is absolutely lose lose they will probably come third. Brexit not sorted they have a dithering chance.
It just goes on and on and the divisions get worse.
The once in a lifetime referendum result is going to last a lifetime to work its way out.
You are right. The forthcoming GE is not likely to solve anything. And actually, given the policies of the major parties, a majority government might be even worse.
It is becoming more apparent that a second referendum could be the only way of resolving the ongoing stalemate. And only Labour are offering this.
Didn't work for Churchill though, he delivered victory in 1945 but got kicked out nonetheless.
Absolute disgrace it hasn’t.
Depends on the terms of leaving. If it's a no deal then Johnson will be punished in the polls as the downsides quickly become clear to even the most optomistic brexiter.
With the current deal and the cliff edge pushed back to jan 1st 2021, then yes he'll probably get away with it by having an election before then. That's what he'll be banking on anyway, as labour can't wait over a year to agree to an election.
Labours best chance now, unless ref2 can be secured, is a new leader who the media don't have time to smear into oblivion before the start of purdah.
You don't have to look tbf
A dithering chance? I like that
Put it past? It will be a plan. It is bad enough with the EU protecting ordinary people. Without that protection things are going to get much worse and quickly.
Maybe an election push by Johnson isn't certain:
Australia is laughing at us. Hardly suprising.
https://amp.theguardian.com/comment...ry-strand-of-his-deliberately-unfeasible-hair
https://amp.theguardian.com/comment...ry-strand-of-his-deliberately-unfeasible-hair
That's what you get for sitting on the fence - in an attempt to please everybody you end up pleasing nobody. If that is what occurs then it serves them right - Machiavellian tw*ts.
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Interesting peice if not a little depressing
From the Guardian..
So the government don't believe we need an extension, but also aren't actually going to bother trying to push their bill through parliament?
So the government don't believe we need an extension, but also aren't actually going to bother trying to push their bill through parliament?
Ah but they only aren't because the MP's are not allowing their terrible deal through. How dare they.
Utterly pointless. Nothings going to get resolved, in any way, anytime soon. GE won't solve anything. A 2nd ref would, but would be divisive again and the worry is that leave voters would have dug their heels in even more, depsite all evidence, because parliament are "standing in the way" of their dream deal, or crashing and burning out to teach the EU a lesson.
I reckon this thread ends up on 20k pages before we get close to past it all.
Sorry for the rant, but this is depressing. And we have Boris Johnson in charge of it.