No. Will be a GE.
Labour and LibDem will have find a way to form an alliance else BJ will get a working majority, and then it’s off the cliff.
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Labour and LibDem will have find a way to form an alliance else BJ will get a working majority, and then it’s off the cliff.
If they amend it enough, then the ERG would withdraw support presumably?
Suspect it will be a GE as it suits Johnson and there is not enough cross party support at present for Ref 2. I just hope the Remain vote can set aside tribal differences enough to avoid the Tories getting a big majority with 35% of the vote.
I mean he has a working majority in practice thanks to 'those' Labour MPs. The only way it goes to a GE now is if amendments such as the custom union get thrown in and it wins because Boris won't enact it.
You'd still be able to get residency in France after Brexit - you'd have to apply for a long-term visa (which you could apply for if you had a job lined up), and then you could apply for residency.
It'll just be more complicated and take longer (unfortunately). There are Americans living full-time out here in our village, they've managed to do it.
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Yeah, not impossible, just harder and less likely, I guess, since it isn't necessarily for career purposes that we would love to move there.
Any news if brexit party will accept the Boris deal and not stand against conservatives... Or will they push for WTO and stand in all constituencies
Farage hates the deal so likely they will stand on a no-deal platform.
What do we mean by off the cliff? He's got a deal, he'll most certainly ram that through with a working majority.
Also the irony is that the uncertainty of the markets is such, that at any notion of the deal being signed the Pound surges because it will end this uncertainty and remove the no-deal threat. A LabLib coalition will probably have to adopt the current Labour position which is a lengthy renegotiation and then referendum, which prolongs the agony of uncertainty.
Seems like Boris has accepted the a 31st October exit is not going to happen when he said "One way or another we will leave the EU with this deal"
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If my understanding of today's events is right, It will be definitely a brexit through Boris' deal and just a matter of timeline is the problem. No chance of a no deal/revoke talk anymore, right?
Jacob Rees-Mogg:
I am not unsympathetic to the point about time, it is simply the deadline of 31 October which was set by the European Union and, therefore, we are compressed in the time available to get this bill delivered, which is why I was willing to support the programme motion and felt that it was reasonable under the circumstances.
After all you've only had 3 years and 4 months so far , Tusk said "don't waste this time"
I am not unsympathetic to the point about time, it is simply the deadline of 31 October which was set by the European Union and, therefore, we are compressed in the time available to get this bill delivered, which is why I was willing to support the programme motion and felt that it was reasonable under the circumstances.
After all you've only had 3 years and 4 months so far , Tusk said "don't waste this time"
No, now the Bill is through to the third reading, it can be amended. There's no way his deal actually gets through all stages and into law in its current form. I think anyway. I don't have a fecking clue.
He's paused it for the moment though, so I'm guessing it's now wait and see what the EU do.
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Yew :barfsmilie:
I don't think so, which is why they tried to force it through now.
It's never ending!!
Can an amendment include a new referendum?
And if so leave vs stay and if leave deal vs no deal?
And if so leave vs stay and if leave deal vs no deal?
so if there's an extensions until January, what will happen between now and then? Election?
I would imagine that would have been after passing immigration requirements rather than the inherent right to work and live there that we currently enjoy.
Been done before, wasn't funny the first time either
That’s the big question isn’t it? But, like everything else, is there the numbers for it?
It can but it all depends on numbers.
If a short extension until mid November, they try to get the deal done by then. If late January, election very likely I think. And of course, if an EU member vetoes the extension, we leave without a deal on 31st.
I think that a long extension, as the Germans wanted, is now unlikely as the deal passed the 2nd reading.
My guess is they will offer as according to the Benn bill, and we have a rushed election, as Govt. will want to avoid amendments.
I know - it's all hideous and completely ridiculous, isn't it?
Yes, extension, then election. Earliest possible election date is currently 28th November.
Theoretically yes, if the bill was given proper due process, any amendment can be added if it gets the votes. But BJ will not pursue this bill any further, probably enact a VONC against himself, and trigger an election.
Of course if he wins election with a working majority, he can then do as he pleases. If Labour win outright or via coalition, then they will decide BrExit via 2nd referendum.
IMO, The election is about 3 things:
1. How many leave voters are pissed with BJ for breaking his 31st October promise and protest vote to BrExit party. And if so, can Tory and BrExit party rule in coalition?
2. Labour, SNP and Lib Dem make a coalition pact, so they can instruct each other’s voters to strategically vote for whichever party has best chance to beat Tory candidate in a stronghold seat. Labour MPs in Leave constituencies will certainly need some help to retain their seats. Corbyns also alienated many champagne socialist centrists.
3. Election itself will not only be about Tory/Labour and Leave/Remain but also ‘cult’ war of personality between BJ and Corbyn, unlike we’ve ever seen before. I expect it to be very dirty, so also depends who can find and exploit hidden skeletons.
We are in crazy times so I don’t rule out anything!
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I really don't see a justification for not putting the bill to third reading with second reading passed. None of the previous attack lines work for Boris.
Yes he's paused it now but that's mainly because it's better to await the EU decision before they set a timetable.
Yes he's paused it now but that's mainly because it's better to await the EU decision before they set a timetable.
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Barron, Fitzpatrick, Flint and Mann voted with the Gov on both. No questioning they have to go along with Hoey who voted with the Gov on second vote.
Mann, Fitzpatrick and Hoey are all standing down anyway. How Flint retains the whip after her behaviour and comments in the last few days is beyond me.
It's just unfortunate that one half of Labour have been telling the other that you have to be broadchurch above all, accept all views and it being wrong to threaten the whip.
Now they want rid of those they disagree with.
heat death of the universe? colin reads some history? whichever one takes longer.
This is not about an acceptance of views. They are voting for a bill without any economical impact assessments and a lack of information about the risks with it. How can they vote for that as the Opposition? Just to save their seats?