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No he wasn't. Not even close.
Was he as good as R9. Arguably.
No he wasn't. Not even close.
Was he as good as R9. Arguably.
BullshitNo he wasn't. Not even close.
Thats a particularly interesting choice of example when arguing his greatness as another set of dropped points against Blackburn in 2012 when Rooney was dropped and fined for turning up to training still drunk with a steaming hangover over the festive period highlights exactly the reason his career fell off a cliff and the sense of entitlement that never left him when his first touch and fitness definitely had still craws in the throat for a lot of fans.OP's entire argument should be invalidated, because he mentions Rooney never winning the PFA award.
He did in 2009-2010. He carried our entire attack that season and if he didn't get injured vs Bayern, we probably win the league.
We dropped points at Blackburn crucially(no Rooney and Berba led the line) whilst missing loads of chances. If we had Rooney that game, we win it. Boom title #19.
Rooney had 16 seasons in the PL and never won PFA player of the year.
Rooney had 16 seasons in the PL and never won PFA player of the year
I stand corrected. Drogba was actually better that season but with Rooney being the English golden boy and having an outstanding season too he was always going to win it.
The feck are you talking about?
I don't agree with this. Rooney was one of the best players in the world for about 10 years and played in multiple roles where he was often backing up someone else (e.g. Ronaldo, RVP). Kane has played pretty much exclusively as a pure number 9 and has been poor for a while. Rooney was also better as an all-round player than Kane imo (e.g. his passing).Rooney had 16 seasons in the PL and never won PFA player of the year or won the golden boot and only made PFA team of the year three times. Kane for comparison has made PFA team of the year four times and won the golden boot twice in only 6 few seasons. Rooney has more talent in his toenail than Kane but Kane has proven to be more effective and consistently great than Rooney ever was. The same holds for all the others in that list.
He may not have ever won the golden boot but he wasn't just a goalscorer, he also only became a pen-taker late into his career....and never won PFA player of the year or won the golden boot and only made PFA team of the year three times. Kane for comparison has made PFA team of the year four times and won the golden boot twice in only 6 few seasons. Rooney has more talent in his toenail than Kane but Kane has proven to be more effective and consistently great than Rooney ever was. The same holds for all the others in that list.
PFA teams of the year for the most part are 80-90% correct, there are usually 2 contentious entries at most while the rest of the team picks itself. The best players in the season will almost certainly get picked.I don't agree with this. Rooney was one of the best players in the world for about 10 years and played in multiple roles where he was often backing up someone else (e.g. Ronaldo, RVP). Kane has played pretty much exclusively as a pure number 9 and has been poor for a while. Rooney was also better as an all-round player than Kane imo (e.g. his passing).
PFA player of the year is arbitrary and winning the golden boot doesn't mean you're more effective. Darren Bent was third goalscorer behind Drogba and Rooney for a couple of seasons but that didn't mean he was one of the most effective players or even forwards.
Kane has also had fierce competition in Aguero, Salah, Costa, Sanchez, Vardy, Aubameyang. In Rooney's peak years, Ruud, Henry and Shearer were long gone.He may not have ever won the golden boot but he wasn't just a goalscorer, he also only became a pen-taker late into his career.
There's a reason why he's the only player in Premier league history to have 250+ goals and 100+ assists. Kane for comparisons sake despite all his goals has 19 assists. Efficiency can be categorised into much more than just goalscoring and Rooney damn sure was much more than just a goalscorer.
Who is Kane even competing against in the PFA team of the year? Rooney was competing against Ruud, Drogba, Henry, Shearer, Tevez, Berbatov, Ronaldo, Anelka, Adebayor, Van Persie and Torres in his prime years as a striker despite not being the main striker for most periods.
Really? In hindsight, people may accept that the winner was the best player but most are debatable.PFA teams of the year for the most part are 80-90% correct, there are usually 2 contentious entries at most while the rest of the team picks itself. The best players in the season will almost certainly get picked.
Regarding the golden boot, it usually does mean you're more effective. Look back on the golden boot winners from the last 20 years and almost all were the most effective strikers that year.
When your team that good everybody cannot be the "main guy". If we deem only Ronaldo to be our main guy then that's a slight on Vidic and Rio which is silly. If we deem Keane or Cantona to be the "main guy" then is that a slight on Scholes and Giggs?This is pretty much what I was getting at in the OP.
Great complimentary piece of an excellent team but never the main guy in our successful teams. Ronaldo, Rio, Vidic and Evra outperformed him in most seasons.
He had two huge seasons for us where he plundered in almost 60 goals in the league. His best seasons I think was between 09 to 12. He was great in the second half of the 10/11 season when he came back after the transfer fiasco to help us win the league and bring us to CL finals. The first half of that season he was dogshite and playing to get out.Rooney was not primarily a goalscorer and trying to damn him with his (actually exceptional) goalscoring record is completely absurd. I feel like this kind of nonsense always sidesteps the indisputable fact that Rooney wasn't a centre forward, he just played there occasionally. That combined with his awful form under LVG (who ruined pretty much everyone else who played for him as well), and a lingering resentment over the contract stuff seems to have given an awful lot of people some form of amnesia.
Nobody remotely sane disputes his quality when he was playing alongside Ronaldo, but those weren't even his best years. The five seasons after Ronny jumped ship are his real legacy, even with the club's relative lack of success in those years. In those five seasons between Ronaldo's departure and Van Gaal's arrival, Wayne Rooney started 138 league games for us, scoring 93 goals and getting 45 assists. That's a goal or assist a game, as good as any attacking player's record in the history of the league, and some of you lot think that was him in decline...
2 good seasons? You're just trying to get a reaction. You obviously are a young lad who is just looking at stats. Wayne Rooney was a beast of a player. Was a honour to have been able to watch his entire career.I'm not sure you're getting my point. I didn't say all the players in the list were better than Rooney. I'm saying they played at their peaks better and more consistently than Rooney did.
Rooney was an unbelievable player but his true quality only shone for parts of the season. He was the perfect piece of the puzzle in our great teams but when he was the main man he never led us to trophies. He played second fiddle to Ronaldo and RVP. Saying he had closer to 6/7 great seasons that 2 just isn't true.
04/05 - Fairly good debut season with brilliant high points mixed with inconsistency (7)
05/06 - Very good season and formed a great partnership with RVN (8.5)
06/07 - Another very inconsistent season, had some excellent high points and some long barren spells (7.5)
07/08 - Formed a legendary partnership with Tevez and Ronaldo, his all round game was elite but he struggled with finishing (7.5)
08/09 - Another inconsistent season but SAF moved him around a lot. Had great periods of form and was probably his most selfless season for us (7.5)
09/10 - Assumed the goal scoring responsibility after Ronaldo left and was immense. Became lethal in the air too (9)
10/11 - First half of the season he was rotten (4) second half of the season was his best ever IMO (9.5) - overall (7)
11/12 - Goal scoring was on par with his best but after his great start his performances were quite poor but always scored (8)
12/13 - Falling out with SAF and overtaken by RVP as our main man. Some brilliant assists this season but overall not good (6.5)
Anything after these seasons was nowhere near great and he fell of a cliff drastically. I see only 2 great seasons in there, I could give you 11/12 also but I really wasn't impressed with his performances over 90 minutes that season.
Wasn't the most eye pleasing player? He was a joy to watch. So many fantastic moments. I loved watching him play.He had two huge seasons for us where he plundered in almost 60 goals in the league. His best seasons I think was between 09 to 12. He was great in the second half of the 10/11 season when he came back after the transfer fiasco to help us win the league and bring us to CL finals. The first half of that season he was dogshite and playing to get out.
I think Rooney has always been a polarizing player for us because of the huge expectations that were placed upon him when he was a teenager. People were expecting R9, Pele and Maradona levels of talent when he obviously wasn't. He also had a very low bottom level and wasn't the most eye-pleasing player. He still a top-class player and legend of the club.
Yeah I really must be a young lad. I listed out his seasons and provided a brief summary of his performance for context. I couldn't possibly have watched him all his career. I clearly drew my conclusions from his stats2 good seasons? You're just trying to get a reaction. You obviously are a young lad who is just looking at stats. Wayne Rooney was a beast of a player. Was a honour to have been able to watch his entire career.
Also how do you become united and england top scorer if you only have 2 good years? You're embarrassing yourself.
Also, only Giggs has more assists for our club, I don't think even Scholes has as many as Rooney.Top 5 club legends for me and it shouldn't even be up for debate. Top goalscorer, 6th most number of appearances, crucial part of arguably our most dominant era ever (2007-11)
You said that 06/07 was 'Another very inconsistent season' for Rooney, which either means you didn't watch us that year, or you've since had some kind of head injury.Yeah I really must be a young lad. I listed out his seasons and provided a brief summary of his performance for context.
There really are some clowns on here. I said he had an inconsistent season that had excellent high points and long barren spells, what part about that isn't true?You said that 06/07 was 'Another very inconsistent season' for Rooney, which either means you didn't watch us that year, or you've since had some kind of head injury.