Get rid of VAR NOW! We want our game back! (...or not, some are happy)

[RUCK4444]

Do you haters even realise that most of the things you're whining about are the field ref's fault?
Football refereeing was a disgrace before VAR and there is interest in their class in sabotaging the system and turning people's opinions against VAR, in which they are partly succeeding.
Your anger should be redirected at the people who are sabotaging VAR.

Not really. I speak for myself but I believe Most VAR haters like myself just hate constant reviews, delays, the stop start shite you see in Rugby.

More than anything it has affected the joy/emotion a goal brings.

It was a beautifully simple game, they have tried to fix something that wasn’t truly broken.

Can you name one disgracefully poor ref call where you thought ‘this must change, bring in VAR’?
I would like to know because, you know what? It seemed like there was FECK all wrong with the game to me!!

It’s not like we were all having meltdowns every week. Sure there was a poor call every couple of games, guess what NOTHINGS CHANGED.

We still have poor decisions and now it’s coupled with endless debate rather than any sort of real focus on actual football.

They took something perfect and took a big steaming shite on it.

 

[Wolf8312]

VAR has made a lot of bad calls but ‘ball to hand’ should never be a penalty unless the hands are raised up above the head or spread out.

Cause then you get players doing what sterling probably tried today, to purposefully aim for the hands.

The trouble is there is no consistency, this all started because the refs started giving stupid ball to hand penalty’s to some teams and not others.

I think for the good of the sport in most cases unintentional hand ball should not result in a penalty.

Offside should also be clear cut, and non of this ‘his nose was offside’ nonsense. Advantages are gained in feet not by armpits...

 

[Ludens the Red]

What I found most strange was the second goal check. Anytime it’s that close to being on or offside they spend about an hour checking and fiddling with lines, with the Salah it was like one check and done. If I was a city fan I’d be rightfully fuming.

 

[Anustart89]

I'd love to hear an explanation as to how this is allowed according to the laws of the game

Let's assume that the ref's looked at it and said it's not a foul. How is it not a clear and obvious error? Is it not a clear and obvious foul when you're two yards away from the ball and you lunge a yard to put a forearm into the back of the opponent and push him off balance?

 

[Annihilate Now!]

What I found most strange was the second goal check. Anytime it’s that close to being on or offside they spend about an hour checking and fiddling with lines, with the Salah it was like one check and done. If I was a city fan I’d be rightfully fuming.

It's bizarre.

I'm not too bothered if he's was offside or not, but it is very strange that they didn't check it properly.

 

[giorno]

Can you name one disgracefully poor ref call where you thought ‘this must change, bring in VAR’?
I would like to know because, you know what? It seemed like there was FECK all wrong with the game to me!!

You mean stuff like the Smalling penalty in Roma-Gladbach? Sane's disallowed goal in City-Liverpool in CL? Kroos penalty in Real Madrid-PSG? OVREBO?

 

[Hughie77]

Bottled it, VAR, ref the lot of them, he's moved his arm to stop the ball no matter if it bounced off any one. If it passes him city player gets shot. VAR has just showed how it can be manipulated by whoever it is.

Next week this happens it's given, useless officials and a pointless VAR. It just shows who the Prem want to win this league.

 

[Zen86]

I am not sure that the concept is terrible but its implementation is not at all good. To me the biggest problem is that football by definition is a spontaneous flowing game. And VAR has a highly negative effect on this.
I mainly dislike the offside element. Like most rules offside was defined around visual perception. Level is onside. So. What is level. Is a few millimeters really worth disallowing a goal. And what part of the body should count. And how accurate is the timing taken from precisely when the ball is passed. We see the offside lines but rarely the exact point of the pass.
Essentially football is about entertainment and not the precision of an offside line.

Exactly. It isn’t tennis where there is a definitive answer, there is a great deal of opinion and error involved so why bother delaying the game in the process.

 

[Snuffkin]

Bottled it, VAR, ref the lot of them, he's moved his arm to stop the ball no matter if it bounced off any one. If it passes him city player gets shot. VAR has just showed how it can be manipulated by whoever it is.

Yeah very disappointing. Seems var is not Anfield proof.

 

[Inter Yer Nan]

I'd love to hear an explanation as to how this is allowed according to the laws of the game

Let's assume that the ref's looked at it and said it's not a foul. How is it not a clear and obvious error? Is it not a clear and obvious foul when you're two yards away from the ball and you lunge a yard to put a forearm into the back of the opponent and push him off balance?

If that foul happens on Mane he’d still be down and of course it would have been a penalty.

 

[VeevaVee]

Can't believe I thought VAR would mean no more offside goals or diving for Liverpool.

 

[Johan07]

The first Liverpool handball (before their first goal) is an obvious penalty for City. It should not even need to be discussed. He makes himself bigger with arms out 90 degrees when the cross is made (not close) and it does not matter if it hits someone else on the way to his arm. How that is not clear and obvious is beyond me. Fecking VAR-referees.
In the same way there is no way that the second handball call is a penalty. He is basically hit in the arm from 5 yards with his arms in a completely natural position. We all got to see Pep go crazy though over the second one though. That was entertaining.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

The first Liverpool handball (before their first goal) is an obvious penalty for City. It should not even need to be discussed. He makes himself bigger with arms out 90 degrees when the cross is made (not close) and it does not matter if it hits someone else on the way to his arm. How that is not clear and obvious is beyond me. Fecking VAR-referees.
In the same way there is no way that the second handball call is a penalty. He is basically hit in the arm from 5 yards with his arms in a completely natural position. We all got to see Pep go crazy though over the second one though. That was entertaining.

Agreed.

That first handball is so blatant too... Pure incompetence for it to not be called

 

[Sidious]

When Silva does an offensive handball right before the TAA handball: how can that be a penalty? The rules say that an offensive handball can never lead to a goal.
It is a weird situation.

 

[TheOx]

But it touched Silvas hand first. Why is no one talking about that? It had barely been shown live.

 

[Zlatan 7]

But it touched Silvas hand first. Why is no one talking about that? It had barely been shown live.

Maybe so but then that doesn’t mean taa can handball it because they’ve got advantage played. And then when var sees taa handball It and it let to a goal it should be pulled back.

farce of a decision.

 

[TheReligion]

But it touched Silvas hand first. Why is no one talking about that? It had barely been shown live.

Why does that matter? Either way the game would stop then.

 

[Johan07]

Agreed.

That first handball is so blatant too... Pure incompetence for it to not be called

Not to be too much of a conspiracy theorist; but I wonder what would have happened if the following play (first goal) would not have ended up with Fabinho burying it at the other end. Now they would have had to annul that Liverpool-goal and reward City a penalty. At Anfield. With all the VAR-controversy. If Liverpool had not scored I am pretty confident it would have been given (the penalty).
Its really not a difficult decision, its an obvious penalty. Disgrace and it decided the game pretty much. Sad.

 

[Dumbstar]

When Silva does an offensive handball right before the TAA handball: how can that be a penalty? The rules say that an offensive handball can never lead to a goal.
It is a weird situation.

This. Has no one talked about the 'actual' rules or are they just unaware of them? The ref and VAR did well to play on despite Oliver obviously spotting Bernando's handball. It was a good decision by him as Liverpool made full use of the advantage. I'd have been livid if it was stopped only for VAR to only give us an obvious freekick according to the actual rules of the game.

I really don't understand why 99% of people are talking about TAA. What the feck has he got to do with anything?

 

[RyRy11]

When people say it’s not var it’s the officials it makes no sense.

var is the officials. Not magic technology such as goal line tech.

I agree they’re shit at it.
Ruined/ ruining the sport for me

Yes but then if you get rid of VAR you're still going to have the same shitty decisions? If there was no such thing as VAR Liverpool would still have the first two goals regardless because that was what the on field decisions were. If the league can manage to coach the officials better then VAR can be implemented more correctly.

 

[RyRy11]

This. Has no one talked about the 'actual' rules or are they just unaware of them? The ref and VAR did well to play on despite Oliver obviously supporting Bernando's handball. It was a good decision by him as Liverpool made full use of the advantage. If have been livid of it was stopped only for VAR to only give us an obvious freekick according to the actual rules of the game.

I really don't understand why 99% of people are talking about TAA. What the feck has he got to do with anything?

I think the Liverpool hate is clouding a lot of people's judgement. People will believe what they want as long as it fits their narrative.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

This. Has no one talked about the 'actual' rules or are they just unaware of them? The ref and VAR did well to play on despite Oliver obviously supporting Bernando's handball. It was a good decision by him as Liverpool made full use of the advantage. I'd have been livid if it was stopped only for VAR to only give us an obvious freekick according to the actual rules of the game.

I really don't understand why 99% of people are talking about TAA. What the feck has he got to do with anything?

By actual rules, advantage has to stop as soon as Liverpool commit an offence.

 

[arnie_ni]

But it touched Silvas hand first. Why is no one talking about that? It had barely been shown live.

We have been. At a minimum its a fk to liverpool after the advantage is over due to TAA handball, at most its a pen to city.

It simply cant be play on and a goal

 

[dwd]

Yes but then if you get rid of VAR you're still going to have the same shitty decisions? If there was no such thing as VAR Liverpool would still have the first two goals regardless because that was what the on field decisions were. If the league can manage to coach the officials better then VAR can be implemented more correctly.

You can’t coach a referee that has bias.

 

[NinjaFletch]

This. Has no one talked about the 'actual' rules or are they just unaware of them? The ref and VAR did well to play on despite Oliver obviously supporting Bernando's handball. It was a good decision by him as Liverpool made full use of the advantage. I'd have been livid if it was stopped only for VAR to only give us an obvious freekick according to the actual rules of the game.

I really don't understand why 99% of people are talking about TAA. What the feck has he got to do with anything?

Living up to your name I see.

 

[arnie_ni]

Living up to your name I see.

Basically he is saying the team with the ball and an advantage have free reign to commit fouls and it shouldnt be pulled back

 

[Dumbstar]

By actual rules, advantage has to stop as soon as Liverpool commit an offence.

Liverpool committed zero offence. Take the tints off and re-read.

 

[RyRy11]

You can’t coach a referee that has bias.

So we should get rid of VAR or?

 

[Annihilate Now!]

Liverpool committed zero offence. Take the tints off and re-read.

TAA clearly handles the ball after it hits Silva's arm? That's not even something that can be up for debate

 

[Sandikan]

This. Has no one talked about the 'actual' rules or are they just unaware of them? The ref and VAR did well to play on despite Oliver obviously spotting Bernando's handball. It was a good decision by him as Liverpool made full use of the advantage. I'd have been livid if it was stopped only for VAR to only give us an obvious freekick according to the actual rules of the game.

I really don't understand why 99% of people are talking about TAA. What the feck has he got to do with anything?

Presuming you're talking about the lead up to 1-0, how on earth can you get an "advantage" when your own man has waved at and handled the ball in his own box?
For one thing, you're meant to rule goals out when a player has handled it before a goal, and it wasn't exactly 5mins later on, it was within about 20-30seconds.

 

[Dumbstar]

We have been. At a minimum its a fk to liverpool after the advantage is over due to TAA handball, at most its a pen to city.

It simply cant be play on and a goal

The ref already saw Bernando's handball and made the call to play on. Can't overrule the ref specially when he made the correct call to play on.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

We have been. At a minimum its a fk to liverpool after the advantage is over due to TAA handball, at most its a pen to city.

It simply cant be play on and a goal

Exactly this.

The only question is whatever Silva's handball is an offence. I wouldn't say it is as it's completely accidental due to the ricochet and his arm isn't in a totally unnatural position... But that is certainly up for debate.

 

[Dumbstar]

TAA clearly handles the ball after it hits Silva's arm? That's not even something that can be up for debate

Fair enough. I accept that.

 

[dwd]

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[Josep Dowling]

The big issue with VAR is the rules seem to change every week. And because of that, useless pundits who don’t know the rules and terrible refereeing it becomes a massive farce every week.

Liverpool today. That first TAA is 100% a penalty, his arm is not in a natural position, unbelievably the Sky commentators tried to suggest it was! If the ref doesn’t spot that surely VAR has to give it.

The potential Salah offside was dealt with very badly. One replay provided about 15 minutes after the goal. Any close decision like that is usually reviewed for at least 2 minutes, and Sky show about 10 replays. Why didn’t VAR check that thoroughly like every other week? The line drawn on the picture provided were not parallel to the lines in the pitch either. I stand by his knee was offside and with the current letter of the law the goal shouldn’t stand.

The second handball isn’t a penalty, TAA has his arm in a natural position and it was slammed right into him from close range.

The push on the back by Mané is one of them where it would be a foul anywhere else on the pitch. It would have been a harsh penalty.

 

[Dumbstar]

Presuming you're talking about the lead up to 1-0, how on earth can you get an "advantage" when your own man has waved at and handled the ball in his own box?
For one thing, you're meant to rule goals out when a player has handled it before a goal, and it wasn't exactly 5mins later on, it was within about 20-30seconds.

Yep I'd be upset as a City fan in that case. I hope they now accept that there was no penalty. So it's a case of would we still have gone on to win? More than likely the way that defence was set up.

 

[arnie_ni]

Then its a fk to liverpool and no goal

Fair enough. I accept that.

 

[RUCK4444]

You mean stuff like the Smalling penalty in Roma-Gladbach? Sane's disallowed goal in City-Liverpool in CL? Kroos penalty in Real Madrid-PSG? OVREBO?

How many games were played across Europe the same week those games occurred? They were always a minority issue that will not be completely remedied anyway.

We haven’t even fixed the problem, all we have done is stain the face of the game. Anybody who doesn’t acknowledge it’s been at huge detriment to the experience of the game is lying or doesn’t watch the game avidly.

This is the biggest sport on Earth, a big part of the reason why is that it’s:-
quick paced,
Relatively uncomplicated
easy to watch
exciting...
all of those traits have been affected negatively by VAR. There’s no debate about that.

The premier league was the last great export from this country, I make no joke when I say I’m disgusted with just how poor VAR has been - and I predicted it would be awful, it’s even worse.

VAR... more divisive than decisive

 

[Josep Dowling]

This. Has no one talked about the 'actual' rules or are they just unaware of them? The ref and VAR did well to play on despite Oliver obviously spotting Bernando's handball. It was a good decision by him as Liverpool made full use of the advantage. I'd have been livid if it was stopped only for VAR to only give us an obvious freekick according to the actual rules of the game.

I really don't understand why 99% of people are talking about TAA. What the feck has he got to do with anything?

There is absolutely no way Michael Oliver played ‘an advantage’. Handballs always result in a freekick. If Silva did handball it should have been a free kick taken. He clearly missed that handball and decided TAA wasn’t handball either.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

I'm also very interested in why TAA's handball isn't classed as being part of the build up to the goal... At what point is the play deemed as build up? Or does Gundogan's clearance indicate a new phase, even though it was a rushed clearance under pressure?

 

[VivaObertan]

This. Has no one talked about the 'actual' rules or are they just unaware of them? The ref and VAR did well to play on despite Oliver obviously spotting Bernando's handball. It was a good decision by him as Liverpool made full use of the advantage. I'd have been livid if it was stopped only for VAR to only give us an obvious freekick according to the actual rules of the game.

I really don't understand why 99% of people are talking about TAA. What the feck has he got to do with anything?

.......QUE? This makes no sense at all.