Granted it’s a risk but it’s a different approach, you know Einstein’s definition of insanity right?
Performances have been poor, the recruitment and clearing of dead wood I feel is more important at this time
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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Performances have been poor, the recruitment and clearing of dead wood I feel is more important at this time
You know what happens to businesses who hire someone completely out of their depth to?
Getting the deadwood out was good, but then we haven't replaced them, and with the man at the helm being a yes man, he has created his own problems.
Despite the White text, this really is something Ed would probably end up doing
It's up to you if you don't like a CL finalist manager but Poch is available and Allegri. We are not out of options. That's a terrible point.
Were you against sacking Mourinho last season because no manager was available to take over? I guess not. You probably as the rest of Ole in crowd changed and contradicted all your opinions because of an ex legend on the helm.
Really? You could see pretty straight away that there were changes in the way Liverpool were playing.
We also had Rafa Silva and O'shea playing in midfield. Cleverly and Anderson were in midfield that beat Arsenal 8-2.
Mate it's not all about deserving to win. This year alone I have lost count to the amount of times that Liverpool won without playing well. Klopp while he has a better team and squad he is unlike Ole has a lot more luck.
Another cracking stat for Ole to stick in his scrapbook. Though you wouldn’t think so by the way Ole was wandering around applauding after the game as if he’d just won the FA cup.
Jeez I love me a manager that makes a final, I mean it’s the staple requirement on a managers CV.
2nd place losers don’t need to be held in particularly high esteem, the guys won as much as Ole, actually less I believe.
Not having a replacement manager of the required quality available is every bit an important reason not to change, you know like how you wouldn’t swap your Ford Fiesta for a wheelbarrow.
As it happens I never wanted Mourinho here in the first place and when he turned on the players and become toxic I was all for getting rid of him. However my concern again at the time was again the lack of replacements available.
Now with Poch available that is a viable option but he only became available a few days ago and people here have been asking for Ole to get the sack for months and months.
Yep hire David Moyes. Sack him then try it again with a worse manager. Insane!
Honestly, what a weird and disorganized post, you first says Poch is a second place loser and that we don't have a replacement of a manager of a required quality then finishes it with Poch being an actual viable option available but only for few days. Maybe try to organize your points a little bit?
If Poch is available then your point of no replacements is wrong. Period. And he's not the only one available, Allegri too. As for him being available for few days, it was easy to predict he will get sacked by Spurs if not now then by the end of the season anyway, considering their meltdown.
And the idea of putting Poch in the same line as Ole is ridiculous I can't get even get how many of you Ole in crowd are deluded enough to think that. I am sure I will never such argument being made at anywhere away from a United forum. We have replied it multiple times and people don't want to listen.
Anyway their both upcoming career movement is going to make such comparison pretty funny.
I was simply pointing out that whilst Poch is a viable option, mentioning that he’s made CL final means nothing.
Also that people here have been willing to get rid of Ole before Poch was available.
Seriously people think that just changing manager over and over again will work.
We are in this position now precisely because we have rushed and hired the wrong manager time and again.
So surely the best thing to do is keep hiring any manager thats available at the time...
Where is this supposedly on the cusp great manager that some people see? How come even a team from some Tier 2 European league like Portugal or Holland hasn’t plumped for him pre and post Cardiff? Even with these supposedly lofty achievements he’s accomplished with Molde?
Its blind faith and people seduced by nostalgia. They want that fairytale to come true that a Sir Alex disciple came in and did what all those more experienced, more accomplished managers couldn’t do, and basically be an exact clone of the arguably greatest manager of all time... which is ridiculously optimistic.
His credit for the PSG away win has long run out. It wasnt too long ago we were getting humped senseless by Marco Silvas Everton, and getting beaten by an already relegated Cardiff at OT.
Its blind faith and people seduced by nostalgia. They want that fairytale to come true that a Sir Alex disciple came in and did what all those more experienced, more accomplished managers couldn’t do, and basically be an exact clone of the arguably greatest manager of all time... which is ridiculously optimistic.
His credit for the PSG away win has long run out. It wasnt too long ago we were getting humped senseless by Marco Silvas Everton, and getting beaten by an already relegated Cardiff at OT.
It's not just CL final. He is a PL proven manager who did pretty well with a limited budget, not the best manager in the world, but of course better than Ole from every aspect, and his qualities are what we desperately need, getting the best out of his players, developing youth and coaching proper football.
Why should Ole be the manager we stick and be patient with out of all our other managers? Why should he be the one? Why can't, for example, sack him and be patient with the next manager? Why Ole specifically?
Because we would be on to our fifth manager in six years, at some point you have to realise it’s not the manager that is the only problem and continually changing that manager is just giving a lot of these players an excuse.
Do you think Phil Jones would still be here if we hadn’t had a revolving door of managers, or Ashley Young for that matter.
Just keep changing manager is obviously not working for us so let’s stick with one we got who isn’t out for himself like the last imposter and see how it goes.
How many managers did Liverpool sack to get to Klopp?
Problem is not the manager, problem is our board picking wrong managers. Moyes was an April fool's joke, LVG way past it, Jose was never going to succeed considering half of our fans already hated him the before we appointed him, Ole is completely out of his depth. We are yet to hire someone who is not a dinosaur or not absolutely clueless. Sticking with someone like Ole just because "we would be on to our fifth manager in six years" is a terrible reason. He should be gone tomorrow (5 months too late but better late than never).
He should have been gone yesterday. But oh well.
He’s sold 7 and signed 3 and we’re miles worse.
Top project that appeals to idealists.
So your happy to continue on this path for another 24 years to win our next title cause it’s coming up on 30 for them and thier gung-ho path of hiring and firing.
Sometimes things have to get worse before they can get better, especially if you end up with less options. He should be praised for taking the harder path.
Bang on.
The club now seem to have finally decided on a direction, so they should get the best manager available that matches that direction. Good football, trust in youth, and a fan of local talent.
If they done it properly 6 years ago we wouldn’t be in this mess of doing constant 180’s on our direction, transfer policy and managerial choices.
Yes I’m sure that 30 year drought would have ended a lot earlier if they had just stuck with Roy Evans.
And all these players get a fresh chance, can’t see what can possibly go wrong.
Oh yeah, they throw the next manager under the bus and the sequence continues.
Praised for making us worse? So just blind faith that this unproven manager will eventually get it right? What is that based on considering all evidence of his time managing in the Premier League with two clubs is horrific, his football poor/non existent and his win rate disastrous?
It’s based on daft ideal only, you like that he got rid of some players and brought in some honest ones, so that’s it, that’s enough for you to be sure he’s not gonna Graeme Souness us.
How many years has it been since Liverpool last won the league? Changing managers without a plan means feck all and sets us back even more every time we do it. It all has to start with the twat Woodward and all his lapdogs.
Who knows, I bet they didn’t expect a further 21 years at best when they fired him.
I would trust Poch to oversee a squad overhaul over a 2-3 period more than Ole, as much as i love him. I think we all would. Therefore i expect the club to be doing all they can behind the scenes to sign Poch up.
I don’t think he’s made us worse, he’s got rid of the fat only to be failed by the unfit. If after this next window and the summer one it doesn’t improve then I could see the argument for change.
You say bang on but who is this replacement and what makes them the right one and it be 4th time lucky?
LVG was sacked because the board got excited by Mourinho being available. It was an absolute disaster.
LVG had just made some progress and won the F.A Cup. It’s something that really grates with me. We’d be making the same mistake by appoint Poch, getting distracted by a shiny new toy.
Ole is doing really well with a really thin squad. But when we are good we are devastating.
LVG had just made some progress and won the F.A Cup. It’s something that really grates with me. We’d be making the same mistake by appoint Poch, getting distracted by a shiny new toy.
Ole is doing really well with a really thin squad. But when we are good we are devastating.
For those saying that Ole's signing have been great:
1. AWB - Defending is good but prone to have lapses in concentration. Attacking need to improve a lot to live up to his 50mil price tag.
2. James - Attacking wise he is doing ok but as a winger he needs to help more on defending. He is not top tier highly talented player with very high ceiling.
3. Macguire - He is a 60 mil CB at most. He is way over priced. With Ole playing such negative football we struggle to keep clean sheet says everything about our defence. Need to step up a lot to be live up to the world most expensive defender.
1. AWB - Defending is good but prone to have lapses in concentration. Attacking need to improve a lot to live up to his 50mil price tag.
2. James - Attacking wise he is doing ok but as a winger he needs to help more on defending. He is not top tier highly talented player with very high ceiling.
3. Macguire - He is a 60 mil CB at most. He is way over priced. With Ole playing such negative football we struggle to keep clean sheet says everything about our defence. Need to step up a lot to be live up to the world most expensive defender.
The fact that they hired an extra manager to provide him help says to me they didn’t need have a clue what to expect. Similar to hiring a manager from Molde. However sitting round doing nothing would have been just at incompetent.
For me it’s been Poch for a few years because:
A) he coaches good drilled football
B) he improves players
C) he uses the academy
The above appear to be what United have finally decided they want going forward. Now Poch doesn’t have to be the guy to bring us to glory, maybe he’s just a 3 year guy who prepares us in the right way for the next super manager who shares these ideals. But Poch is most certainly a better bet to undertake this rebuild that the club have decided upon, how is that even in doubt?
He should have been sacked a while ago.
But he won't be.
It's amazing how some of our fans have ACCEPTED mediocrity from this club.
But he won't be.
It's amazing how some of our fans have ACCEPTED mediocrity from this club.
Who can blame them for "throwing the manager under the bus" when they see their boss is doing a terrible job? When the manager is clueless or stops caring (like Jose admitted himself that he has lost passion in 3rd season with us), it directly affects the players. Now I am not saying whether it's right or wrong to do that but it's just like at any other job, your performance is surely being affected if you see your boss being useless. As I said, we are still to hire someone who is not a dinosaur or out of his depth.
Don’t rewrite history. Do yourself a favour and go sit for 90 minutes and watch Manchester United vs Norwich under LVG.
This and something everyone who is saying hire Poch are overlooking is the small matter that he was sacked less than a week ago... do these people really think he'd want to jump straight back into another role right this minute?
The likelihood is if we sack Ole now it'll be another care taker manager until the end of the season
In all honestly this thread and all other ole threads should be locked till the end of the season. Have some loyalty atleast till the season ends, having this shite repeated every week helps no one.
And sacking mid season hardly ever works out.
And sacking mid season hardly ever works out.
You know that people want us to be challenging next year or the year after, right? The majority won't give Pochettino any time, even if a lot now are saying different. Our fans are fickle and have proven this time and time again. Plus. with the current board, any manager is doomed to fail.
At least it was more exciting that the last time we played Sheff United. Progress innit.
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