How do they even recover from that much effort for their next game? They lost it in the worst possible way
Manchester City 19/20 season
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And their next game is against a side who hasn't lost away from home in 2019
Can someone explain the red card? It appeared to be incidental contact between two players going for the ball and trying to avoid contact. What did Ederson do wrong?
They are so thin at the back there’s no rest for the weary. I see them leaking goals late due to lack of energy.
If you come charging out of your area like Ederson did, you have to make sure you either get the ball or if you don't, miss the attacker which of course he didn't.
Red card all day long.
When's Laporte back? He'll miss our semi final won't he?
He missed the ball and hit the man. Two pretty big mistakes.
It doesn't matter that he tried not to take him out at the last minute, he hit him at speed while he was running through on goal...no matter the context, that's an instant red.
Interesting. Thanks. I thought they’d take into account the ball was out of play before the contact. Whoever the goal keeper coach is needs to tell them to tone it down. Bravo was ejected the last City match I watched and poor Walker had to see out the game in goal.
Thanks. That explains it. It appeared harsh given how light the contact and it was only 12 minutes into the game. Amazing City led for 80 minutes after that.
I said it after the Newcastle game and I'll say it again: Mendy should not start again. Another infuriating mistake. What on earth was he playing it. The guy's a fraud. Team had defended well until that point. Sums up our season. Far too many individual mistakes costing us points.
No Messi to bail out the Pep Guardiola is my idol again.
Aguero was subbed after 10 minutes so he'll be very fresh. Mahrez also off at half time. KDB subbed halfway through second. Jesus was ill so if he recovers their attacking players should have enough to knock a few past Sheffield even if their defence will struggle again.
Hoping they’re wounded and that the lack of rest affects them. No Ederson either but it’s a free hit for us, just grateful that we’re even playing in a fixture like this.
I wonder if we're beginning to see the same story unfold with Pep again as it did at Barca & Bayern. It's been widely believed that 4 seasons is just too much mentally and physically on the players for the demands of Peps footballing philosophy, and it's starting to show again with City. I believe Pep himself has said in interviews that his 4th season at Barca was a mistake, citing it as too taxing on himself, the players and everyone involved. Hence him consciously leaving Bayern after only 3 seasons.
The rest of the season will be interesting to see how that develops and whether this is a genuine trend to having Pep at the helm of a club. The Wolves defeat would suggest it's also it's time for City to divert their attention to the CL, but the question has to be whether the players have it in them given their struggles so far this season.
The rest of the season will be interesting to see how that develops and whether this is a genuine trend to having Pep at the helm of a club. The Wolves defeat would suggest it's also it's time for City to divert their attention to the CL, but the question has to be whether the players have it in them given their struggles so far this season.
City's woes are the consequences of a coach that is poor defensively prioritizing the ball playing abilities of GKs and defenders above their natural defensive duties.
That coach won back-to-back titles.
Pep and his philosophy.
Pr@ck.
Could have have dominated for years...But let Klopp feck him up the a**.
Pr@ck.
Could have have dominated for years...But let Klopp feck him up the a**.
When it comes to Denial of an Obvious Goal Scoring Opportunity (DOGSO), intent doesn't come into it. The fact is, if Ederson hadn't caught the player, he would have probably got the ball and scored. As the offence took place outside the area, it's a red card. If it had happened inside the area, a penalty would have been awarded and if it was decided that Ederson hadn't made a genuine attempt to play the ball, he would have been sent off as well.
In that situation as a goal keeper, get the ball or walk. It's the easiest red card a referee can give
Burnt out. Dead.
It’s like Guardiola is already off and they know it. The beginning of the end.
It’s like Guardiola is already off and they know it. The beginning of the end.
I'm concerned that the elapsed time should have any bearing on wether it's a card or not. First minute or last minute should have no bearing on it.
Literally 1 CB is injured
They are an embarrassment. How can you destroy a league one minute and then defend it so pitifully and be out of the race by December? Never seen a swing like that since Jose Chelsea
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No fight in this club. Just pretty football.
Works great until a team matches you with quality and also phyically bullies you.
Works great until a team matches you with quality and also phyically bullies you.
When was the last time the holding champions threw away a 2 goal lead to lose 3-2? Would be interesting to know.
What happened to the bestest and shiniest academy money can buy? I would have thought Pep, the man who can tap a young football player on the shoulder and magically make him world class, could scrounge someone off the showroom that floor.
I actually don’t think that City will improve much next season.
Losing Kompany was a huge blow, but next summer they will lose Silva and Fernandinho too. Aguero’s also near the end of his career.
A huge rebuild lies ahead.
Losing Kompany was a huge blow, but next summer they will lose Silva and Fernandinho too. Aguero’s also near the end of his career.
A huge rebuild lies ahead.
Unrelated, but how does a videoclip on Twitter amass almost 5 million views and still only have 800 interactions? Also 5m views in less than 24 hours? Twitter is weird.
And they spent 60m on a backup RB
Instead of blaming injuries, people should hold Guardiola accountable for an absolute shit-show of a transfer window.
Look forward to their CL ties against Madrid. If they don't win the CL, will Guardiola's time at City be considered as? A moderate success? Failure?
There was us in 13/14, too, but Moyes. I wonder how we would've done if Fergie had stayed on.
It's the same with the recent influx of Leicester and Liverpool fans. I wonder how many of them will stick around if they fall back on hard times because, y'know, they joined because it's the best place to talk footy!
Sounds like Donald Duck
Pretty sure Pep will be back with a vengeance next season. City have invested too much in this project to let him go after just 4 years.
We would have come 3rd or 4th I think. Would have sold rooney and surely Alcantara/kroos would have been tempted to work under Fergie? Strangely enough, Fergie was allergic to buying quality midfielders in his later years.
Maybe people just view the clip and do not care to engage in a thread? I know I do it.
It's video from Liverpool fan, those views are from since that Liverpool vs city game.
Link is below the video.
Ah, alright. I realise I have no idea how Twitter works, hah. Thanks though!
I am so sick and tired of Mancity fans moaning about the below items
1) laporte - Vinny left and they did not replace. The money spent on their defense is more than most teams complete squad. If you have no quality cover for Laporte, who is truly at fault here?
2) Mancity fans also moan alot about this conspiracy theory of the league gifting Liverpool the league. How about ensuring you win your matches first?
3) VAR. This one is funny. They truly believe Var was implemented to screw them. I dont know what to say about this but this is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. If the defense can stop shipping goals, VAR will never be an issue
I did personally enjoy seeing Peps face during the Wolves game. Sterling as well. It was glorious.
1) laporte - Vinny left and they did not replace. The money spent on their defense is more than most teams complete squad. If you have no quality cover for Laporte, who is truly at fault here?
2) Mancity fans also moan alot about this conspiracy theory of the league gifting Liverpool the league. How about ensuring you win your matches first?
3) VAR. This one is funny. They truly believe Var was implemented to screw them. I dont know what to say about this but this is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. If the defense can stop shipping goals, VAR will never be an issue
I did personally enjoy seeing Peps face during the Wolves game. Sterling as well. It was glorious.
doesnt make him perfect
If I moved to Manchester, I would support Citeh, it always looks like there will be tickets available.
Back from my 2.5 month hiatus and boy did I never predict us being in this mess.
Four major issues imho and I'm no tactical guru but heres my 0.02.
Issue 1 - Midfield - We play a midfield with zero pace vs those fast teams. Rodri is too slow to play as a loan CDM against United, Wolves, Liverpool etc.. he just can't cover the ground. He could compensate for this by playing Bernardo and KDB in the middle (which in fairness he has the last two games) and we look much better. Wolves game of course was changed on the red card. Pep though insists on playing Gundogan and David Silva as much as possible in there.
I love D.Silva but it time for us to face up to the fact that without the ball he's a passenger in our system. He simply can't again cover the ground needed in a high press and be effective getting forward in the channels once he tracks back. One of our greatest ever players but he should be an impact sub/rotation option for the remainder of his time.
Gundogan is a fine footballer but he's a coward, he never makes a tackle and pulls out of everything unless its a blatant tactical foul where he can't be hurt. He's also way too slow in our current system. Injuries have taken away his chance to be the player he possibly could have become. Still a bargain at £18m but has huge flaws in our system atm.
He can get by in the team with Fernandinho and KDB in midfield beside him but not with the other slow players. Like Silva he should only play when Fernandinho is in the defensive midfield role. With two slow players in there we are not able to get back when the (now half hearted) press is broken.
Issue 2 - Lazy Wingers - Mahrez kind of half presses when we don't have the ball, and Sterling looks like he doesn't genuinely give a shite defensively.
Basically we are going into game where of our front 3 only Aguero presses whilst Sterling stands hands on hips and Mahrez jogs around slowly. KDB presses but Silva and Gundogan don't. Its crazy easy to expose our backline as once that half hearted press is beaten Rodri is standing there too slow to cover the ground to stop anything.
Issue 3 - Defence - I'll stand by this till I die though many will disagree, we have some decent defenders at the club (Mendy aside). We again have a huge lack of pace in this area and with Pep's high line and lack of cover its a recipe for disaster.
For an example lets take the red card for Ederson vs Wolves. Its painfully obvious what Wolves plan was, get the ball in behind and use pace to get passed our slow defenders. Of all people Kyle Walker shits the bed and drops 10 yards deeper than a defensive line of Otamendi, Fernandinho and Sterling at LB (Mendy was off getting treatment). Those 3 could hold the line but Walker was afraid of Jota. Left a big space to put the ball behind our CB's. Coady dinks the ball in.
Otamendi gets alot of unfair shit for this. He doesn't have the pace to keep with Jimenez, he has to win the ball on the hop so commits, gets done. He has no choice, he's not beating anyone of Wolves forwards in a foot race over 20 yards.
Ederson looks like he's half asleep, wakes up comes storming out for a ball he's never going to get, 100% red card.
Issue 4 - Pep - I can honestly say I've never been as frustrated with a City manager as I am with Pep this season.
Last season it looked like he had learned from our failures, against teams who have rapid players up front and defend tight ala Liverpool. He kept a reign on the fullbacks, sat 10 yards deeper and we were the better team in pretty much every game we played for the season.
This season he has doubled down on doing the opposite. He's openly playing a high back line with little pace (outside of Walker who himself has slowed a tad), 40 yards from our goals against players with the ability to absolutely kill us. I should add he has stopped out fullbacks playing in the middle and they now sit high and wide so its a break of 3 fast attackers vs Otamendi, Fernandinho and Rodri more often than not.
Why he is so stubborn about playing a slow midfield, 3 awfully slow defenders, wingers who have no interest in the defensive part of his system instead of making the required tweaks I have no idea.
I should add, I'm not one of the idiots who wants him out but he has to take his share of the blame for this season. Some of his decisions have been baffling. Needs to pull his socks up.
Four major issues imho and I'm no tactical guru but heres my 0.02.
Issue 1 - Midfield - We play a midfield with zero pace vs those fast teams. Rodri is too slow to play as a loan CDM against United, Wolves, Liverpool etc.. he just can't cover the ground. He could compensate for this by playing Bernardo and KDB in the middle (which in fairness he has the last two games) and we look much better. Wolves game of course was changed on the red card. Pep though insists on playing Gundogan and David Silva as much as possible in there.
I love D.Silva but it time for us to face up to the fact that without the ball he's a passenger in our system. He simply can't again cover the ground needed in a high press and be effective getting forward in the channels once he tracks back. One of our greatest ever players but he should be an impact sub/rotation option for the remainder of his time.
Gundogan is a fine footballer but he's a coward, he never makes a tackle and pulls out of everything unless its a blatant tactical foul where he can't be hurt. He's also way too slow in our current system. Injuries have taken away his chance to be the player he possibly could have become. Still a bargain at £18m but has huge flaws in our system atm.
He can get by in the team with Fernandinho and KDB in midfield beside him but not with the other slow players. Like Silva he should only play when Fernandinho is in the defensive midfield role. With two slow players in there we are not able to get back when the (now half hearted) press is broken.
Issue 2 - Lazy Wingers - Mahrez kind of half presses when we don't have the ball, and Sterling looks like he doesn't genuinely give a shite defensively.
Basically we are going into game where of our front 3 only Aguero presses whilst Sterling stands hands on hips and Mahrez jogs around slowly. KDB presses but Silva and Gundogan don't. Its crazy easy to expose our backline as once that half hearted press is beaten Rodri is standing there too slow to cover the ground to stop anything.
Issue 3 - Defence - I'll stand by this till I die though many will disagree, we have some decent defenders at the club (Mendy aside). We again have a huge lack of pace in this area and with Pep's high line and lack of cover its a recipe for disaster.
For an example lets take the red card for Ederson vs Wolves. Its painfully obvious what Wolves plan was, get the ball in behind and use pace to get passed our slow defenders. Of all people Kyle Walker shits the bed and drops 10 yards deeper than a defensive line of Otamendi, Fernandinho and Sterling at LB (Mendy was off getting treatment). Those 3 could hold the line but Walker was afraid of Jota. Left a big space to put the ball behind our CB's. Coady dinks the ball in.
Otamendi gets alot of unfair shit for this. He doesn't have the pace to keep with Jimenez, he has to win the ball on the hop so commits, gets done. He has no choice, he's not beating anyone of Wolves forwards in a foot race over 20 yards.
Ederson looks like he's half asleep, wakes up comes storming out for a ball he's never going to get, 100% red card.
Issue 4 - Pep - I can honestly say I've never been as frustrated with a City manager as I am with Pep this season.
Last season it looked like he had learned from our failures, against teams who have rapid players up front and defend tight ala Liverpool. He kept a reign on the fullbacks, sat 10 yards deeper and we were the better team in pretty much every game we played for the season.
This season he has doubled down on doing the opposite. He's openly playing a high back line with little pace (outside of Walker who himself has slowed a tad), 40 yards from our goals against players with the ability to absolutely kill us. I should add he has stopped out fullbacks playing in the middle and they now sit high and wide so its a break of 3 fast attackers vs Otamendi, Fernandinho and Rodri more often than not.
Why he is so stubborn about playing a slow midfield, 3 awfully slow defenders, wingers who have no interest in the defensive part of his system instead of making the required tweaks I have no idea.
I should add, I'm not one of the idiots who wants him out but he has to take his share of the blame for this season. Some of his decisions have been baffling. Needs to pull his socks up.