We used to have a pretty handy manager here a few years back, played up front in his playing days. ;-)
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Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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Yeah and that's managers as a whole but when you look at how these managers do when they end up managing their ex clubs - going from ex footballers to coaching then being a midfielder seems to help.
Barcelona with Pep.
Zidane & Madrid
Enrique & Barca
Simeone&Atheltico
Now maybe Lampard, Arteta at their ex clubs possibly one day doing well - as I say the fact a midfielder has to dictate play surely has to have some benefit to a brain that contemplates how to manage a team well?
I'd want a xabi alonso, a pirlo, a Zidane & Guardiola to teach me how to play rather than say a Torres, Zlatan or a Berbatov?
*I'm sure there's plenty managers who are great from all positions - but it's just something I keep a little eye out on with ex players at their ex clubs and their success.
Nicky Butt should be considered if Ole departs then.
That's who I personally thought so too since he did all the work with the young fellas as well.
Just isn't going to be easy going from Ole to Nicky Butt either especially with the current hate to the 'United way' vs the Pochettino way etc. But you never know after all, all that really needs to happen is an interim contract & for him to work with the team almost instantly.
The other guy to potentially to keep an eye out on is Michael Carrick. He has been directly around under/ with SAF, Moyes, LVG, Jose Mourinho & Ole - you kind of wonder if he has seen everything that is right & everything that is wrong at the club, whilst kind of being able to know himself which tactics suited us all along before using it again.
Wasn't SAF a striker ?
For me the progress under Ole is really simple to see.
At the moment Jose was about to got sacked I only want to keep the following players at Utd: DDG, Martial, Rashford, Shaw (yes Shaw), Pogba, Matic (yes Matic), Herrera. Which mean 7/11 of the first XI and with Romero, McT, Smalling, Dalot as backups so 11/25 of our whole squad.
Edit: I forgot at that time Jose rarely play both Rashford or Martial together so only 6/11 of the first XI imo. And Young was playing most of the time so 5/11 tbf.
Now I want to keep: DDG, Martial, Rashford, Shaw (yes Shaw), Pogba, Maguire, AWB, McT. That means 8/11 of the first XI and James, Fred, Romero, Lindelof, Greenwood, Tuanzebe, Williams, Smalling, Dalot as backups so 17/25 of our whole squad.
Isn't that clear progress?
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Not when your nowhere near top 4. If you want to keep more players explain tome why we have gone worse.
Honestly I don't see much relation with keeping more players and have gone worse (which whether this is true is another debate tbf).
I want to keep a player because I think he's good or may come good, that's all. And if there are more good players in the squad isn't it clear progress?
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We are a midtable team if a manger came in and said he doesn’t want Maguire (Just an example) I wouldn’t be fussed. Only Martial, Rashford, Pogba and AWB are of standard for a ‘title’ challenge any one else who cares. I’ve not included DDG as he’s no longer the best in the business which is a shame.. he should be decorated with titles the way he had performed for us over the years.
But to keep on point I don’t see anything amazing about this rebuild to where I can see a world class team being built. Except for AWB it’s the same players we hoped to take us forward as the last 2-3 years.
It's a bit too far from "making progress" imo.
I just said we're making clear progress not building a world class team.
Btw this term of building a world class team is a myth imho. When a team becomes world class then suddenly their whole building process becomes such as well. If you look at Liverpool you'd see it. A couple seasons ago there were people laughing at their rebuild and Klopp if my memory serves me right.
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Progress to what? i think we are too big a club to just be happy with a slight improvement on the year before and we haven’t even done that.
We're not making "clear progress" at all though, right now with our form all over the shop and our league position pretty poor, it's hard to say anything clearly.
Despite not thinking Ole is the right man for the job based on his 12 months here, as I said before Newcastle, let's hope we beat them and go on a 10 game win streak, then we can talk about progress. A good Jan window would be a massive bonus here and then people could start getting excited.
Thing is, we could quite easily lose today and no-one would be shocked, in fact many expect it, so how anyone can claim "clear progress" has been made is beyond me.
I didn't said anything about form.
The only thing I said was we now have more good players (of course good imo). If we have more good players in our squad, isn't it clear progress?
Progress to be better ?
You should have a look in the definition of progress imho.
And whether we should be happy with that progress is another debate I think. But you can't deny the fact that we've made clear progress.
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If Liverpool wins the league, Fergunson must come back to United to knock them back of their fecking perch. Should have never retire. He could comfortably be managing United at his current age.
However, our tax accountant CEO has done his no's & due to the expected loss of income/margin in this current Fyr, then there is less money available as the chuffer wasted it over 6 years. So Ole is the front man to the front man. Boys boys boys - re-build me arse should only take two years from here with a 160m pa net transfer kitty.
Ole "look into my eyes into my eyes not round my eyes. 1 2 3 you are back in the room".
There you go folks, all brainwashed by the front man to the Regime. We were shite v Newcastle until they self-destructed. Lets get real, there will be no 10 match winning streak. There is no discernible pattern of play and we still are making too many individual errors et al.
Ole "look into my eyes into my eyes not round my eyes. 1 2 3 you are back in the room".
There you go folks, all brainwashed by the front man to the Regime. We were shite v Newcastle until they self-destructed. Lets get real, there will be no 10 match winning streak. There is no discernible pattern of play and we still are making too many individual errors et al.
It's interesting that you mention Ferguson. During the first three years in his United career, he was deemed as not good enough, and the knives were out for him, but the club had realised his worth by him rejigging the youth system (academy now), getting rid of a few players who were powerful characters, and possibly bad influences, in the dressing room, and bringing younger players into the first team set up.
Also remember that Fergie rocked up as the new young & very successful Aberdeen manager that had just broken the Old Firm monopoly.
As for Ole - he is just a playing legend end of.
Klopp successful in the Germany & now here. We need to be targetting Scouserpool in 3 years not this medium term re-build. In business, companies do sharp turn arounds and at the same time put in place sustainable success. Ed should understand this as a accountant, except the wassack spent money willy nilly on crap, overpaid crap[ and appointed the wrong men. If he and Glazers had the cojones when we were all calling for Moyes head and stuck with him for another 5 months hey presto = Klopp. Why the feck would he have gone to Scouserpool.
Life and business is about timing & Ed royally screwed it up 5 years back. Its now about timing again and Ole is not the man. We need to spend in Jan i.e. supplement the "turn around" aspect of this process and then go for the next new thing in management and spend heavily in the next two windows, Just not convinced its Potch.
Ok, so you feel Ole is not the man, I accept that, but what I am saying is that a lot of supporters felt that Fergie was not the right man at that time, which culminated in the famous Ta Ra Fergie flag that was presented at Old Trafford. This is no different. Ole did win the Norwegian league a couple of times with Molde, breaking the Rosenborg monopoly, but I guess that the Norwegian league is not as strong as the Scottish League, but even so, it was a similar achievement. We will never agree on who is the best person to take United forward, but I believe that we should give Solskjaer more time, you think he should go now, Vive la difference.
Fergie was given more time than today's standard, I give you that. Pedigree or not he wont last till he won his first in today's era.
But Ole got away with alot more, for much less.
Fergie got 2nd on his first year, comes managing us fresh from Aberdeen huge unprecedented success. He actually earnt that benefit of doubt, Ole hasn't earn anything as a manager.
So no, giving fergie more time isn't the same as giving ole more time.
But subsequently the team performance dropped dramatically. You could say like Ole's initial spell, new manager syndrome.
Then I can only suggest to watch some tactical analysis on Youtube, then maybe you will understand more. Cause there is a philosophy, although the players are not always able to carry out their tasks.
What I can’t understand about the Ole Out gang is this:
We had trouble breaking down well organized mid and lower table teams since Moyes.
Moyes: cross after cross. Mata as your no.10 starting in January. Fellaini as a key attacking piece.
LvG: side to side passing, no real threat in the air. Lingard / Mata as the no.10 options
Mourinho: side to side passing, send it in to Ibrahimovic or Lukaku or Fellaini. Lingard / Mata as the 10 options, with Mhiki at times playing 10, but mostly on the wing.
Ole: Trying to modernize our offensive tactics. Attack based on pace and quick transitions from defense to attack. Has moved away from a tall aerial striker to a pacy front 3. Lingard / Mata / Pereira as the no.10 options.
The Ole Out gang: “Ole’s tactics are poor, he’s a bad coach, can’t get results against lower table teams.”
Are LvG and Mourinho tactically inept? Both have won the CL and multiple league titles. Even They had problems breaking down teams. Jose’s response was to load the box with giants and lob the ball in. That worked somewhat, but was always a suspect tactic vs top clubs like Juve, Real, etc.
Secondly, the squad. Lingard and Mata have featured prominently in the LvG and Jose eras. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that neither of those two were ever good enough.
Does Ole need to figure out how to break down these sides? Absolutely, and he’s trying to do that. You see Martial drifting to the wings and Rashford moving inside when we have possession in the final third. But let’s not lay 100% of the blame at Ole’s feet. The last three managers have had the same problems. Until we get a top class no.10 (Maddison, Dybala, Erikson, etc.) we are going to struggle because we lack an aerial striker. It’s just a fact.
We’ll most likely struggle vs Burnley today. I expect it. But make no mistake, bringing in a new manager will do NOTHING to solve our issues vs lower table teams. Our own history is evidence of that.
You cannot adequately review Ole’s performance until he has at least his key players in place.
We had trouble breaking down well organized mid and lower table teams since Moyes.
Moyes: cross after cross. Mata as your no.10 starting in January. Fellaini as a key attacking piece.
LvG: side to side passing, no real threat in the air. Lingard / Mata as the no.10 options
Mourinho: side to side passing, send it in to Ibrahimovic or Lukaku or Fellaini. Lingard / Mata as the 10 options, with Mhiki at times playing 10, but mostly on the wing.
Ole: Trying to modernize our offensive tactics. Attack based on pace and quick transitions from defense to attack. Has moved away from a tall aerial striker to a pacy front 3. Lingard / Mata / Pereira as the no.10 options.
The Ole Out gang: “Ole’s tactics are poor, he’s a bad coach, can’t get results against lower table teams.”
Are LvG and Mourinho tactically inept? Both have won the CL and multiple league titles. Even They had problems breaking down teams. Jose’s response was to load the box with giants and lob the ball in. That worked somewhat, but was always a suspect tactic vs top clubs like Juve, Real, etc.
Secondly, the squad. Lingard and Mata have featured prominently in the LvG and Jose eras. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that neither of those two were ever good enough.
Does Ole need to figure out how to break down these sides? Absolutely, and he’s trying to do that. You see Martial drifting to the wings and Rashford moving inside when we have possession in the final third. But let’s not lay 100% of the blame at Ole’s feet. The last three managers have had the same problems. Until we get a top class no.10 (Maddison, Dybala, Erikson, etc.) we are going to struggle because we lack an aerial striker. It’s just a fact.
We’ll most likely struggle vs Burnley today. I expect it. But make no mistake, bringing in a new manager will do NOTHING to solve our issues vs lower table teams. Our own history is evidence of that.
You cannot adequately review Ole’s performance until he has at least his key players in place.
I don't need a YouTube video to understand football mate. If i don't see evidence on the pitch then there really is not much else to say.
Has he fecked up and played Pogba too soon again?
Oh, there is always something to learn from people who know more than yourself.
Have to be honest, I don't really understand the people who defended Mourinho to the death and now want Ole gone and visa versa.
People should want what's best for the team and not take their stance based on the fact that they have some weird affiliations to our managers. My stance is the exact same on both Mourinho and Ole; neither are what we need and neither good enough to take us forward. Both for differing reasons with Mourinho being too stubborn to adapt to modern football and Ole simply not being good enough. For these reasons I want/wanted both gone from the club. It's amusing reading some of the hypocrisy; some fans that want Ole gone were literally bitching and moaning at the ones that wanted Mourinho gone and have turned into a parody of what they used to moan about. Funny.
Ultimately, I think Ole will leave us better off than Jose but he's not good enough to take us forward. Unfortunately our football is generally as stagnant and unproductive as it was under Jose. Everytime we seem to make progress, we fail to build upon it. Here's to hoping we can build on Thursdays performance tonight.
People should want what's best for the team and not take their stance based on the fact that they have some weird affiliations to our managers. My stance is the exact same on both Mourinho and Ole; neither are what we need and neither good enough to take us forward. Both for differing reasons with Mourinho being too stubborn to adapt to modern football and Ole simply not being good enough. For these reasons I want/wanted both gone from the club. It's amusing reading some of the hypocrisy; some fans that want Ole gone were literally bitching and moaning at the ones that wanted Mourinho gone and have turned into a parody of what they used to moan about. Funny.
Ultimately, I think Ole will leave us better off than Jose but he's not good enough to take us forward. Unfortunately our football is generally as stagnant and unproductive as it was under Jose. Everytime we seem to make progress, we fail to build upon it. Here's to hoping we can build on Thursdays performance tonight.
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It's just amazing to me that over 50% of people want Ole out with us in 5th place with the squad we have.
It just shows we have too many glory hunters here.
It just shows we have too many glory hunters here.
Fecking hell, changed my vote again 
Here we go, counter wave incoming, pull out yours umbrellas.
Madness. You’d think the fans expect us to win the league with bloody Phil Jones!!! Phil flipping Jones!! With this squad we should be 15th let alone 5th. Keep it up Ole.
Ask yourself this, can we challenge with ole at the helm?
Even if you don't think we should be challenging, some of the football and clueless tactics are enough to suggest the job is too big for him. Just because we beat Burnley and Newcastle shouldn't cloud your memory about some of the atrocious management we have seen this year.
“It’s only Burnley and Newcastle”
Except he's also beaten Chelsea, City and Spurs. The Ole Out crowd have been going on about us being poor with low blocks and smaller teams. We've just beaten two poor teams in quick succession, and now you're saying that isn't enough? It's almost like you're moving the goalposts...
The United "fans" Ole out brigade right now
50% of voters. Most will be rage votes after a defeat.
I said sack and I’ll keep it there for the time being. There should be a 3rd option though I wouldn’t sack him now as top 4 is there so is Europa. I feel we should stick to what we have done to all managers and do no CL and you go. If we CL he stays, so it’s up to him if we get CL football he will keep his job still have a good chance
The United "fans" Ole out brigade right now
Yeah, today is our party. I was roasted after Watford game in this thread.
Then why the hell are we still out of the top 4? Is it because ole struggles to coach the players how to break down teams who like to sit back? I will be surprised if we finish top 4.
Man, however you put it, it actually means “keep”. “Keep” means no “sack”.
Can't be that clueless, we've been better against the top 6 than most other teams. We're struggling against the bottom half, but he can't be totally clueless. The way we beat City and Spurs was because we had great tactics. We also were heads on against Liverpool, as one of very few teams this season. We should have beaten Arsenal, but another personal error went against us.
We won't sack Ole midseason. We're not a Micky Mouse club, we finish this season, and somebody evaluates as we go along. If we're having Poch at the end of this season, so be it, but there's no chance we're sacking Ole now. That 4th place is ours if we're up for it, and the players love him. If Woody had been sacking Ole now, the players most likely wouldn't get the "normal" new manager bounce you'd get when the players are clueless, feed up and needs the new thoughts from a new manager.
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