If that actually was the quote in the summer then saying no to that price was just as daft as us trying to offer it now, given the need for a player like him at the time. I understand difference in values can cause delays, I just think our opening offer is weak sauce.
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You’re the one with the agenda. You’re talking nonsense.
No it’s not. We both agree that the board will have to take a hit and pay more than what they intended.
And then sold a player right before the window close without any replacement.
Wow you got me
Leicester openly stated all summer Maguire wasn’t leaving for less than £90m. We got him for £80m.Wow you got me
Palace wanted £55m for AWB and the Zaha clause removed. We got him for £45m and retained the clause.
What is your problem?
AWB was quoted 50m since the beginning. Then we got him for exactly the same price, 45+5m adds on (but with 10% sell on fee).
But yeh, maybe you have direct access to the deal.
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Going by the inability to spot recurring moves from our board for a couple of years now I'd put my bet on Alzheimer's actually.
Well there were certainly reports of 70m being quoted when we started negotiating. I remember Simon tweet about it as well.
Yeah but the Zaha clause was always the sticking point according to top journos, and Palace pushed hard for it.
And we got AWB for an initial 45m.
Was a well negotiated deal, doesn’t deserve the abuse it gets.
Well Woodward has a habit of negotiating upwards, by delaying a purchase.
Maguire was originally £10M less than what we actually paid for him. Jose wanted us to buy him...Woodie said "no". Then a year later we got him for £10M extra.
And don't get me started on Fellaini - paying more than his release clause.
If anybody can pay more for a player, it's Woodie.
If I sent Woodie shopping in a clothing sale, he'll probably end up paying full price. And Matt Judge will finish off the buffoonery by awarding that player a ridiculously high wage that nobody else in the World would pay.
^This.
Is that supposed to make me feel better?
The deal was a fair price, and met their initial bottom line. I'm not sure it was a well negotiated deal. Initial 45m, plus 5m adds on and 10% resell fee.
Just tap him up all the way to the summer, he's a boyhood United fan..
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Im not too disappointed in us showing the world we won't be held for randsom anymore. As long as we continue like this, in a few years, hopefully we won't be overspending for top players like we consistently have in the past.
If however we then spend 130m on maddison or 180m on sancho this will all be for nothing. But bruno is not someone we need to overspend on. He isnt worth 70m
If however we then spend 130m on maddison or 180m on sancho this will all be for nothing. But bruno is not someone we need to overspend on. He isnt worth 70m
Could United buy him for 40m and then buy a promising youngster of them for 10m, and they’d recoup 100% of the latter deal?
Is that not legally plausible?
Assuming they have some tasty prospects
Is that not legally plausible?
Assuming they have some tasty prospects
The problem Utd have is they set a precedent for overpaying by spending £80m on Maguire last summer. Sporting obviously saw us do that and have decided to teach us a lesson.
Our only hope of this happening is him doing something drastic like threatening to go on strike until he gets his move,however despite reports of him being angry with the president I don't think he has it in him to do that.
Our only hope of this happening is him doing something drastic like threatening to go on strike until he gets his move,however despite reports of him being angry with the president I don't think he has it in him to do that.
Nor should he. I do want him but i dont like players going on strike. Its unprofessional. Honour your contract or back yourself and sign a short term deal then go where you want on a free
Until we get a DOF this will be a reoccurring theme. nobody wants to do business with us due to lack of connections
Not that i am saying he is any good but he cant really do anything right. He seems to be doing the right thing here we are being taken to the cleaners here and he seems to be having non of it.
They initially wanted 50 up front and Zaha clause gone.
Nobody else is in for bruno. He wants to leave. Sporting need the money. If we're ever gonna take a stance its now. I dont mind this at all
I’ve never watched him play, but the question I ask is why where we and Spurs the only clubs interested in him in the summer.
I believe that´s accurate. The plan was to sign a striker (Haaland), and no one else this window. A shame with, Pogba, really. He looked very good the two cameos he had before he got injured again.
We bought Lindelof just before Leicester bought Maguire for less than half the price and Lindelof was Jose’s man so when Jose asks to buy Maguire down the track when he is going to cost a fortune I think Ed is well within his rights to say ‘No way Jose’
If the price ain't right, just walk away. It is as simple as that.
We set a precedent by being Man Utd, being shit for 6 years, and appointing a manager with very little pulling power.
Everyone knows we need players, and no ones gonna give them to us on the cheap just because it’ll suit us!! If we want to get back to the top, we’re gonna need to spend some money... it’s not like we can trick selling clubs into thinking we aren’t the 3rd most profitable team on the planet, or call their bluff by pretending we’re better off making do with a team of academy products. They all know we aren’t, FFS! Just like anyone who actually remembers the class of 92 knows how they were integrated into an already well established side of league winners, rather than expected to shoulder a ground up rebuild!
We can’t bitch about needing good players to get back to the level Man United deserve, and then complain when clubs asks us for higher fees because we’re Man United, and we need such players!
It’s one thing to insist we should stick by Ole in the name of long term planning... but it’s another altogether to accept that Manchester Utd should bow out of a high profile transfer because it might be slightly out of our price range. That’s a much more serious lowering of expectations than any deflecting of results could be!
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Its not about getting players cheap. Its getting them for a reasonable amount. 50-55m is more than reasonable in this situation
While I agree we shouldn’t pay over the odds, surely we would have had an idea what the asking price was before we let this transfer play out.
Stinks more of us trying our luck and trying to get the fee down to me.
Stinks more of us trying our luck and trying to get the fee down to me.
this story that Sporting doubled the asking price feels like classic Ed shenanigans
I expect a deal will be made on the final day because all three parties want a deal.
I expect a deal will be made on the final day because all three parties want a deal.
Are you comparing those squads to this dross? I'm talking about doing whatever it takes to improve the squad. I'm not advocating for loan in deals on principle...I'm speaking in the context of a board who can't identify targets, can't negotiate, can't strategize well ahead of time.
You could easily check this yourself but yes, Higuain, Kovacic, Falcao were loans for Chelsea. Douglas Costa, Howedes, Cuadrado, Benatia for Juve. Inter had 4, 4 , and 5 players in on loan the last 3 years respectively. Bayern have Coutinho and Perisic this year, Rodriguez the two previous years before. And Coman the year before that. Madrid have a keeper this year.
So the point is, if you have a settled squad with no glaring needs, are winning trophies, you're perhaps less inclined to do loan ins. But that description certainly does not fit the situation at Manchester United over the last 7 years.
What situation? We’re one of the richest and most famous clubs in world football, and everyone knows we’re at one of our lowest ebs.... we have very little bargaining power right now. To get back to competing we’re gonna need to pay over the odds... Either to entice big players wanted elsewhere to come to a work in progress (with a novice manager) or to compromise with clubs like Sporting who know they have an asset, and that we’re in dire need of his services!
Also, we aren’t fecking West Ham FFS! We don’t have a tight budget limit in the usual sense..., and if we do, we definitely shouldn’t be complaining about what they’re asking, but rather why the owners of the 3rd most profitable club in the world are refusing to invest in our paper thin squad!
Well said.
Lack of connections !!! We are Man United one of the most famous team in the world, you really think that the network of scouts we have , SAF, Bobby Charlton , Ed, the Glaziers dont have connections.
Best post of the thread by far.
I agree. We're likely to meet in the middle or near abouts. $65M or something. Usually one party is being more unreasonable than the other and will move after a bit of posturing.
I agree with you on both fronts. He is the cause of a lot of our footballing issues, but that doesn’t mean everything he does is wrong.
If it’s inflated price he is negotiating against, I also think it’s the correct thing to do, even if that means we miss out on him. Especially as it seems Lisbon have reneged on an agreed price.
It doesn't make any of us feel better, mate. But we should always stick to the facts
I thought we tried that under LVG and Jose spending a fortune on players and bringing in two managers whom had conquered all in club football.
I think the one of the reasons why it did not work was that we paid a lot of money for the wrong players so I can understand why we try and get the right players at the right price.
Looking at it from the players point of view; If we spend big on a player and he does not hit the ground running the fans will be on his back in no time at all, a decent price gives him a bit more time to find his feet in England.
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