momo83
Massive Snowflake
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He’s been there for x amount of years because he deserved those years and demonstrated progress.Yes, and he's been there for nearly three years to build this team.
He’s been there for x amount of years because he deserved those years and demonstrated progress.Yes, and he's been there for nearly three years to build this team.
They weren’t in the relegation positions when he became manager, he spent money in the window and still got relegated.Stop talking utter bullshit. Cardiff was a shambles of a team. It wasn't Ole's fault they got relegated, and to keep bringing it up to attack Ole is pathetic.
Even without Bruno, we already knew our football had no real structure. We play like the team has been assembled a week ago which makes what you said valid. It's easier to start for a team with zero planning during the seasonI mean, I just don’t see how it’s possible unless you’re just like “okay Bruno, go do your thing”
The entire coaching staff with Ole should be binned in the summer.Eveb without Bruno, we already knew our football had no real structure. We play like the team has been assembled a week ago which makes what you said valid. It's easier to start for a team with zero planning during the season
No point in buying him then. He's a goal scoring midfielder. Pereira should be nowhere near this team. And if Fernandes is continually to be sacrificed to accommodate him then there was no point buying him.You really think Fred and Pereira can be a good DM pair? It started like that but it was obvious it was not going to work. That and the fact we were up against a good counter team meant we need two DMs, especially with Fred needing to help with Adama.
How would you line up?
It's not a surprise, our front 3 is Martial, a championship winger and Pereira, the less said about Mata the better.The worrying aspect of this game is that Fernandes was our only goal threat.
There is always a point to buying a quality midfielder for a team that is lacking quality. Surely you understand that.No point in buying him then. He's a goal scoring midfielder. Pereira should be nowhere near this team. And if Fernandes is continually to be sacrificed to accommodate him then there was no point buying him.
They weren’t in the relegation positions when he became manager, he spent money in the window and still got relegated.
These statements are factually incorrect, or you can also call them blatant lies.Sure, I mean he was only there for six months, brought in seven players and they were worse than when he arrived. Oh, and none of those players lasted twelve months.
He is clueless. If you accept this you will be fine.
All good points. Plus - the fact that they brought-in a Rashfrod’s stand-in striker from China, a former Watford flop, doesn’t help a lot. We definitely needed a backup, veteran striker, but they had to do much better than this.Martial is useless without Rashford
Pereira is pointless player
James is back to championship level
Bruno is ok but he can’t save our season alone, we need Pogba and McTominay back
It's not different though really.Surprising how the factual reality is drastically different from an Ole-hating, warped perspective, isn’t it?
He really is clueless. A very average manager being allowed to spend tons of money as the team gets worse.Ole's tactical blunders:
- Starting Pereira and James in a game at OT against an even bigger counter punch team than we are, where we knew we would dominate possession.
- Playing Shaw at LB but instructing him to basically stay as a left defensive midfielder when we had the ball. While also telling James to cut inside rather than stay wide. Result: no left wing at all.
- Swapping James to the right wing at HT but apparently giving no instructions to him at all there, resulting in him and AWB getting in each others way with neither knowing when to go wide or inside.
- Keeping Pereira on for the second half and playing him as a sort of inside left midfielder. Dropping Fernandes deeper in the second half to accommodate this.
- Not bringing Greenwood on till what, the 72nd minute?! 27 minutes of diabolical football in the second half for him to react.
- Keeping Pereira and James on for 72 and 88 minutes despite them clearly both being useless.
- Not bringing Williams on to give us some width on the left / Not bringing Dalot on until the 88th minute
- Bringing Lingard on with a few minutes left for seemingly no reason at all but to lower our chances of scoring.
That's just off the top of my head. I'm sure there are dozens more.
Fact 1: They were not in one of the 3 relegation positions when Ole took over.These statements are factually incorrect, or you can also call them blatant lies.
1. Ole took over Cardiff in January, when Cardiff were 16th in the table, one point above the relegation places. So they pretty much were in the relegation zone. And they did not bring anybody in the winter window, so “spent money in the window and still got relegated” is a lie - plain and simple. They spent money after they got relegated (more about that below). He was asked to save them from relegation, while having only half season, using the same squad that was already in relegation zone. It didn’t work. Nothing too surprising there - chances were slim to begin with.
2. After relegation (and not before!) they got new players. But that was mostly because a lot of players left, so they were forced to replace them. That’s what massive inflow of new players was about. It wasn’t necessarily good news, and these players were not better than what he had before - it was just who they could get. And with this, basically a brand-new team they had a poor start of the season (shocker!). Cardiff owner sacked him in September for a poor start of the season, without giving him a chance to put together the team with 9 new players in it.
Bottomline: he walked into a crap situation, with the team that wasn’t good enough for EPL and wasn’t given time or players to turn things around. Doesn’t mean Ole is a crap manager, means the situation was crap.
Surprising how the factual reality is drastically different from an Ole-hating, warped perspective, isn’t it?
Considering Fred's initial horrendously dreadful matches he now has definitely improved himself but he has not improved the team even a bit. He is not losing the ball, passing accuracy is now better......and that's it.What?! Fred was one of our best players today and has been for weeks.
These statements are factually incorrect, or you can also call them blatant lies.
1. Ole took over Cardiff in January, when Cardiff were 16th in the table, one point above the relegation places. So they pretty much were in the relegation zone. And they did not bring anybody in the winter window, so “spent money in the window and still got relegated” is a lie - plain and simple. They spent money after they got relegated (more about that below). He was asked to save them from relegation, while having only half season, using the same squad that was already in relegation zone. It didn’t work. Nothing too surprising there - chances were slim to begin with.
2. After relegation (and not before!) they got new players. But that was mostly because a lot of players left, so they were forced to replace them. That’s what massive inflow of new players was about. It wasn’t necessarily good news, and these players were not better than what he had before - it was just who they could get. And with this, basically a brand-new team they had a poor start of the season (shocker!). Cardiff owner sacked him in September for a poor start of the season, without giving him a chance to put together the team with 9 new players in it.
Bottomline: he walked into a crap situation, with the team that wasn’t good enough for EPL and wasn’t given time or players to turn things around. Doesn’t mean Ole is a crap manager, means the situation was crap.
Surprising how the factual reality is drastically different from an Ole-hating, warped perspective, isn’t it?
I agree that the ref had a bad day but so did we sadly. We struggle so much against deep defences, our lack of movement in attacking areas makes it even worse. I hope Ighalo will stretch the defences a bit more than Martial does, could open up a few more chances for other players in games like theese.The ref was once again horrible. Failed to control the game. 6 substitutions and 4 minutes spent on the fake injury on Traore, combined with the ignored time-wasting. He didn't even bother to give the standard yellow card for it. Their last two subs took 5 minutes combined, 4 minutes in added time total. Makes sense.
Why didn't he give us anything for the two obvious take downs on Dan James? The two incidents should have been yellow cards. The one for stopping a counter and the other for stopping him on his way into the box. He didn't even call the fouls, let alone a yellow card. Wtf I've given up on these refs. Nobody seem to care what the hell they do, it's fine for them to just do whatever.
I agree but thats the job of manager to work out a system to bring out the best of the clubs assets. Although they aren't good enough for united standards they are still better than most PL bottom 10 midfielders. Of course i credit ole with the transformation of rashford mctom and fred but james could be employed better on the pitch, he is doing too many things at once. Whats his best position? Pereira has decent control and must be told off to keep things tidy and simple. This is on ole.Andreas and Janes are very average players that would struggle to get into relegation threatened teams...that is our problem
I guess our players are just plain stupid If you have to control every move from them.Ole's tactical blunders:
- Starting Pereira and James in a game at OT against an even bigger counter punch team than we are, where we knew we would dominate possession.
- Playing Shaw at LB but instructing him to basically stay as a left defensive midfielder when we had the ball. While also telling James to cut inside rather than stay wide. Result: no left wing at all.
- Swapping James to the right wing at HT but apparently giving no instructions to him at all there, resulting in him and AWB getting in each others way with neither knowing when to go wide or inside.
- Keeping Pereira on for the second half and playing him as a sort of inside left midfielder. Dropping Fernandes deeper in the second half to accommodate this.
- Not bringing Greenwood on till what, the 72nd minute?! 27 minutes of diabolical football in the second half for him to react.
- Keeping Pereira and James on for 72 and 88 minutes despite them clearly both being useless.
- Not bringing Williams on to give us some width on the left / Not bringing Dalot on until the 88th minute
- Bringing Lingard on with a few minutes left for seemingly no reason at all but to lower our chances of scoring.
That's just off the top of my head. I'm sure there are dozens more.
Or worst/stupid players in the PL. All of them should be criticized way more than they are. Ole is no SAF but our players are near Leeds level than any top team.We must be the worst managed team in the premier league.
Ah, more excuses for Ole. The players get criticism. You've missed the criticism Periera has received for example? Or everyone else? It's the managers job to manage them and get them to produce. Ole isn't merely no SAF. He isn't even Rodgers level.Or worst/stupid players in the PL. All of them should be criticized way more than they are. Ole is no SAF but our players are near Leeds level than any top team.
no excuses, fact. I’m neither Ole in or out.Ah, more excuses for Ole. The players get criticism. You've missed the criticism Periera has received for example? Or everyone else? It's the managers job to manage them and get them to produce. Ole isn't merely no SAF. He isn't even Rodgers level.
Pretending your view is a fact doesn't make it one. You said OR (rather than and) worse /stupidest players in the EPL, which is clearly an attempt to absolve Ole.no excuses, fact. I’m neither Ole in or out.
I said the same thing under Jose and LVG.... No manager will do anything with this trash and Owners.Pretending your view is a fact doesn't make it one. You said OR (rather than and) worse /stupidest players in the EPL, which is clearly an attempt to absolve Ole.
Well things were different under LVG and Jose. We got top 4, won cups and finished 2nd. So things can change and have done so. I agree that we have a problem at all levels - ownership, Ceo, manager and players. But right now the one I can only see changing is the manager and players. The latter is dependent on the former.I said the same thing under Jose and LVG.... No manager will do anything with this trash and Owners.
For example when you look at City lineup, only Aguero and David Silva are the only that have been since he took over.Well things were different under LVG and Jose. We got top 4, won cups and finished 2nd. So things can change and have done so. I agree that we have a problem at all levels - ownership, Ceo, manager and players. But right now the one I can only see changing is the manager and players. The latter is dependent on the former.
So what did you make of Bruno's, AWB's, Maguire's and James' peformance last night? What do you think of them in general?Ole or next managers needs 2-4 years to build something. Even longer if it’s impossible to buy more than one quality player in each window.
Bruno and Maguire I believe are good enough as starters along with De Gea and Pogba and Rashford. Rest needs upgrade.So what did you make of Bruno's, AWB's, Maguire's and James' peformance last night? What do you think of them in general?
That's a fair bit of last nights team, and a lot of money, so If they're part of the "trash" you claim our players to be, why give Ole more money?
Fair enough!Bruno and Maguire I believe are good enough as starters along with De Gea and Pogba and Rashford. Rest needs upgrade.
AWB is brilliant defensivel but worst PL fullback attacking wise. I think he could be good as RCB in 3-5-2 system.
James is just Championship level player, squad player at best.
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