He’s been there for x amount of years because he deserved those years and demonstrated progress.
PL D FA Premier League
Manchester United 0:0 Wolverhampton Wanderers
Post-match discussion
Sat, 01 February 2020
They weren’t in the relegation positions when he became manager, he spent money in the window and still got relegated.
Even without Bruno, we already knew our football had no real structure. We play like the team has been assembled a week ago which makes what you said valid. It's easier to start for a team with zero planning during the season
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Our subs say everything about where we are at -- a 18y.o kid, Lingard and a player who is constantly injured.
To try and change a game and thats all we have to offer? We should have got a few more loanees.
To try and change a game and thats all we have to offer? We should have got a few more loanees.
The entire coaching staff with Ole should be binned in the summer.
I don't want any of them to remain.
The ref was once again horrible. Failed to control the game. 6 substitutions and 4 minutes spent on the fake injury on Traore, combined with the ignored time-wasting. He didn't even bother to give the standard yellow card for it. Their last two subs took 5 minutes combined, 4 minutes in added time total. Makes sense.
Why didn't he give us anything for the two obvious take downs on Dan James? The two incidents should have been yellow cards. The one for stopping a counter and the other for stopping him on his way into the box. He didn't even call the fouls, let alone a yellow card. Wtf
I've given up on these refs. Nobody seem to care what the hell they do, it's fine for them to just do whatever.
Why didn't he give us anything for the two obvious take downs on Dan James? The two incidents should have been yellow cards. The one for stopping a counter and the other for stopping him on his way into the box. He didn't even call the fouls, let alone a yellow card. Wtf
I've given up on these refs. Nobody seem to care what the hell they do, it's fine for them to just do whatever.No point in buying him then. He's a goal scoring midfielder. Pereira should be nowhere near this team. And if Fernandes is continually to be sacrificed to accommodate him then there was no point buying him.
The worrying aspect of this game is that Fernandes was our only goal threat.
Wolves have at least as good a first XI as us at the moment given our injuries. Dire game, boring opposition.
It's not a surprise, our front 3 is Martial, a championship winger and Pereira, the less said about Mata the better.
There is always a point to buying a quality midfielder for a team that is lacking quality. Surely you understand that.
Martial is useless without Rashford
Pereira is pointless player
James is back to championship level
Bruno is ok but he can’t save our season alone, we need Pogba and McTominay back
Pereira is pointless player
James is back to championship level
Bruno is ok but he can’t save our season alone, we need Pogba and McTominay back
First half is not bad (standard low now so...), dominate possession and attacking but no finishing.
Second half is just pure terrible... manager also decided to let it be.
Big reasons are Bruno playing further up front thus our attack is slightly more direct and more penetration in first half.
Second half is just pure terrible... manager also decided to let it be.
Big reasons are Bruno playing further up front thus our attack is slightly more direct and more penetration in first half.
These statements are factually incorrect, or you can also call them blatant lies.
1. Ole took over Cardiff in January, when Cardiff were 16th in the table, one point above the relegation places. So they pretty much were in the relegation zone. And they did not bring anybody in the winter window, so “spent money in the window and still got relegated” is a lie - plain and simple. They spent money after they got relegated (more about that below). He was asked to save them from relegation, while having only half season, using the same squad that was already in relegation zone. It didn’t work. Nothing too surprising there - chances were slim to begin with.
2. After relegation (and not before!) they got new players. But that was mostly because a lot of players left, so they were forced to replace them. That’s what massive inflow of new players was about. It wasn’t necessarily good news, and these players were not better than what he had before - it was just who they could get. And with this, basically a brand-new team they had a poor start of the season (shocker!). Cardiff owner sacked him in September for a poor start of the season, without giving him a chance to put together the team with 9 new players in it.
Bottomline: he walked into a crap situation, with the team that wasn’t good enough for EPL and wasn’t given time or players to turn things around. Doesn’t mean Ole is a crap manager, means the situation was crap.
Surprising how the factual reality is drastically different from an Ole-hating, warped perspective, isn’t it?
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All good points. Plus - the fact that they brought-in a Rashfrod’s stand-in striker from China, a former Watford flop, doesn’t help a lot. We definitely needed a backup, veteran striker, but they had to do much better than this.
It's not different though really.
He wasn't good enough for that job. He never would have been. No other club in the top two divisions will give him even half a look whenever we inevitably sack him.
Same old problem- we can’t score against teams that defend deep and get players behind the ball. A big part of that is the lack of creativity but there’s an obvious lack of attacking an effective plan for these situations, and there has been for years.
Ole's tactical blunders:
- Starting Pereira and James in a game at OT against an even bigger counter punch team than we are, where we knew we would dominate possession.
- Playing Shaw at LB but instructing him to basically stay as a left defensive midfielder when we had the ball. While also telling James to cut inside rather than stay wide. Result: no left wing at all.
- Swapping James to the right wing at HT but apparently giving no instructions to him at all there, resulting in him and AWB getting in each others way with neither knowing when to go wide or inside.
- Keeping Pereira on for the second half and playing him as a sort of inside left midfielder. Dropping Fernandes deeper in the second half to accommodate this.
- Not bringing Greenwood on till what, the 72nd minute?! 27 minutes of diabolical football in the second half for him to react.
- Keeping Pereira and James on for 72 and 88 minutes despite them clearly both being useless.
- Not bringing Williams on to give us some width on the left / Not bringing Dalot on until the 88th minute
- Bringing Lingard on with a few minutes left for seemingly no reason at all but to lower our chances of scoring.
That's just off the top of my head. I'm sure there are dozens more.
- Starting Pereira and James in a game at OT against an even bigger counter punch team than we are, where we knew we would dominate possession.
- Playing Shaw at LB but instructing him to basically stay as a left defensive midfielder when we had the ball. While also telling James to cut inside rather than stay wide. Result: no left wing at all.
- Swapping James to the right wing at HT but apparently giving no instructions to him at all there, resulting in him and AWB getting in each others way with neither knowing when to go wide or inside.
- Keeping Pereira on for the second half and playing him as a sort of inside left midfielder. Dropping Fernandes deeper in the second half to accommodate this.
- Not bringing Greenwood on till what, the 72nd minute?! 27 minutes of diabolical football in the second half for him to react.
- Keeping Pereira and James on for 72 and 88 minutes despite them clearly both being useless.
- Not bringing Williams on to give us some width on the left / Not bringing Dalot on until the 88th minute
- Bringing Lingard on with a few minutes left for seemingly no reason at all but to lower our chances of scoring.
That's just off the top of my head. I'm sure there are dozens more.
He really is clueless. A very average manager being allowed to spend tons of money as the team gets worse.Ole's tactical blunders:
- Starting Pereira and James in a game at OT against an even bigger counter punch team than we are, where we knew we would dominate possession.
- Playing Shaw at LB but instructing him to basically stay as a left defensive midfielder when we had the ball. While also telling James to cut inside rather than stay wide. Result: no left wing at all.
- Swapping James to the right wing at HT but apparently giving no instructions to him at all there, resulting in him and AWB getting in each others way with neither knowing when to go wide or inside.
- Keeping Pereira on for the second half and playing him as a sort of inside left midfielder. Dropping Fernandes deeper in the second half to accommodate this.
- Not bringing Greenwood on till what, the 72nd minute?! 27 minutes of diabolical football in the second half for him to react.
- Keeping Pereira and James on for 72 and 88 minutes despite them clearly both being useless.
- Not bringing Williams on to give us some width on the left / Not bringing Dalot on until the 88th minute
- Bringing Lingard on with a few minutes left for seemingly no reason at all but to lower our chances of scoring.
That's just off the top of my head. I'm sure there are dozens more.
Fact 1: They were not in one of the 3 relegation positions when Ole took over.
Fact 2:
They bought in a total of 7 players during Ole’s winter window.
That’s all there is you can deluded yourself but you can’t delude others. People can easily see for themselves.
Considering Fred's initial horrendously dreadful matches he now has definitely improved himself but he has not improved the team even a bit. He is not losing the ball, passing accuracy is now better......and that's it.
Problem is that our team has been so bad for so long we all have inadvertently lowered our bar of expectations.
PS: fred can be a useful player though over a long season. Not asking to offload.
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Someone says they weren't in the relegation zone. You go on to confirm this as true when you say they were one point above it then turn around and say it's a lie to claim that they weren't.
You also say that they didn't bring anyone in during the window and that Ole had to work with the same squad. To state otherwise is a lie according to you yet in reality they signed Mats Møller Dæhli, Magnus Wollf Eikrem, Fabio, Kenwynne Jones and Jo Inge Berget. They also took Zaha on loan plus just after the window closed signed Juan Cala as a free agent after he voluntarily terminated his own contract with Sevilla so he could join them.
Do you know what the terms "lie" and "factually incorrect" even mean?
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Did Martial even took a shot at goal yesterday? I can't remember...
We must be the worst managed team in the premier league.
I agree that the ref had a bad day but so did we sadly. We struggle so much against deep defences, our lack of movement in attacking areas makes it even worse. I hope Ighalo will stretch the defences a bit more than Martial does, could open up a few more chances for other players in games like theese.The ref was once again horrible. Failed to control the game. 6 substitutions and 4 minutes spent on the fake injury on Traore, combined with the ignored time-wasting. He didn't even bother to give the standard yellow card for it. Their last two subs took 5 minutes combined, 4 minutes in added time total. Makes sense.
Why didn't he give us anything for the two obvious take downs on Dan James? The two incidents should have been yellow cards. The one for stopping a counter and the other for stopping him on his way into the box. He didn't even call the fouls, let alone a yellow card. Wtf
I agree but thats the job of manager to work out a system to bring out the best of the clubs assets. Although they aren't good enough for united standards they are still better than most PL bottom 10 midfielders. Of course i credit ole with the transformation of rashford mctom and fred but james could be employed better on the pitch, he is doing too many things at once. Whats his best position? Pereira has decent control and must be told off to keep things tidy and simple. This is on ole.
I guess our players are just plain stupid If you have to control every move from them.Ole's tactical blunders:
- Starting Pereira and James in a game at OT against an even bigger counter punch team than we are, where we knew we would dominate possession.
- Playing Shaw at LB but instructing him to basically stay as a left defensive midfielder when we had the ball. While also telling James to cut inside rather than stay wide. Result: no left wing at all.
- Swapping James to the right wing at HT but apparently giving no instructions to him at all there, resulting in him and AWB getting in each others way with neither knowing when to go wide or inside.
- Keeping Pereira on for the second half and playing him as a sort of inside left midfielder. Dropping Fernandes deeper in the second half to accommodate this.
- Not bringing Greenwood on till what, the 72nd minute?! 27 minutes of diabolical football in the second half for him to react.
- Keeping Pereira and James on for 72 and 88 minutes despite them clearly both being useless.
- Not bringing Williams on to give us some width on the left / Not bringing Dalot on until the 88th minute
- Bringing Lingard on with a few minutes left for seemingly no reason at all but to lower our chances of scoring.
That's just off the top of my head. I'm sure there are dozens more.
Or worst/stupid players in the PL. All of them should be criticized way more than they are. Ole is no SAF but our players are near Leeds level than any top team.
Ah, more excuses for Ole. The players get criticism. You've missed the criticism Periera has received for example? Or everyone else? It's the managers job to manage them and get them to produce. Ole isn't merely no SAF. He isn't even Rodgers level.
no excuses, fact. I’m neither Ole in or out.
I dont keep track of the formation every game but surely this insistence of using 4-2-3-1 so often must be questioned. Even arm chair managers who play Football Manager for example actually change formation for games, depending on several factors - home/away, opposition's weaknesses/strengths, players missing, players in form, etc.
So why is Ole unable to do this? I feel it adds to the naysayers argument that he is fairly clueless and unable to adapt.
As for the game, i didn't even realise James was playing for the first 20 minutes! We have too many players who fans are now labelling 'decent squad options', him being one. Then there is Pereira, Martial, Lingard etc. These players should not be decent squad options full stop, because they are simply not good enough! Get rid and bring in true quality.
So why is Ole unable to do this? I feel it adds to the naysayers argument that he is fairly clueless and unable to adapt.
As for the game, i didn't even realise James was playing for the first 20 minutes! We have too many players who fans are now labelling 'decent squad options', him being one. Then there is Pereira, Martial, Lingard etc. These players should not be decent squad options full stop, because they are simply not good enough! Get rid and bring in true quality.
Pretending your view is a fact doesn't make it one. You said OR (rather than and) worse /stupidest players in the EPL, which is clearly an attempt to absolve Ole.
I said the same thing under Jose and LVG.... No manager will do anything with this trash and Owners.
Well things were different under LVG and Jose. We got top 4, won cups and finished 2nd. So things can change and have done so. I agree that we have a problem at all levels - ownership, Ceo, manager and players. But right now the one I can only see changing is the manager and players. The latter is dependent on the former.
For example when you look at City lineup, only Aguero and David Silva are the only that have been since he took over.
And Henderson and Firminho? Only two players before Klopp took over.
Last summer United still had Smalling, Jones, De Gea, Young, Lingard and Valencia just left, all those were squad players Except De Gea under SAF 7 years ago! How can United be a top club again if owners and board are just happy about that! Or last good right winger was Nani, he left 5 or 6 years ago. Are fans really surprised we so shit ? Ed and the board love to over pay every players aswell since SAF and Gill left.
Ole or next managers needs 2-4 years to build something. Even longer if it’s impossible to buy more than one quality player in each window.
There was no obvious pattern of play. I’m not in the Ole out brigade but games like this would be easier to stomach if we saw some pattern of play of changes in the second half. Wolves had the clearest chances and we should be lucky to walk away with the 1pt.
Bruno looked our best player and found himself in lots of space. Unfortunately perreira and wan bissaka have a combined vision of stevie wonder and failed to spray to him time after time. When he got the ball, nobody made any runs, it was dreadful. How much is this on the players vs manager? So glad we’ve got a break until the chelsea game!
Bruno looked our best player and found himself in lots of space. Unfortunately perreira and wan bissaka have a combined vision of stevie wonder and failed to spray to him time after time. When he got the ball, nobody made any runs, it was dreadful. How much is this on the players vs manager? So glad we’ve got a break until the chelsea game!
Playing against Wolves will always be tough because of how they set up to play and they are a well drilled team who know exactly what they're trying to do.
Credit to the boys for keeping the pressure on them for the whole 90mins. Bruno was alright but you won't get much from a creative midfielder when there are no runners up front. Martial basically played the whole game backing the wolves defenders and that's convenient for their game plan as they kept fouling him before he can get hold of the ball and turn.
Ole and the coaches need to get our front men to make diagonal runs into the box while the full backs make forward runs to the byline, I mean every big team plays like this except us. When we have the ball our attackers are standing still and backing wolves defenders, that slows down the attack and takes the creativity out of even the best midfielders.
This is something that happens game after game. The only time our front Men make runs is during a counter attack and with teams that sit deep and bully the forwards you won't get plenty of those.
Fred has really been good, we are making progress however. More players will be back after the break and hopefully we get to see better tactical set up from Ole and the coaching staff.
Credit to the boys for keeping the pressure on them for the whole 90mins. Bruno was alright but you won't get much from a creative midfielder when there are no runners up front. Martial basically played the whole game backing the wolves defenders and that's convenient for their game plan as they kept fouling him before he can get hold of the ball and turn.
Ole and the coaches need to get our front men to make diagonal runs into the box while the full backs make forward runs to the byline, I mean every big team plays like this except us. When we have the ball our attackers are standing still and backing wolves defenders, that slows down the attack and takes the creativity out of even the best midfielders.
This is something that happens game after game. The only time our front Men make runs is during a counter attack and with teams that sit deep and bully the forwards you won't get plenty of those.
Fred has really been good, we are making progress however. More players will be back after the break and hopefully we get to see better tactical set up from Ole and the coaching staff.
So what did you make of Bruno's, AWB's, Maguire's and James' peformance last night? What do you think of them in general?
That's a fair bit of last nights team, and a lot of money, so If they're part of the "trash" you claim our players to be, why give Ole more money?
Bruno and Maguire I believe are good enough as starters along with De Gea and Pogba and Rashford. Rest needs upgrade.
AWB is brilliant defensivel but worst PL fullback attacking wise. I think he could be good as RCB in 3-5-2 system.
James is just Championship level player, squad player at best.
Fair enough!
Man of the Match
Runners-up
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25%
Bruno Fernandes
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22%
Fred
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11%
Luke Shaw
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8%
Aaron Wan-Bissaka
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2%
Juan Mata
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2%
David de Gea
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2%
Victor Lindelof
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1%
Diogo Dalot
Player Ratings
Total Average Rating
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Lowest Rated Player
Compiled from 317 ratings.
Score Predictions
187,25,39
- Man Utd win
- Wolves win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 26% Man Utd 2:1 Wolves
- 22% Man Utd 2:0 Wolves
- 12% Man Utd 1:1 Wolves
- 10% Man Utd 1:0 Wolves
- 7% Man Utd 3:1 Wolves
- 7% Man Utd 3:0 Wolves
- 4% Man Utd 1:2 Wolves
- 2% Man Utd 0:2 Wolves
- 2% Man Utd 0:1 Wolves
- 2% Man Utd 0:0 Wolves
- 2% Man Utd 2:2 Wolves
- 1% Man Utd 4:0 Wolves
- 1% Man Utd 4:1 Wolves
- 1% Man Utd 0:5 Wolves
- 1% Man Utd 5:0 Wolves
- 0% Man Utd 1:3 Wolves
- 0% Man Utd 0:3 Wolves
- 0% Man Utd 4:2 Wolves
Match Stats
- Man Utd
- Wolves
- Possession
- 64% 36%
- Shots
- 16 15
- Shots on Target
- 5 4
- Corners
- 4 6
- Fouls
- 14 15
Referee
Paul Tierney
Man Utd Lineup
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replaced by Jesse Lingard
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replaced by Mason Greenwood
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replaced by Diogo Dalot
