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So you think he's having a better season than Fred is? Interesting.Keita has got more goals and assists than Fred despite having played less games.
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So you think he's having a better season than Fred is? Interesting.Keita has got more goals and assists than Fred despite having played less games.
So yeah, lets talk Maguire, DDG, Lindelof, Shaw, Fred, Martial. What's the combined cost? Yeah Coady would cost loads. Pity Wolves picked him years ago in the Championship and made him as good as he is today, much like Doherty.Rashford - free
Lingard - free
Greenwood - free
Williams - free
Pereira - almost free
McTominay - free
If Nuno is working some kind of miracle with cut price Mendes clients then what is Ole doing with this lot? You can't have it both ways.
If we wanted even Coady we'd be quoted £50m+. That's the comparison with Maguire to judge the quality of the two sides, not how much he cost years ago.
He's barely played this season, but overall from what I've seen of the two, Keita is the better player.So you think he's having a better season than Fred is? Interesting.
Or you could argue it's a classic case of recentism, Fred has been good recently, hardly makes him the best midfielder in the league. Even if you look at the stats for just this campaign, so classic recentism, the top three performers are Ndidi, Maddison and Grealish, who have all been amazing, Fred is nowhere near these three. Yes that is right, Ndidi. Below them in the next bracket you have the likes of McGinn(having a storming season), Henderson, McTominay, Moutinho. Then I would put Fred in with the next group of midfielders after that. Rodrigo, Shelvey, who is having a good campaign this season btw, 5 goals to his name. Ward-Prowse, Alli, Fernandinho, Jorgino, Kovacic.Laughable list. Bar Henderson none can really claim to have standed out above the rest. You just plucked a group of names that shows clearly you don't watch these players play every game outside of highlights. Kanté for example has been poor by his usual standard and some Chelsea fans think that they have been worse after his return .Classic CAF overrating rivals players while underrating our own
So does Dominic Solanke, and he’s shite. Fred is not measured by goals, and neither is Keita, and if they were, then Keita doesn’t have nearly enough goals for it to be even worth mentioning.Keita has got more goals and assists than Fred despite having played less games.
If it's that much better why are so many putting 4/5 Wolves players in? It's a better squad than Wolves with Pogba and Rashford fit, without them there's not much in it. Transfer fee paid does not always = better player, if anyone has learnt that over the last few years it's us.So yeah, lets talk Maguire, DDG, Lindelof, Shaw, Fred, Martial. What's the combined cost? Yeah Coady would cost loads. Pity Wolves picked him years ago in the Championship and made him as good as he is today, much like Doherty.
Our squad cost a feck tonne more because it's a feck tonne better. Nuno is doing far better than he should with that team. Do you know why? Because he's actually a good manager. Ole is having a mare with a far better squad bevsude well, he's a bit shit.
So who is having the better season and who has performed better in English football so far? At £60+m you'd like to think Keita is the better player but for me he's shown nothing to justify the obscene price tag.He's barely played this season, but overall from what I've seen of the two, Keita is the better player.
Keita has been an absolute flop when you consider the fee. Fred has started to pull his price tag back this year but again Keita is nowhere to be seen.So does Dominic Solanke, and he’s shite. Fred is not measured by goals, and neither is Keita, and if they were, then Keita doesn’t have nearly enough goals for it to be even worth mentioning.
Undoubtedly. By market rates, Fred is now in the black, or at least broken even in terms of value/contribution. Keita is very much in the red.Keita has been an absolute flop when you consider the fee. Fred has started to pull his price tag back this year but again Keita is nowhere to be seen.
How you could pick Keita ahead of Fred at the moment is beyond me. Absolute blinkered bias from @Megadrive Man.
Good team, I do feel harsh about leaving Mourinho out.DDG
Doherty - Maguire - Coady - Williams
Neves
Pogba - Bruno
Traore - Jimenez - Rashford
Because our shit manager has lowered the standards so much, that's why.If it's that much better why are so many putting 4/5 Wolves players in? It's a better squad than Wolves with Pogba and Rashford fit, without them there's not much in it. Transfer fee paid does not always = better player, if anyone has learnt that over the last few years it's us.
If you think Fred has justified his fee then standards at Man United are now even lower than I thought!Undoubtedly. By market rates, Fred is now in the black, or at least broken even in terms of value/contribution. Keita is very much in the red.
McTominay, Andreas Pereira has more goals and assists than Fabinho and Wijnaldum. They must be better than Liverpool players too.Keita has got more goals and assists than Fred despite having played less games.
If we played on paper i'm sure some of them would, however ....This is a depressing thread.
And more depressing because some of their players would actually improve us
Yep. There's a lot of agenda posting surrounding Ole right now and hence by extension, our squad. I mean, come on, how would Martial not get into the Wolves team. He may disappoint some by Manchester United standards but he easily makes a combined team as does Rashford Pogba, nearly our entire back 5 and a few other midfielders have a strong shot too - Fernandes, Fred, Mctominay.Some serious revisionism here about Wolves apparently being all that and close to us in terms of quality. This is no disrespect whatsoever to them but more a testament to the marvellous work of Nuno. Let's take a look at some of these players that are apparently at a similar level to our team:
Patricio - Came after spending his whole career in Portugal for a fee of around £16m
Doherty - Signed for £75k back in 2010
Coady - Signed for around £2m from Huddersfield
Boly - Was a complete failure at Porto £11m
Jonny - Couldn't break into the Atletico team and signed for £15m
Neves - Had lost his way at Porto and signed for £15m
Moutinho - Signed as a 31 year old for around £5m
Dendoncker - No one ever took a gamble on him from Anderlecht and cost Wolves around £13m
Jota - £12m after failing to break into Atletico team following a loan at Porto
Jimenez - Wasn't up to much in Portugal before a good season on loan followed by a £30m transfer
Traore - Signed from Boro as an erractic work in progress for £18m
Now, people are trying to claim that these players are genuinely better than ours? I'm sorry but this just illustrates the fantastic job that Nuno is doing. Give these players to Ole and we would be honestly 15th or thereabouts. They have some good players for sure, but ffs stop with the Ole agenda pretending every squad is better than ours. The fact is that we have a hopeless manager.
I know United fans are raving about him these days but I just don't see that at all. I think he's way too erratic with his touch and passing to be considered "by far one of the best midfielders in the league". Don't get me wrong, he's certainly came on leaps and bounds since he first arrived but yeah, one of the best mids in the league? Not for me.Fred is arguably the first name on any combined eleven. By far one of the best midfielders in the league and Man Utd's player of the season
If you think Fred has justified his fee then standards at Man United are now even lower than I thought!
Both players have underperformed for their price tags. Keita has had spells where he has looked good but seems to get injured too much and is now 5th/6th choice for Liverpool.
What exactly has Fred done to justify his fee?
I wasn't the one that compared Fred to Keita! I simply said that he'd be 6th choice at Liverpool or City and I stand by it.McTominay, Andreas Pereira has more goals and assists than Fabinho and Wijnaldum. They must be better than Liverpool players too.
You were the one who used goal stats to prove who is better.I wasn't the one that compared Fred to Keita! I simply said that he'd be 6th choice at Liverpool or City and I stand by it.
Which is?Become the player he was bought to be. Or is it numbers you are after?
You haven't seen much then.Which is?
No its not numbers I am after, but from what I've seen he looks like a Joe Allen, Tom Cleverly type of player. If this is as good as he gets then I wouldn't say he was good enough for Man United long term, unless you are happy with your current position?
I'd be intrigued to see a midfield three of Fred, Mctominay and Bruno Fernandes though, maybe thats the right balance for United?
Ok fair enough. What I should have said is that I don't think Fred has enough to his game to play in a top midfield from what I've seen so far. I don't see what his major strengths are and what he actually contributes that would make him any higher than 6th choice at Liverpool or City. I was mainly astounded that he's being described as one of the best midfielders in the league.You were the one who used goal stats to prove who is better.
You compared him to Cleverley type player which makes it obvious that either you haven't watched him play or just a WUM.Ok fair enough. What I should have said is that I don't think Fred has enough to his game to play in a top midfield from what I've seen so far. I don't see what his major strengths are and what he actually contributes that would make him any higher than 6th choice at Liverpool or City. I was mainly astounded that he's being described as one of the best midfielders in the league.
I think he's improved a lot since his first season, and the stats back this up as well, but I don't see whats so special about him. Certainly not to warrant being one of the best in the league! Enlighten me?You haven't seen much then.
I didn't say he is one of the best in the league, when you didn't watch the player why bother to make shit up and dig deeper with every post?I think he's improved a lot since his first season, and the stats back this up as well, but I don't see whats so special about him. Certainly not to warrant being one of the best in the league! Enlighten me?
As it stands, I doubt that midfield will be good enough at all.Which is?
No its not numbers I am after, but from what I've seen he looks like a Joe Allen, Tom Cleverly type of player. If this is as good as he gets then I wouldn't say he was good enough for Man United long term, unless you are happy with your current position?
I'd be intrigued to see a midfield three of Fred, Mctominay and Bruno Fernandes though, maybe thats the right balance for United?