Is a cup in England worth less than one in France or Spain?
You did list his league cup type trophies by the way.
As well as listing his one Ligue 1 poty, which isn’t very impressive given the quality of the league.
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You did list his league cup type trophies by the way.
As well as listing his one Ligue 1 poty, which isn’t very impressive given the quality of the league.
As shown by tons of other potential Brazil's all-time top scorers?
I listed the French cup. Not the French league cup. Same for Spain.
We have the FA cup here, as well as the league cup. So do those countries.
Go Wikipedia him, and you’ll see I didn’t.
Neymar is a legend, just for another generation. He has 133 million followers in Instagram alone. It's really funny how people's dislike of him, which I can understand, translates into the constant underrating of his ability or achievements.
I’m aware, but the guy you quoted mentions Becks’ FA cups, not league cups, at which point you said league cup type trophies are minor.
Do you understand the confusion?
Not to mention that any cup win in France is worth nothing compared to the trophies Beckham won at United, it’s literally a one team league.
Yeah , but Beckham created the whole image of a footballer being so marketable, and for that alone he needs be respected as legend, he started this “new age “ of image, in my opinion.
He's probably been the best player in the world in 2020, though it won't matter for most until he does it as well in the CL, but those injuries keep pestering him.
Should have worded it better but I consider charity shield and league cups type trophies, minor trophies.
I disagree. Many would argue a significant amount of Beckham trophies came when the premier league was a 2 horse race.
Either way, I’m not about to do this.
Neymar is a legend.
Neymar’s catalog > Beckham’s.
Instagram followers: the true measure of a footballing legend.
That’s fair, but if the FA cup is minor then so is the Copa and French version.
A significant amount of Beckhams trophies in England were when it was a two horse race, which is a lot different to PSG’s situation in their league.
French titles simply don’t matter to most people outside of France, for good reason.
If Neymar had stayed at Barca you’d probably have a case for him being a bigger legend than Beckham, but not when he left for the easy life in Paris, wasting his prime years.
He might be a better footballer, but his impact on football isn’t bigger than Beckhams at all.
Neymar has won a UCL as top scorer. That's already more than Beckham has done
I don't think that anyone is doubting Beckham's status as a footballing legend.
Well, since the actual achievements and ability were already ruled out as a matter of measure in this thread... And the whole angle of modern footballer's image being defined by something outside of football probably shouldn't be brought up in a thread where his direct competitor is David Beckham?
Beckham and Neymar are not comparable as footballers, would be like comparing Ronaldinho and Lampard.
For a substantial part of my life Lampard > Iniesta so I'm not sure how to interpret your analogy
You've just been shown quite the opposite.What’s that got to do with Neymar being a legend?
Neymar has a world club cup, and bunch of community shield and league cup type titles i didn’t care to list by the way. Didnt even mention most of his accolades whilst in Brazil, Olympic medals, and world young player of the year stuff.
He’s a better player than Beckham ever was and he’s already had a better career.
But again, despite Neymar’s CV dwarfing Beckham’s, I don’t even understand why you listed Beckham’s stuff
Well yes there has been other top scorers like Fred etc.
You clearly don't understand the cup system in England. The FA cup is the second biggest domestic trophy. The league cup is different. And the community shield is basically a league super cup. Anyway, Beckham has won more than Neymar and has more personal honours so not sure of your point.
My point is Beckham is a legend and icon whilst Neymar still has work to do to reach that level. R9 and Ronaldinho are legends, he isn't (yet).
I don’t find the FA cup minor. I find the league cup minor. When I said league cup type trophies I was referring to the charity shields that poster had listed. I group league cup and charity shields together as minor trophies hence “league cup type” trophies, but that was my damage as I admittedly I should have worded it better.
it’s people’s prerogative to dismiss French titles. I don’t subscribe to that stance at all, and find it quite ignorant. Yes, PSG dominates the French league. So did United during Beckham’s time, as did Barcelona. The “easy life” designation seems arbitrary, actually, it’s not arbitrary at all, more like, bias accommodating.
My argument was that Neymar is a legend. People randomly threw Beckham’s achievements at me. Neymar’s CV is considerably more comprehensive, and he isn’t even in his 30s. And yes, he’s by far a better player than Beckham.
I haven't. This was your post about Beckham's trophies:
This is Neymar:
Campeonato Paulista - 3x
La Liga - 2x
Ligue 1 - 2x
Copa Libertadores - 1x
UCL - 1x
Copa do Brasil - 1x
Copa Del Rey - 3x
Coupe de France - 1x
Supercopa de Espana - 1x
Coupe de la Ligue - 1x
Trophee des Champions - 1x
Recopa Sudamericana - 1x
Fifa Club World Cup - 1x
Confederations cup - 1x
Summer Olympics - 1x
He hasn't. It's merely fan-fiction you're writing.
Individually this is Neymar (doesn't include all personal records and accolades):
- Campeonato Brasileiro Série A Team of the Year: 2010, 2011, 2012[310][311][312]
- Chuteira de Ouro: 2010, 2011, 2012
- Bola de Prata: 2010, 2011
- Bola de Ouro: 2011
- Campeonato Brasileiro Série A Best Player: 2011[311]
- World Soccer Young Player of the Year: 2011
- Copa Libertadores Most Valuable Player: 2011
- FIFA Club World Cup Bronze Ball: 2011
- South American Footballer of the Year: 2011, 2012
- FIFA Puskás Award: 2011
- Bola de Ouro Hors Concours: 2012
- FIFA Confederations Cup Golden Ball: 2013
- FIFA Confederations Cup Bronze Shoe: 2013
- FIFA Confederations Cup Dream Team: 2013
- FIFA World Cup Bronze Boot: 2014
- FIFA World Cup Dream Team: 2014
- Samba Gold: 2014, 2015, 2017[313]
- UEFA Champions League Squad of the Season: 2014–15[314]
- La Liga Best World Player: 2014–15[315]
- La Liga Player of the Month: November 2015[316]
- UNFP Ligue 1 Player of the Year: 2017–18[317]
- UNFP Ligue 1 Team of the Year: 2017–18,[318] 2018–19[319]
- UNFP Ligue 1 Player of the Month: December 2017[320]
- UEFA Team of the Year: 2015[321]
- FIFA FIFPro World11: 2015, 2017[322]
- FIFA FIFPro World11 2nd team: 2013, 2014, 2016, 2018[323][324][325][326]
- FIFA FIFPro World11 nominee: 2019 (6th forward)[327]
- IFFHS World's Best Playmaker Bronze award: 2017[328]
- IFFHS Men's World Team: 2017[329]
Besides it being false, with Neymar having achieved more than Beckham, it's a point I wasn't arguing. So again, I'm yet to understand why you threw Beckham's accolades at me? Do you go to cancer fund raisers and randomly shout "what about HIV"?
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Fred has 18 goals for Brazil. Neymar is on 61, 1 less than Luís Ronaldo. The only one ahead of them is Pelé, behind him are Romário, Zico, Rivaldo, Jairzinho and other legends. Can you show me any other mug that did what Neymar did, since it's that easy?
Not exactly amazing is it considering most of the stuff he won was for arguably the greatest club side in recent history and its what 4-5 trophies?
Should never have gone to France his last 2-3 years have been a complete waste of time.
Good player but not a legend by a long shot at the moment.
I don't get what the argument here is. Players win stuff when they play for good/dominant teams. Barcelona had arguably the greatest club side in recent history and Neymar was part of that, not in spite of him. He had won stuff before and afterwards.
I disagree. Neymar is a legend.
Again I wonder if people in the 90s felt Cantona was wasting away in an interior league.
You mean a forward scored more goals than a midfielder? Well I'm shocked.
Beckham has also come closer to a Balon Do'r so Beckham obviously wins right?
Both are legends btw, Neymar more of a Brazilian Legend while Beckham is a sporting legend.
His stuff for Brazil is good but even then they haven't actually won anything of note with Neymar. Not done anywhere near enough at club level to be classed a legend of the game, there's loads of mid-tier players who have much better honer lists and accolades than Neymar.
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Iniesta never reached the heights of Ronaldinho individually.
14/15 CL
R 16 - Neymar 0 / Suarez 2 / Messi 0
1/4 Final - Neymar 3 / Suarez 2 / Messi 0
1/2 Final - Neymar 3 / Suarez 0 / Messi 2
Final - Neymar 1 / Suarez 1 / Messi 0
So in the run in, Neymar scored 7 to Messi's 2.
In 15/16 Messi was out for around 3 months, Neymar carried that team and they didn't miss a beat.
A lot of you guys just hate Neymar with no real reason behind it. He is one of the best players still playing right now.
Neymar isn’t going to be remembered especially. That’s what happens when you waste your prime years in the French league instead of testing yourself against the best. Talented, but a coward who ran from the challenge of mixing it with the best.
Take away the media persona and Beckham was a very good player, and that’s about it.
Take away the media persona and Beckham was a very good player, and that’s about it.
It's so easy to tell who actually watches Neymar and who doesn't know about him 
Let's be honest; Neymar's been the 2nd best player in the world since 2016, behind Messi. All Ronaldo media hype and fake hype aside, Neymar has been comfortably better thah him for years. Easily dwarfs Beckhams achievements in football no matter which way you want to spin it.
Let's be honest; Neymar's been the 2nd best player in the world since 2016, behind Messi. All Ronaldo media hype and fake hype aside, Neymar has been comfortably better thah him for years. Easily dwarfs Beckhams achievements in football no matter which way you want to spin it.
That's actually more than a bit, well, wank, for a player of his talent.
• Only 4 European league titles? Becks has 8.
• Only 1 CL? same as Becks.
• Highest Ballon d'Or placing, just 3rd? Becks came 2nd.
Underachiever our Neymar.
I'm sorry, but Neymar is a better footballer than Beckham could ever dream of. The fact that Beck's got a really marketable face doesn't change that. If Beckham is a legend, Neymar is definitely among them, too. Also, what has Beckham done that Neymar hasn't? Both have won one CL and have a similar national trophy count. Neymar is far better in terms of individual accomplishments, though. He scored twice as many goals as Beckham although he played 300 games less and even in Beckham's prime discipline - assists - Neymar blows him out of the water. Not to mention that Neymar's international career completely outshines Beckham's. Honestly, no offense towards Beckham but Neymar is in a completely different bracket as a player. Yes, he's kind of wasting his talent a bit at PSG but he's still one of the best footballers of his generation and if he had utilized his potential, he'd be in the GOAT discussion, that's how talented he is.
Always amazing how sympathy can cloud a person's judgement.
Neymar will be a legend, or is, but he'll never be seen in the same light as Beckham. And that's because nobody likes him. Partly due to his on field antics, and also due to him getting it on with his mom and sister. Proper weirdo.
Wait, what? A forward has scored and assisted many more in his career than a midfielder.
No fecking way, I'm not buying it.
Total, utter bollocks.
Nowhere near Messi, Ronaldo, Maradona or even Zidane for that matter.
If aliens invaded the earth tomorrow and enslaved us all and our only hope of survival was for someone to kick a small nuclear device at their mothership through a hole the size of a womprat... I wouldn't pick Neymar over Becks.
Zico has 68, it would seem.
Anyway, the percentage of Neymar's international goals that stem from friendlies is quite unusual - and doesn't do him any favours when comparing him to those other legends you mention.
Romario's friendly percentage is south of thirty - Neymar's is close to seventy. The latter has over 100 caps for Brazil at that - whereas Romario stands with 70 (55 goals).
I think the issue here is people like yourself can't separate who the better player is to the legend part. They aren't exclusively related.
Neymar is the more talented footballer. He’s also a bit of a twat.
Beckham is the epitome of hard work, plus he’s a likeable and well-respected guy.
Is there really any more to it than that?
Beckham is the epitome of hard work, plus he’s a likeable and well-respected guy.
Is there really any more to it than that?
So Beckham - playing on the right wing - is a midfielder and Neymar - playing on the left wing - is a forward? How can that be the case? Have I missed that the goal on football pitches is placed more towards the lefthand side of the pitch all those years? Damn.
You know, being good at football usually is what makes you a football legend. Of course, a lesser player can have a greater legacy than a better one if he's achieved more with his teams but since Neymar's trophy haul is already as impressive as Beckham's although he spent most of his career in France and Brazil that's hardly an argument in this particular case.
So yeah, Neymar's legacy > Beckham's. At least in every country not named England.
Neymar is undoubtedly the better footballer between the two. He's more influential and generally reached a higher level. He's capable of destroying teams almost single handedly due to his vastly superior ability on the ball.
Beckham was the more iconic footballer due to being extremely photogenic, and where he has the upper hand over Neymar is in terms of mentality, team ethic etc. He's more likely to be a strong cog in an exceptional team IMO (doesn't mean Neymar can't given he was under Enrique) due to his work rate and focus.
I think Neymar is definitely the better player. However, how is Neymar's trophy haul more impressive? He's only won something like two league titles in a top league hasn't he?
This is probably for the "weird feelings in football" thread rather than here, but I always had the feeling Beckham worked harder to improve and challenge himself as a footballer and an individual whereas Neymar seems to have taken to resting on his laurels.
Also, unrelated, Neymar has easily the most punchable face in football. I mean, Suarez and Wilshere don't get a look in...
Also, unrelated, Neymar has easily the most punchable face in football. I mean, Suarez and Wilshere don't get a look in...