Classical Mechanic
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Get a couple of ringers in to accept some non-answers to some incoherent question on a platform that non of the target audience use? You’ve got to start somewhere I guess.
Get a couple of ringers in to accept some non-answers to some incoherent question on a platform that non of the target audience use? You’ve got to start somewhere I guess.
Those are tough questions?
I'd rather she was asked about real issues and things like who she plans on having in her cabinet and how she plans to convince people that all the things she says are well thought out and will be do able. The end bit about facing Johnson was so cringeworthy I had to turn it off too. Also I like how the fella said they completely misread the electorate, and she proceeds to bang on about going out and talking to "our voters". I guess she meant talk to the people they've lost and those they want to gain, rather than exactly what the fella already said, but it was mildly amusing.
How does immigration stop the woman getting an appointment for her GP ?
Welcome to Labour policy post Tony Blair.How does immigration stop the woman getting an appointment for her GP ?
It seemed slightly racist to me and Rebecca just ignored it completely
Video looked fake to meWelcome to Labour policy post Tony Blair.
Personally I thought the video was a load of old shite(And in general RLB campaign has been rubbish).
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‘we’re very concerned about Momentum having too much power (who are they again)’
’Yes Momentum exist but so do Progress so it’s OK’
’I’m a gobshite’
’me too’
‘Shhh, you’ll give it away’
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fair play.And you complain about us wasting your time!
He is. I watched him on the Sunday morning programmes and he said bugger all on both of them, except 'I want to bring the party together', which may get him votes in the contest, but it's not what I wanted to hear. Come on Lisa!fair play.
I'm a socialist so I think it's only fair to suffer collectively. I mean christ Keir is boring(And I sort like the guy).
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I think RLB and Nandy are more impressive having watched a few debates. Not that keen on Starmer.Momentum the hard left trot.............oh
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I'm guessing Starmer is miles a head.
Unless he has levels he’s yet to show, I think Starmer might be a mistake for Labour. I always preferred Nandy but thought he was ok, but now I’m not so sure.I think RLB and Nandy are more impressive having watched a few debates. Not that keen on Starmer.
Imagine setting up a set piece like that, where you've clearly scripted the questions, and edited the answers, and yet still failing to say anything of any interest. Yup, that's exactly what I want to see.
I think he's basically 2020's Dan Jarvis. Completely devoid of interest, but middle aged, middle class, white and male, so seems like a safe pair of hands.Unless he has levels he’s yet to show, I think Starmer might be a mistake for Labour. I always preferred Nandy but thought he was ok, but now I’m not so sure.
He fixes the worst problems of Corbyn but that’s about it. He’s good at details but appears to have no vision for the country, or even the party. He doesn’t even have a decent diagnosis of what the problems are in either case. He looks like he should be good, but in truth he’s said nothing of any substance that I’ve come across. If that apparent lack of insight is genuine, rather than just him being over cautious in the campaign, he could turn out to be a dead end for Labour.
From what I've from Starmer I tend to agree with @711he is awfully dull. The Starmer vote is basically boils down to Oh God we've fecked really badly, lets call for a lawyer.I think RLB and Nandy are more impressive having watched a few debates. Not that keen on Starmer.
Apparently he votes with the right quite a lot in his local labour party and didn't vote against that welfare bill in 2015(Plus backed Owen Smith in 2016). He's at best on the centre ''left''.Seeing lots of tweets calling Starmer a centrist. What planet are these guys on?
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Not absolutely of course, but its an uphill struggle. In a country that is largely socially conservative, its going to be hard for Labour to win if their primary method is engaging in a culture war, with Labour on the side of liberal causes and the Tories on the side of socially conservative causes. In the UK, 'family values' will beat equality issues any day of the week. That's always been the case, but that's especially true now as social conservatism seems to be on the up in most Western democracies.Blair dishing out his wisdom again calling on everyone to reject culture wars or lose. I still find that an odd position to take considering that's exactly what is driving western election victories these days. Are we saying the right can win through these methods but the left absolutely can not?
I think that is true. The numbers are simply not with the left.I told you all he was dull as feck when everyone was clamouring to announce him as the saviour. Still dull isn't the worst thing and he's still getting my vote, voters won't trust Nandy or RLB.
Blair dishing out his wisdom again calling on everyone to reject culture wars or lose. I still find that an odd position to take considering that's exactly what is driving western election victories these days. Are we saying the right can win through these methods but the left absolutely can not?
I can't see any of them lasting until the next election anyway. Plus the mass activist base will slowly fall away if RLB doesn't win(Both Starmer & Nandy will push policy to the right).Nandy has to be the one with the best chance of building the red wall again, the others haven't got a prayer. Starmer will hold the vote in the big cities, but won't get anywhere in the North...even if Boris 'fecks up' bigtime.
RLB been too close to Jeremy, she has ridden to prominence on his coat-tails but now he's back to his anorak. If after 2024 election the 'Brexit project fear' has become a reality she might have a chance in 2029.
Might not be a bad thing? There seems to been some sort of law of inverse proportionality in action at this last election, the larger the membership, the less votes/seats gained in the GE?Plus the mass activist base will slowly fall away
I (eyebrows clenched) agree (veins pulsing) with (fists curled) Tony (eyes go red) Blair (heart explodes).Blair dishing out his wisdom again calling on everyone to reject culture wars or lose.
Yeah perhaps you're right it just paints a grim outlook of the electorate (at least from my perspective) and clashes with the idea that the voters are there for a competent centre left party.Not absolutely of course, but its an uphill struggle. In a country that is largely socially conservative, its going to be hard for Labour to win if their primary method is engaging in a culture war, with Labour on the side of liberal causes and the Tories on the side of socially conservative causes. In the UK, 'family values' will beat equality issues any day of the week. That's always been the case, but that's especially true now as social conservatism seems to be on the up in most Western democracies.
I think what he’s saying is you can advocate for these things but just don’t make them defining issues in the public eye, ie prioritise the issues the broad electorate most cares about. Then when you get into power, you can still make the changes you advocated for.Yeah perhaps you're right it just paints a grim outlook of the electorate (at least from my perspective) and clashes with the idea that the voters are there for a competent centre left party.
It's probably more accurate to say votes are there for a dishonest centre left party but that's what put people off of Blair in the end.
I really don't like the idea that the Tories can not only get away with Trump like politics but ride it to victory whilst Labour has to hide it's progressive views to even be relevant. The right are engaged in a culture war so to say the left should avoid this really means not only letting the right run rampant but to also pretend we're fine with it.
You have to be careful you don’t let the issues that concern only a few people define you in the public eye. Which I think Labour finds hard. Not to say you can’t address them when in power, it’s just what drives the passion of activists and the public might be different - and it’s the public who needs to come first - if you want to win that is.Not absolutely of course, but its an uphill struggle. In a country that is largely socially conservative, its going to be hard for Labour to win if their primary method is engaging in a culture war, with Labour on the side of liberal causes and the Tories on the side of socially conservative causes. In the UK, 'family values' will beat equality issues any day of the week. That's always been the case, but that's especially true now as social conservatism seems to be on the up in most Western democracies.
Politicians should be boring. My main requirement for a job running the economy isn’t ‘does he look like he’d be a good laugh down the pub?’. I think as a country we desperately need to move away from this idea that politicians need to be interesting and entertaining, all it does is get us clowns like Boris, and make wannabe politicians spend all their time on media training instead of actually learning important shit.fair play.
I'm a socialist so I think it's only fair to suffer collectively. I mean christ Keir is boring(And I sort like the guy).
Well said.Politicians should be boring. My main requirement for a job running the economy isn’t ‘does he look like he’d be a good laugh down the pub?’. I think as a country we desperately need to move away from this idea that politicians need to be interesting and entertaining, all it does is get us clowns like Boris, and make wannabe politicians spend all their time on media training instead of actually learning important shit.
Let’s elect a bunch of boring number crunching wonks and ignore them for 5 years while they get the country running smoothly again, and leave the entertainment to the comedians.
The boring ones don’t inspire people though. I’d rather have a bunch of accountants and academics running the country, but the electorate doesn’t want thatPoliticians should be boring. My main requirement for a job running the economy isn’t ‘does he look like he’d be a good laugh down the pub?’. I think as a country we desperately need to move away from this idea that politicians need to be interesting and entertaining, all it does is get us clowns like Boris, and make wannabe politicians spend all their time on media training instead of actually learning important shit.
Let’s elect a bunch of boring number crunching wonks and ignore them for 5 years while they get the country running smoothly again, and leave the entertainment to the comedians.
But most people are fine with it, and of course they are all out of step!The right are engaged in a culture war so to say the left should avoid this really means not only letting the right run rampant but to also pretend we're fine with it.
I really don't think that's true, most are not fine with the Daily Mail or Bannon style culture war politics. You can draw many things from the election victory but not that.But most people are fine with it, and of course they are all out of step!
I'm sorry but that is exactly what you can draw from the election victory.I really don't think that's true, most are not fine with the Daily Mail or Bannon style culture war politics. You can draw many things from the election victory but not that.
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‘we’re very concerned about Momentum having too much power (who are they again)’
’Yes Momentum exist but so do Progress so it’s OK’
’I’m a gobshite’
’me too’
‘Shhh, you’ll give it away’
Politicians should be boring. My main requirement for a job running the economy isn’t ‘does he look like he’d be a good laugh down the pub?’. I think as a country we desperately need to move away from this idea that politicians need to be interesting and entertaining, all it does is get us clowns like Boris, and make wannabe politicians spend all their time on media training instead of actually learning important shit.
Let’s elect a bunch of boring number crunching wonks and ignore them for 5 years while they get the country running smoothly again, and leave the entertainment to the comedians.