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[sun_tzu]

Any announcement on spouces visas?
Presumably if somebody from the UK wishes to marry somebody from the EU they again need to match all these criteria to come to the UK and live / work with their partner?

 

[Paul the Wolf]

I’m a remainer. But requiring those who seek to work in the UK to be able to speak basic English is not a horrible idea. The passing grade for that test is so low. It’s easier than the driving theory test, as an example.

It’s also a net good for society. Joining a country is great. I’ve done it three times. If you can’t speak the language you go to an area where others don’t. That area grows because people are lazy. Having a basic grasp of the native language is essential. Not just desirable. It frees you to live anywhere in that country.

I agree that people should try to integrate as much as possible and try to speak the language but people's language skills would improve having lived in the country.
Would a British builder be able take a job in Dubai for example but would only be accepted if they can speak arabic?

I know plenty of British people living and working in France who can barely string a sentence together in French.

 

[Full bodied red]

Just for clarification and then comparison....

What are the immigration criteria / processes which the EU applies to non-EU citizens who wish to move into and then live and work inside the EU ??

Always seems to be lots of Turks in Germany ; Sth Americans in Spain ; Angolans in Portugal ; Nth Africans here in France, etc....

Or is this criteria set on an individual country-by-country basis ?

Not being provocative - I really have no idea....

 

[Kentonio]

Migrants must speak English? Well if that gets reciprocated by the EU countries then I’m fecked.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Migrants must speak English? Well if that gets reciprocated by the EU countries then I’m fecked.

Imagine the British negotiating team turning up in Brussels and the EU refusing to discuss in English and not providing interpreters.

 

[horsechoker]

Migrants must speak English? Well if that gets reciprocated by the EU countries then I’m fecked.

It would be hard to reciprocate because English is virtually the lingua franca in the EU. I imagine people will find ways around the language requirements if they're not too strict about checking.

 

[Kentonio]

It would be hard to reciprocate because English is virtually the lingua franca in the EU. I imagine people will find ways around the language requirements if they're not too strict about checking.

In France it’s already a requirement for permanent residence or citizenship so I imagine they could extend that to all working visas fairly easily if they chose.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

It would be hard to reciprocate because English is virtually the lingua franca in the EU. I imagine people will find ways around the language requirements if they're not too strict about checking.

Each individual country have their own rules(despite Brexit lies and bollox) . In France for example you need a basic understanding of French to become a French citizen but not to live or work here.

Also which is even more ridiculous, why would a company employ someone if they needed to speak the local language and couldn't. Brexiters didn't think it through.

 

[Buster15]

Imagine the British negotiating team turning up in Brussels and the EU refusing to discuss in English and not providing interpreters.

So which language would they use?

 

[Pexbo]

So which language would they use?

European

 

[Buster15]

European

English then...

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Migrants must speak English? Well if that gets reciprocated by the EU countries then I’m fecked.

Can't you just learn the language then? It isn't hard and you should if you live there. It will expand your horizons.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

So which language would they use?

Belgian - or French or Flemish. Do they have a visa to work in the EU? Do they qualify to work in the EU if they don't speak the local language. Ridiculous isn't it.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Belgian - or French or Flemish. Do they have a visa to work in the EU? Do they qualify to work in the EU if they don't speak the local language. Ridiculous isn't it.

Thought French was the second language. They could always get Boris to translate.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Thought French was the second language. They could always get Boris to translate.

Would you trust Boris to translate correctly?

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

I agree that people should try to integrate as much as possible and try to speak the language but people's language skills would improve having lived in the country.
Would a British builder be able take a job in Dubai for example but would only be accepted if they can speak arabic?

I know plenty of British people living and working in France who can barely string a sentence together in French.

The English Language test is pretty easy. If Dubai wanted to instigate that policy, sure. Thing is that they need labour more than they need Arabic speaking labour.

It’s not really that contentious.

 

[2cents]

Just for clarification and then comparison....

What are the immigration criteria / processes which the EU applies to non-EU citizens who wish to move into and then live and work inside the EU ??

Always seems to be lots of Turks in Germany ; Sth Americans in Spain ; Angolans in Portugal ; Nth Africans here in France, etc....

Or is this criteria set on an individual country-by-country basis ?

Not being provocative - I really have no idea....

I believe individual EU countries are free to determine their own policy with regard to non-EU migrants, evidenced by the clear link to the colonial past we can see in your examples (I’d add South Asians in the UK). One partial exception would be for Turks, who have their own special arrangement under the terms of the 1963 Ankara agreement, but who tend to gravitate to Germany and Austria for historical reasons.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Would you trust Boris to translate correctly?

He‘d probably fall asleep.

 

[Buster15]

Belgian - or French or Flemish. Do they have a visa to work in the EU? Do they qualify to work in the EU if they don't speak the local language. Ridiculous isn't it.

The whole thing is already rediculous and it will become increasingly so.
Much is simply posturing but I do think that the government's large majority is embolding them to be even more Brexit single minded.

And if it all goes badly, they will fall back on the 'this is what the country voted for' mantra.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

The English Language test is pretty easy. If Dubai wanted to instigate that policy, sure. Thing is that they need labour more than they need Arabic speaking labour.

It’s not really that contentious.

I don't think you need to be that fluent in English to be a builder, machine operator or a fruit-picker in the UK either. That's my point. It's just to satisfy the xenophobes and people who don't like hearing foreign voices.

I found it highly amusing when I lived in the UK to speak in french walking round the supermarket with my wife and hear some prat say something about foreigners and having the shock of their life when I shouted at them in a cockney accent. Evil swine that I am.

 

[Grinner]

I don't think you need to be that fluent in English to be a builder, machine operator or a fruit-picker in the UK either. That's my point. It's just to satisfy the xenophobes and people who don't like hearing foreign voices.

I found it highly amusing when I lived in the UK to speak in french walking round the supermarket with my wife and hear some prat say something about foreigners and having the shock of their life when I shouted at them in a cockney accent. Evil swine that I am.

oohhh...I'm definitely doing that once I'm fluent in Italian.

 

[Kentonio]

Can't you just learn the language then? It isn't hard and you should if you live there. It will expand your horizons.

It isn’t hard? Gosh I wish I’d known that before I spent the last five years and numerous language classes trying..

 

[Rams]

Not really, because as labour shortages in McDonalds and fruit picking, etc. become a reality, a few things might happen;

* Defined now as areas of labour shortage these job/vacancies get a boost from the points system under identified labour shortages section;
*NVQ's in Burger tossing and picking fruit become available at Level 2, also boost points for job holders under requisite Qualifications section
*McDonalds and Fruit growers will up grade their automation production methods, requiring less staff and the savings used to raise the salary levels of those remaining to meet or even rise above the salary caps section.

Win-win situation; labour shortages targeted, improved skill levels in the respective industries raised, productivity (via automation) improved, better paid if less jobs required, immigration figures reduced!

I can see you live in cloud cuckoo land.
There’s a reason many fruit are picked with hand and fruit is also seasonal. It’s also a massive & important industry.
Apart from being SciFi. a fully automated McDonalds franchise would be ridiculously expensive.
And if we’re going to allow unskilled labour through the back door anyway by manipulating the points system, then why have points system in the first place?
If we stop unskilled labour from coming to the UK then there will be higher prices & shortages. Enjoy!!

 

[Full bodied red]

I believe individual EU countries are free to determine their own policy with regard to non-EU migrants, evidenced by the clear link to the colonial past we can see in your examples (I’d add South Asians in the UK). One partial exception would be for Turks, who have their own special arrangement under the terms of the 1963 Ankara agreement, but who tend to gravitate to Germany and Austria for historical reasons.

You're possibly correct, but if so then why -

https://www.forbes.com/sites/freyli...etting-a-shiny-new-border-force/#1db87f697442

I shouldn't imagine its purpose is to keep EU citizens inside the EU in much the same way that the Communist countries of Central and Eastern Europe did for decades.

 

[Maticmaker]

I can see you live in cloud cuckoo land.

And you have joined me!

 

[4bars]

So if you don't speak english you can't work in UK? or it depends on your wallet? would love to see apply that to foreign footballers...sure will happen

 

[Abizzz]

You're possibly correct, but if so then why -

https://www.forbes.com/sites/freyli...etting-a-shiny-new-border-force/#1db87f697442

I shouldn't imagine its purpose is to keep EU citizens inside the EU in much the same way that the Communist countries of Central and Eastern Europe did for decades.

Basically because the US & UK keep bombing places and the people who lived there make their way to Europe. (Alright, not exclusively US and UK, but a large proportion).

 

[esmufc07]

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Seeing too many stories like this. Very sad to see that they feel the U.K. is no longer their home because of the racists and xenophobes who voted for Brexit.

 

[Full bodied red]

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Seeing too many stories like this. Very sad to see that they feel the U.K. is no longer their home because of the racists and xenophobes who voted for Brexit.

She could always go and try to live in the EU who aren't racists and xenophobes, apparently....

Oh...Hang on....

 

[horsechoker]

She could always go and try to live in the EU who aren't racists and xenophobes, apparently....

Oh...Hang on....

So that invalidates her feelings?

 

[Full bodied red]

And people who voted for Brexit are racists and xenophobes ?

I'm replying to the post - nothing about her feelings.

 

[Pexbo]

She could always go and try to live in the EU who aren't racists and xenophobes, apparently....

Oh...Hang on....

How fecking callous. Exactly the sort of contempt that is at the heart of the issue right now. This country has never been perfect but for a long time it was a damn site better than it is now and progress was being made. We’re at risk of losing decades because of attitudes like yours.

 

[esmufc07]

And people who voted for Brexit are racists and xenophobes ?

I'm replying to the post - nothing about her feelings.

All racists and xenophobes voted for Brexit, yes.

 

[Fingeredmouse]

And people who voted for Brexit are racists and xenophobes ?

I'm replying to the post - nothing about her feelings.

What are you arguing here with this point? That there is not an increased air of xenophobia in racism in the country and, even if there were, it is disassociated from Brexit?
The climate in the UK is anti-immigrant. Those who are anti-immigrant most assuredly voted Brexit and the utterly dominant political powers of Britain are anti-immigrant. The motivations of those voting Brexit, whether high or base, are a moot point now. Our culture has been set on a path of emboldened rejection of the other.

 

[Full bodied red]

How fecking callous. Exactly the sort of contempt that is at the heart of the issue right now. This country has never been perfect but for a long time it was a damn site better than it is now and progress was being made. We’re at risk of losing decades because of attitudes like yours.

Really.....I've no idea what you're on about.

All racists and xenophobes voted for Brexit, yes.

Of course they did....

But how many of the 17.4 million who did vote to leave the EU are racist xenophobes ?

All of them ??

Because when you throw away stupid, sheeplike statements like that, then you imply that they all are.

So how many, then ??

 

[esmufc07]

Really.....I've no idea what you're on about.



Of course they did....

But how many of the 17.4 million who did vote to leave the EU are racist xenophobes ?

All of them ??

Because when you throw away stupid, sheeplike statements like that, then you imply that they all are.

So how many, then ??

What are you waffling on about?

 

[Full bodied red]

What are you waffling on about?

Simply asking you how many of the 17.4 million people you state are racist xenophobes ( your words, not mine ) are actually racist xenophobes.

And your evidence for that.

 

[Sweet Square]

How fecking callous. Exactly the sort of contempt that is at the heart of the issue right now. This country has never been perfect but for a long time it was a damn site better than it is now and progress was being made. We’re at risk of losing decades because of attitudes like yours.

Not to be that guy but it really wasn't. I honestly think people forget just how awful things were pre 2016.

 

[esmufc07]

Not to be that guy but it really wasn't. I honestly think people forget just how awful things were pre 2016.

Oh stop whining Neil!

 

[Mr Pigeon]

She could always go and try to live in the EU who aren't racists and xenophobes, apparently....

Oh...Hang on....

Yeah or she could, you know, be allowed to live in the country she calls home and, if you're younger than 37, has been here longer than you.

There's something that always annoys me about people who say "if you don't like it, leave".