2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress

[WPMUFC]

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The safe choice:

Crime Bill
Bankruptcy Bill
War Vote
Mental Decline
NAFTA
etc etc etc

The dangerous choice:

"Did you know that the government uses taxation to provide government services, in certain circles that's defined as socialism"

It's such a hard choice.

 

[Sweet Square]

i've been extremely nice to 2 warren people online and i want a treat and someone to scream at.

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To be somewhat serious about the whole - ''If you want me to care about the poor then you'd better be nice to me'' of the Warren people online, they are going through a crisis of ideology, due to the utter failure of the Warren campaign(Talking the Super PAC money was a pretty big deal) and how she ultimately has helped someone like Biden(The guy that wrote Bankruptcy Bill)

Zizek -

The Ultimate illusion: ideology is not simply imposed on ourselves. Ideology is our spontaneous relation to our social world, how we perceive each meaning and so on and so on. We, in a way, enjoy our ideology. To step out of ideology, it hurts. It’s a painful experience. You must force yourself to do it.

All of the ''Allow yourself the space to grieve, and be angry, and be numb. Take the time. Take all of it that you need'', ''Warren should be given some time before endorsing'', girl boss shite is just Warren supporters enjoying their ideology and their reluctancy to back Bernie is them not wanting to step out of their ideology because while we can debate what 21st century ''Democratic Socialism'' actually means, at the very least it's a view that the current system can only be improved when working class americans organise to fight against it and for Warren supporters that will be a painful experience to admit.

 

[Florida Man]

What’s a Monday night quarterback...?

188 days

 

[WPMUFC]

Only three years after Reagan won office.

 

[Boycott]

The safe choice:

Crime Bill
Bankruptcy Bill
War Vote
Mental Decline
NAFTA
etc etc etc

The dangerous choice:

"Did you know that the government uses taxation to provide government services, in certain circles that's defined as socialism"

It's such a hard choice.

It's not like Bernie is squeaky clean.

He voted for the crime bill.
He voted for Afghanistan invasion.
Castro/Ortega/Chavez (Florida is a swing state except with Bernie)
Rape fantasy essays
Referendum on socialism instead of referendum on Trump

 

[Sir Matt]

The safe choice:

Crime Bill
Bankruptcy Bill
War Vote
Mental Decline
NAFTA
etc etc etc

The dangerous choice:

"Did you know that the government uses taxation to provide government services, in certain circles that's defined as socialism"

It's such a hard choice.

Sanders also voted for the Crime Bill.

He voted against the law that created national background checks on handgun purchases and for two bills to make gun manufacturers immune from lawsuits when their guns are used in crimes.

 

[senorgregster]

Only three years after Reagan won office.

Wonder if the 25th was discussed?

 

[WPMUFC]

It's not like Bernie is squeaky clean.

He voted for the crime bill.
He voted for Afghanistan invasion.
Castro/Ortega/Chavez (Florida is a swing state except with Bernie)
Rape fantasy essays
Referendum on socialism instead of referendum on Trump

Yep, bernie has a huge amount of issues in a GE. But the defining aspect of this nomination process has been about Biden (or moderate X) being the safe choice over someone that wants to increase public spending and taxation because that will be used to run ad's about Socialism.

The entire narrative has been "Sanders will spend 50 trillion dollars for government programs....we need a safe choice."

I'm mocking the idea that Biden or any of the moderates are inherently the safer choice. In fact Biden is probably the "least safe" moderate they could've gone with.

 

[Organic Potatoes]

188 days

Eh... I think that pass might’ve hit you in the face mask there, chief.

 

[Tarrou]

will Biden and Sanders debate one-on-one at some point?

I don't see much hope for Sanders but you'd expect he's capable of building some momentum in a 1v 1 race vs sleepy Joe

 

[Florida Man]

Eh... I think that pass might’ve hit you in the face mask there, chief.

Nah I just wanted to post this anyway.

 

[Florida Man]

will Biden and Sanders debate one-on-one at some point?

I don't see much hope for Sanders but you'd expect he's capable of building some momentum in a 1v 1 race vs sleepy Joe

Not until the 15th, which is after another major round of primaries. Will probably be too late by then.

 

[Florida Man]

The two aren't mutually exclusive. He hasn't been a Dem throughout his entire political career and could've just as easily ran for Prez as an independent, but he instead opted to use the apparatus of the Democratic party to advance his goals. He shouldn't therefore be surprised when actual Dems (aka establishment Dems to Sanders supporters) push back on him taking over the party they have spent years investing in.

So if he ran as an Independent, Democrats wouldn’t do anything against him? You don’t seriously think that do you?

 

[WPMUFC]

Wow, 2016 Joe Biden is not only coherent and mentally aware but borderline BernieBro @2:59 if the timestamp isn't working.

 

[Ekkie Thump]

It's not like Bernie is squeaky clean.

He voted for the crime bill.
He voted for Afghanistan invasion.
Castro/Ortega/Chavez (Florida is a swing state except with Bernie)
Rape fantasy essays
Referendum on socialism instead of referendum on Trump

You have never read it I presume.

 

[Redplane]

So Dems aside for a sec - when is Trump going to announce he is ditching Pence and replace him with Haley on the ticket?

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Why is Biden so popular and getting so many nominations? He appears to be such a weak candidate and public speaker based on what I've seen. Wouldn't Trump fancy his chances against him?

 

[Eboue]

https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...pporters-ugly-personal-attacks-against-warren

It's taken him a while to say this, but it's good that he finally has. Though I think a lot of damage has already been done to the reputation of his supporters (and, by extension, him).

In this thread alone, there have been 62 uses of the word 'snake'.

Its because shes a snake

 

[Eboue]

Not to mention sell out, bitch etc. AOC has been termed as a clout chaser by Eboue because she didn't endorse Sanders early. Stupid but hey what can you do. When you want pureblood, you need pureblood

We dont owe politicians anything. They owe us. Politicians aren't your friend or your abusive ex or your absent father. They work for us.

Warren is a lying ass snake.

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

It's not like Bernie is squeaky clean.

He voted for the crime bill.

He voted for it, Biden wrote it and wanted it much stricter.

 

[Sweet Square]

Hold on do people on here really think the snake memes effected actual politics ?

 

[WPMUFC]

Hold on do people really think the snake memes effected real politics ?

no but it gives them the moral superiority high ground. Never forget that Hillary Clinton started this "Bro" thing when she called Obama supporters "Obama Boys" in 2008.

 

[dumbo]

Centrism, rational and evidence-based

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And this is the crux. You think Bernie is a twat Messiah: well fine, you think Biden has a better chance against agent orange: well fine. But it's the snide, self-interest commentary, in the face of genuine suffering that I find so fecking galling.

Even as a bitter, unreasonable idealist I can concede that the numbers don't add up for Bernie-Med or Labour or whoever, but as a try-to-be human being, I'll never understand the glee of the "moderate" opposition. (Trump, Hopkins trolling is much easier to understand).

 

[Precaution]

Stop me if you heard this one before.... so a orange doofus, a old senile man and a jew promising free healthcare walk into a political election....

Seriously, this country deserves everything it gets if the Dems go for senile Biden because one of 2 possible outcomes that are just as bad as eachother could unfold and that's Trump keeping the throne for another 4 years and thus triple down on doing whatever he wants or President Biden sleepwalks his way into a Presidency not knowing what policy he just unfurled.

 

[fishfingers15]

Hold on do people on here really think the snake memes effected actual politics ?

What is actual politics?

 

[berbatrick]

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[dumbo]

Fking Nazi bros.

 

[Giggs86]

I actually feel bad for Biden. He is what, 78? Should be golfing and enjoying his retirement, instead he is about to get bullied and humiliated by Trump. He doesn't look mentally up for it, they really should impose some age limits for presidential bids. Imagine a 78 years old dude going to an interview seeking a high position in a big company, never gonna happen. And here he is auditioning for the most important job in the world.

 

[fishfingers15]

And this is the crux. You think Bernie is a twat Messiah: well fine, you think Biden has a better chance against agent orange: well fine. But it's the snide, self-interest commentary, in the face of genuine suffering that I find so fecking galling.

Even as a bitter, unreasonable idealist I can concede that the numbers don't add up for Bernie-Med or Labour or whoever, but as a try-to-be human being, I'll never understand the glee of the "moderate" opposition. (Trump, Hopkins trolling is much easier to understand).

This is redcafe, where we skew very much to the left. Apart from a very few posters, we all wanted Bernie Sanders to succeed. Some of us, me included want Trump not to be elected even if it means Biden getting elected. I'm not advocating Biden beat Sanders and get a shot at Trump but if Biden is the Dem nominee, then he should beat Trump. I'm not down with the 'Rather Trump than Biden' crowd

 

[Suedesi]

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When hillary didn't campaign in certain states for the GE at least i could say it was out of hubris because of the opponent she had. This guy, i'd actually want kept off the campaign trail. YIKES!!

As per the NYT:

“Any suggestion that Mr. Biden is now a risk-free option would appear to contradict the available evidence. He is no safer with a microphone, no likelier to complete a thought without exaggeration or bewildering detour.”

“He has not, as a 77-year-old man proudly set in his ways, acquired new powers of persuasion or management in the 72 hours since the first primary state victory of his three presidential campaigns.

“Mr. Biden has blundered this chance before — the establishment front-runner; the last, best hope for moderates — fumbling his initial 2020 advantages in a hail of disappointing fund-raising, feeble campaign organization and staggering underperformance.”

 

[berbatrick]

And this is the crux. You think Bernie is a twat Messiah: well fine, you think Biden has a better chance against agent orange: well fine. But it's the snide, self-interest commentary, in the face of genuine suffering that I find so fecking galling.

Even as a bitter, unreasonable idealist I can concede that the numbers don't add up for Bernie-Med or Labour or whoever, but as a try-to-be human being, I'll never understand the glee of the "moderate" opposition. (Trump, Hopkins trolling is much easier to understand).

rejoicing in failure of things you supposedly think are good!

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bidenbruhs.

 

[Florida Man]

Why is Biden so popular and getting so many nominations? He appears to be such a weak candidate and public speaker based on what I've seen. Wouldn't Trump fancy his chances against him?

You must be new to the Democratic Party.

 

[Florida Man]

I actually feel bad for Biden. He is what, 78? Should be golfing and enjoying his retirement, instead he is about to get bullied and humiliated by Trump. He doesn't look mentally up for it, they really should impose some age limits for presidential bids. Imagine a 78 years old dude going to an interview seeking a high position in a big company, never gonna happen. And here he is auditioning for the most important job in the world.

Why do you feel sorry for him? He's a filthy rich politician who is beholden to even richer donors and bends over backwards to look out for them while tag teaming with Obama to continue waging war and destabilizing the middle east allowing millions to either die or lose everything. Then consider all the terrible policies he supported domestically for decades. Nah, he deserves the humiliation on the national stage at the very least. Every establishment politician does.

 

[Florida Man]

rejoicing in failure of things you supposedly think are good!

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bidenbruhs.

*sniff sniff*

Smells like Russian bot.

 

[Fosu-Mens]

Nope. He has tweeted mostly against Biden, and almost has shown sympathy towards Bernie.

Fox has gone in full attack mode against Biden too. I think it is clear that Biden is the only candidate that Trump and GOP fear. Especially now that somehow he managed to get a very high turnout in primaries.

Biden would be somewhat the same opponent as Clinton. Slow, manuscripted, "establishment" etc. Easy to spin the same rethoric and champaign as in 2016. The main reason as for why they have started their negative "reports" against Biden is because they think/assume he will get the nomination, not because they think that he will be the biggest threat. Bernie, as the opposite of Trump, could be the best candidate to beat Trump.

 

[Ekkie Thump]

Look on as noted white moderate and Biden strategist Hilary Rosen lectures the black history major Nina Turner about what Martin Luther King really meant before informing Turner that she lacks the standing to quote him and shouting her down:

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Spoiler: Martin Luther King said...

I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that law and order exist for the purpose of establishing justice and that when they fail in this purpose they become the dangerously structured dams that block the flow of social progress. I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that the present tension in the South is a necessary phase of the transition from an obnoxious negative peace, in which the Negro passively accepted his unjust plight, to a substantive and positive peace, in which all men will respect the dignity and worth of human personality. Actually, we who engage in nonviolent direct action are not the creators of tension. We merely bring to the surface the hidden tension that is already alive. We bring it out in the open, where it can be seen and dealt with. Like a boil that can never be cured so long as it is covered up but must be opened with all its ugliness to the natural medicines of air and light, injustice must be exposed, with all the tension its exposure creates, to the light of human conscience and the air of national opinion before it can be cured.

It's the blind arrogance more than anything.

 

[Smores]

Yep.

Nope.

I just don't see it, people in general won't care about Trumps indiscretions and with the attack ads against Biden they'll think they're all just as bad and incompetent.

Most elections are based on blaming the incumbent for a negative change (economy tanking) or voting for a positive change candidate. A Biden campaign seems to be neither.

 

[Grinner]

MLK's letter needs to be read more often. It's a stunning document.

 

[Amarsdd]

Look on as noted white moderate and Biden strategist Hilary Rosen lectures the black history major Nina Turner about what Martin Luther King really meant before informing Turner that she lacks the standing to quote him and shouting her down:

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She then goes on to assume that standing for herself in order to paraphrase him on twitter:

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Spoiler: Martin Luther King said...

I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that law and order exist for the purpose of establishing justice and that when they fail in this purpose they become the dangerously structured dams that block the flow of social progress. I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that the present tension in the South is a necessary phase of the transition from an obnoxious negative peace, in which the Negro passively accepted his unjust plight, to a substantive and positive peace, in which all men will respect the dignity and worth of human personality. Actually, we who engage in nonviolent direct action are not the creators of tension. We merely bring to the surface the hidden tension that is already alive. We bring it out in the open, where it can be seen and dealt with. Like a boil that can never be cured so long as it is covered up but must be opened with all its ugliness to the natural medicines of air and light, injustice must be exposed, with all the tension its exposure creates, to the light of human conscience and the air of national opinion before it can be cured.

It's the blind arrogance more than anything.

that's really something.
That MLK letter is the biggest indictment of these moderate whites and the way they are trying to co-opt it is quite embarrassing.

 

[Dante]

Its because shes a snake

Read the article. Bernie thinks you're a cnut.