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One of the solutions Italy is considering is cutting the season short and having play-offs for CL qualification and relegation. That would be quite complex if it was adopted here as so many teams in battle for 3rd/4th.
 

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German ice hockey season has been cancelled, there will be no champion this year. It's not directly comparable to football though at they heavily depend on ticket sales (TV money is minimal) and games behind closed doors are not viable.
 

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We have data now, which shows rate of infection is slowing down in China. The R0 goes down with social distancing and quarantine, I don't know how that's up for debate quite frankly. Quarantine won't work if the majority of the population are infected but that's not the case here.

Officials from Wuhan and Hubei are obviously guilty of an initial cover up but as a country they did extremely well to recover. They did that by using very drastic measures, draconian some might say but also necessary in my opinion. Without the huge quarantine of Hubei I'm absolutely certain we'd be seeing the very worst case scenario. Just have a look at Iran and their views on quarantine and how that worked out for them and then tell me quarantine has no effect. There is clear contrast there. One country decided to take drastic measures and the other encouraged people to go out and vote in the elections.
Social distancing, quarantining and self isolation are three entirely different things, and all can be employed separately, but the effectiveness of one can be reduced by another. We were talking about immediately putting the entirety of the UK under quarantine for a fortnight, which doesn’t seem the most timely approach for this intervention. The UK currently is in no situation like Hubei nor Iran and nor are the paths those two countries took the only two paths.

And I'm not sure what you're trying to say with your last point. No one is giving up their freedom, it's not as if these measures will be enforced indefinitely. Bizarre thing to mention.
Yeah, it is not as if history is littered with indefinite measures brought in by dictatorships eroding civil liberties longer term.
 

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Imagine shutting everything down for a nasty flu with 2% mortality rate. So much hysteria you'd think this was the black death or something.
Thats a massive mortality rate combined with the rate of transmission:lol:

Ebola (90% mortality rate) killed 11,000 in 2 years during its epidemic

Covid-19 has killed 4,000 in 2 months

Deaths aside. The NHS wouldn't be able to cope with the amount of cases and would have huge financial implications in the years to come. It would likely be the final nail in its coffin.
 

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2% death rate is massive if half the population catches it.

And if it happens quickly(i.e. no precautions are taken), then the death rate will soar. Most countries only have about 3-4 hospital beds per 1000 people. People who'd normally live will die as a result then.

It's interesting that people are using mortality rate rather than survival rate. There is a huge difference..
 

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D) I am always surprised by how many who have lived and thrived in liberal countries are willing to give up their freedoms, in the guise of “protecting the nation”, as an immediate reaction to panic (terrorism, disease) or long term insecurities (the EU and Brexit, the Weimar Republic, Central European countries today). You really want to adopt China’s policies for controlling its citizens?
You would be signing a different tune if you and/or your loved ones were sick. This is not an immediate reaction the pandemic has been here for 2 months. If it wasn’t serious they wouldn’t be declaring emergencies all over the world and crashing the financial markets which hurts the elites the most. The WHO is saying that firm and aggressive action is needed. Hospitals in most countries simply cannot handle the number of infections that we saw in China. We are hearing horror stories from Italy about how they have to choose who lives and who dies because there are not enough respirators for the very sick to use.

As the WHO put it this is not a drill. You either deal with it which involves curtailing some freedoms or allow it to run wild and pray it runs its course.
 
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You would be signing a different tune if you and/or your loved ones were sick. This is not an immediate reaction the pandemic has been here for 2 months. If it wasn’t serious they wouldn’t be declaring emergencies all over the world and crashing the financial markets which hurts the elites the most. The WHO is saying that firm and aggressive action is needed. Hospitals in most countries simply cannot handle the number of infections that we saw in China. We are hearing horror stories from Italy about how they have to choose who lives and who dies because there are not enough respirators for the very sick to use.

As the WHO put it this is not a drill. You either deal with it which involves curtailing some freedoms or allow it to run wild and pray it runs its course.
Mate, my wife is close to 8 months pregnant. I’m taking every precaution for me or her to not get it before the baby arrives. Read all of my posts and you’ll see I’m taking this very seriously. At work I’m the guy who is most pushing people to take precautions and get the business prepared before it is too late.

I’m simply arguing that quarantine of an entire country is not always the most sensible initiative depending upon circumstance.
 

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Think it’s a matter of time before it is suspended or finished early tbh.

Funny because Liverpool are top, but it’s a total nightmare with winners, European spots, relegations et, throughout the leagues.

Playing behind closed doors is worse imo.
 

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Scientists are estimating that peak may not come till next winter and up to 100 million in total could be infected. fecking this is doomsday stuff.


Coronavirus: Worldwide peak will come next winter, scientific model predicts
http://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...ext-winter-scientific-model-predicts-11954441
I am not sure about that. Chinese cases have fallen rapidly, which is no doubt helped by their draconian policies, but cases are also falling in other far east countries like South Korea. Might just be a coincidence, but it could be due to the weather warming up, which many have said might happen, just like the flu. It has never really taken hold in the southern hemisphere, except by people bringing it back & cases remain low. Need to watch carefully the next few days to see if this continues. If it does there is a possibility it might go away in a few months, & perhaps returning in the colder months like flu. If so, thank god for climate change, as the damage it would have caused a few years back when the world had really cold winters could have been far more deadly.
 

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China built a new hospital in what, a week?

Meanwhile, the Midland Metropolitan Hospital has been in development since 2016, with expected completion 2022
 

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Please please please please let anfield be empty when they win it
 

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Scientists are estimating that peak may not come till next winter and up to 100 million in total could be infected. fecking this is doomsday stuff.


Coronavirus: Worldwide peak will come next winter, scientific model predicts
http://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...ext-winter-scientific-model-predicts-11954441

Probably a dumb question: if I get it now, and recover in 2 weeks (mid 20s), and the virus is still strong months later... are you still liable to pick it up again?
 

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Probably a dumb question: if I get it now, and recover in 2 weeks (mid 20s), and the virus is still strong months later... are you still liable to pick it up again?
Very unlikely if it's the same strain, should be naturally vaccinated essentially I think. Flu mutates constantly which is why can get it over and over.
 

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The only fair thing to do if it is all called off is to roll everything back so the season never happened. Can’t have play offs etc as who do you include? Would never get agreement on how things would work.
Sucks if you are Liverpool or Leeds but great news for us as we are finally looking halfway decent and have got 75% of a rebuild season for free.
We’d miss CL next year which would suck and if city’s ban was upheld then arsenal finished 5th last year so do they replace city now?
Questions questions!!
 

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Very unlikely if it's the same strain, should be naturally vaccinated essentially I think. Flu mutates constantly which is why can get it over and over.
Yeah that's what I was thinking - how will it last so long if that's the case? Is it a case of I get it, then give it to you after 2 weeks, you give it to John after 2 weeks... and so on?
 

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Many other Sports are simply and rightly just cancelling this season and the FA should do the same - with all Leagues - and simply start again when safe.

Liverpool won't win the PL, but they remain CL holders for another season at least, so absolutely no need to complain.

Utd stay in Europa
Norwich, Villa etc remain in PL
Championship teams remain in the Championship

This idea of 'carry on please, we're British', has quickly become very dated (in about a week) and I think the time for proper Leadership decisions is at hand.

Cancel it. Focus on the safety of the population.
 

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Football is a contact sport. By forcing footballers to play against each other, the FA is breaching their human rights. Nothing is more important than human life. The Premier League MUST be stopped for the sake of their health. If this season needs to be written out of the records, then so be it.

But keep the Europa League going in case we win it.
 

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Thats a massive mortality rate combined with the rate of transmission:lol:

Ebola (90% mortality rate) killed 11,000 in 2 years during its epidemic

Covid-19 has killed 4,000 in 2 months

Deaths aside. The NHS wouldn't be able to cope with the amount of cases and would have huge financial implications in the years to come. It would likely be the final nail in its coffin.
Why people keep trying to draw parallels with the common flu i do not know.
It seems a criminal lack of understanding of the obvious difference!
 

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Many other Sports are simply and rightly just cancelling this season and the FA should do the same - with all Leagues - and simply start again when safe.

Liverpool won't win the PL, but they remain CL holders for another season at least, so absolutely no need to complain.

Utd stay in Europa
Norwich, Villa etc remain in PL
Championship teams remain in the Championship

This idea of 'carry on please, we're British', has quickly become very dated (in about a week) and I think the time for proper Leadership decisions is at hand.

Cancel it. Focus on the safety of the population.
Yeah liverpool fans couldn't possibly complain about having their absolutely nailed on title, a first in 30 years chalked off when they're about 2 wins off securing it!
 

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Serie A considering a play off system for the title.

You hate to see it..
 

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Yeah liverpool fans couldn't possibly complain about having their absolutely nailed on title, a first in 30 years chalked off when they're about 2 wins off securing it!
Who cares?

Maybe they'll win it before it gets cancelled? Guess that's up to Everton to roll over for them as usual / Citeh to lose to Arse.

To be honest, I'm not interested in whether it feels bad for any team. It's about the population.

Use play-offs if it's that necessary to have a PL winner for this woeful season - it's inevitable that Klopp would beat Guardiola again anyway.
 

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Playoffs would make sense as long as there's some system that accounts for disparities in league position. Maybe 1 goal handicap for each 2 points between a team? Sounds fair.

So we kick off with Liverpool beating City 12-0?
 

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Imagine liverpool having to beat teams they're 20-30 points ahead of in a one off game.

Would be hilarious but utterly no chance.
 

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Premier league fans: “You’ll never get anything more poetically perfect than Gerrard slipping and losing the league. He literally said this does not slip, and then he slipped!”

Premier league emergency protocol team with ideas for playoffs to determine winners of PL: “ Hold my beer”
 

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They should do this. Top 4 as of right now play each other behind closed doors.

It's the only logical thing to do.
Liverpool still win the league in that scenario.

You haven't thought this through mate.

*edit*

Sorry, I read that wrong.

As you were :)
 

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This idea of 'carry on please, we're British', has quickly become very dated (in about a week) and I think the time for proper Leadership decisions is at hand.

Cancel it. Focus on the safety of the population.
Are you flapping about like this at public and at work?

It’s gonna get a lot worse before it gets better and will be a long time before things are this relatively safe again.
 

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Imagine liverpool having to beat teams they're 20-30 points ahead of in a one off game.

Would be hilarious but utterly no chance.
It's the 'last goal wins' scenario when leading 22-0. :lol: In this instance they will simply hand Liverpool the title and concentrate on the remaining CL and relegation placed games. Why waste a game on the PL title decider when it was decided in August that Liverpool would take it? It's like the PL don't read Redcafe threads. :)
 

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I'd say they should keep it going behind closed doors for a week or two until we're mathematically out of reach and hand us the trophy. After that they can do whatever they want for CL qualifications and relegations. Playoffs, toss a coin, whatever. Oh.. And wait with the closed doors until after tomorrow.
 

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I'd say they should keep it going behind closed doors for a week or two until we're mathematically out of reach and hand us the trophy. After that they can do whatever they want for CL qualifications and relegations. Playoffs, toss a coin, whatever. Oh.. And wait with the closed doors until after tomorrow.
So sort you out and feck everyone else? :lol: