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Tell you what you ignore all medical advice, common sense and experts to follow Trump on Twitter. Good luck with that
Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th
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Tell you what you ignore all medical advice, common sense and experts to follow Trump on Twitter. Good luck with that
Indeed, we'll only have won the league by 25 points when it could've been 30
For real though, I doubt any team would agree to give it to Liverpool before we are actually mathematically champions.
Not sure what medical advice or "common sense experts" (whatever that is, not sure how you get this qualification) you're listening to if you think my comment is out of line. All of the medical experts you should be following are telling people to remain calm not panic and just wash your hands.
Keep calm,
and wash your hands!
I can see the merchandise now.
and wash your hands!
I can see the merchandise now.
Quick, trademark that line! You'll make millions!
Well here in Austria we are told to reduce our social life to a minimum, universities are closed, as are libraries and even churches. Any indoor event with more than 100 participants and outdoor events with more than 500 participants are canceled. Not sure if all of this helps but looking at China it seems this is the way to go.
If wolves play the Europa league then premier league will be suspended. Take it to the bank.
did you miss the regions and cities on lockdown, events called off etc. ? people are advised not to travel, stay at home as much as possible, far more than just wash their hands..
German icehockey league has been suspended. No champion this season.
I can’t recall an entire western country on full lockdown because of flu. Unless Italy isn’t really on lockdown and it’s just fake media hype.
That's fine for the likes of Liverpool and United but as many have said, this could kill the EFL and I can't see anyone sacrificing the 3 lower leagues so you can finish the premiership. It has to be one rule for all and postponement is the only thing that works for everyone. Serie A has set the precedent.
What are you on about? Our medical professionals say that all international events should be postponed (at least) until the second half of the summer and that's exactly what happened to our biggest music festival, it got postponed. Also add the fact that a full weekend of football in England is bigger in attendance than any festival in Estonia.
Fake news!
And that's fair enough. I don't really want it either in that case. But IF we're mathematically champions before it is shut down then we've won it, fair and square.Indeed, we'll only have won the league by 25 points when it could've been 30
For real though, I doubt any team would agree to give it to Liverpool before we are actually mathematically champions.
Firstly there is an “and” in between common sense and experts therefore I didn’t say “common sense experts”
Secondly, just washing hands is not going to stop the spread.
This is the very point I'm making. Unless there is information that governments etc are being informed of that the general public are not, I think these steps are being driven by public hysteria (and governments not wanting to un-reactive to the hysteria) rather than medical experts advice.
Anyway, I'm not here to argue. I hope that the virus is not as severe as its being made out to be in the media and that vaccines etc are developed quickly. Feel free to DM me if you want to discuss it further and I can share some links to good research portals to get more info. I don't want to take the thread off course.
Best way to avoid this thing peaking in a way that could be very tricky to handle even for first rate national health services. It's not much of a sacrifice in the grand scheme of things.
Canceling sports events should be an absolute no-brainer.
Who cares about the winners, that was finished ages ago - the only reason we don't want Liverpool to receive it is through pettiness.
Promotion/relegation is the real issue. They have huge financial implications that span years which could be decided by a few points.
Promotion/relegation is the real issue. They have huge financial implications that span years which could be decided by a few points.
What else should they do. Wait until it's further spread before cancelling? The whole point here is to cancel before it gets out of hand.
Of course Liverpool could do the honourable thing and refuse the Trophy on the grounds that they didn't compete for the whole season.Indeed, we'll only have won the league by 25 points when it could've been 30
For real though, I doubt any team would agree to give it to Liverpool before we are actually mathematically champions.
They are a beacon of morality after all. Aren't they?
I doubt any team would agree to give to you unless 38 games are played because if you award champions you have to award european spots and you have to say who is relegated. While any of those are still up in the air then nothing can be given out without clubs taking the league to court. Too much money is at stake.Indeed, we'll only have won the league by 25 points when it could've been 30
For real though, I doubt any team would agree to give it to Liverpool before we are actually mathematically champions.
It is literally the opposite, those are measures to slower the spreading of the virus. A lot of ignorance in your posts.
Oh and the vaccine will not be the developed sooner than in 10-12 months.
We've been doing that for the past 30 years.
If that's the case one more season won't matter.
If the competition is declared null and void it surely wouldn't matter if Liverpool managed to secure the title mathematically before said declaration was made. The only way in which they could be awarded the title in the event of some kind of cancellation would be if the PL decided to just end the competition formally after round X - which looks very, very dubious from any number of angles (there would be absolute outrage from pretty much every team except Liverpool).
Null and void would mean just that: scrapped, forget about it, start over again next season.
Null and void would mean just that: scrapped, forget about it, start over again next season.
If the league does get cancelled.
I could see increased capacity for next seasons competitions to accommodate promotions and no relegations, and perhaps an longer qualification round for Champions League
I do think the FA will handle it well. I don't have any trust in UEFA to fairly award Champions League places. They'll probably announce that 20/21 competition will be an invitational only so that they can maximise profit from marketable teams.
I could see increased capacity for next seasons competitions to accommodate promotions and no relegations, and perhaps an longer qualification round for Champions League
I do think the FA will handle it well. I don't have any trust in UEFA to fairly award Champions League places. They'll probably announce that 20/21 competition will be an invitational only so that they can maximise profit from marketable teams.
None of us are experts but unless they are planning to shut down the London tube, London buses, Manchester metrolink, Manchester buses, every single Primark and supermarket in the country, every airport, all flights, I have no idea why anyone thinks cancelling sporting events will be a major thing thing to stop the spread.
In Italy, right now, doctors need to pick between life or death for patients because of overcapacity issues. The whole point of being cautious is to spread out the need for hospitalisation so that all the cases of flu dont hit at the same time forcing the system to break down. The idea is to spread out the corona-hospitalisations over months so the hospital system can cope. No nation have enough hospital and staff to cope with it if everyone gets the flu at the same time, and therefore more will die.
Please dont be one of those ignorant "I know better than what the doctors and experts say" persons. I have a week immune system myself and to see posts like this is both worrying and saddening to say the least. Its not a question of gut-feelings, but one of listening to the experts and authorities
Well, they probably should - ideally. Saw a US physician just now who mentioned reducing the number of passengers allowed on normal public transportation services.
However, shutting down all travel is clearly unrealistic - but there's a pretty big difference between denying people the right to travel and denying them access to pure entertainment events, no? Thousands of people gathering in tight crowds for no vital reason clearly isn't a good idea if you're trying to prevent this virus from peaking in a bad way.
No it wouldn't be for health reasons. It would be PR.
Like the banning of shaking hands before a match, when the sport is full contact and there's an orgy in the 18 yard box at every corner. It's to make it look like actions are being taken.
But if COVID-19 is still spreading in August, the very first thing people will ask, would be why Football matches wasn't cancelled during the containment phase. And it'll be a stick to beat the PM with.
I suspect the PL will put off making a final decision in the short term. They will probably start by postponing matches and reserve judgement until the season is due to finish on 17th May. It may turn out that games can be played at later dates but nothing will be decided in the short term.
Yes that what I was thinking, if we are to shut down universities, sporting events, festivals and any places where large gatherings can occur, surely we have to shut down the tube and airports as this is the main places where tourists from all over the world and inhabitants of this country congregate every morning and evening?
I can actually see the upside to that, no other team in English history could compare to that selflessness. Might be how I pivot to make the best of this whole situation.
Think about it: Ferguson's Class of '92, Wenger's Invincibles, Guardiola's Centurions. "Klopp's Saints", as good as any other team in English football history but undoubtedly also the most principled side too. This is how I'm spinning it.
The point is, if you don't do the "unrealistic" thing, then it's nothing more than PR as @Lynty says below.
The tube has five million passenger journey's every single day @Chesterlestreet
We already have a travel ban for people from Italy
Some numbers vs most recent similar outbreak, which had few times smaller death rate.
At day 43 the coronavirus had 43.1k cases and over 1k deaths (2.4%).
At day 43 the swine flu had 1.2k cases and 9 deaths (0.7%).
At day 58 the swine flue also had 44k cases and 219 deaths (0,5%).
80 days later the swine flu had 3.5 million cases and 17k deaths (0.5%).
200 days later the swine flu had 28 million cases.
Nearly 25% of coronavirus patients needs treatment in hospitals, in Italy all hospitals are overcrowded already and if you are over 60 - you won't get any help and be left to die.
If, as some of you recommends, no action should be taken, we'd have way bigger numbers and at least 10x the deaths compared to swine flu. Virus is also mutating so much quicker than swine flu and it's now proven to have long-term effects on lungs, some of first patients still can't climb to 2nd floor in one go.
At day 43 the coronavirus had 43.1k cases and over 1k deaths (2.4%).
At day 43 the swine flu had 1.2k cases and 9 deaths (0.7%).
At day 58 the swine flue also had 44k cases and 219 deaths (0,5%).
80 days later the swine flu had 3.5 million cases and 17k deaths (0.5%).
200 days later the swine flu had 28 million cases.
Nearly 25% of coronavirus patients needs treatment in hospitals, in Italy all hospitals are overcrowded already and if you are over 60 - you won't get any help and be left to die.
If, as some of you recommends, no action should be taken, we'd have way bigger numbers and at least 10x the deaths compared to swine flu. Virus is also mutating so much quicker than swine flu and it's now proven to have long-term effects on lungs, some of first patients still can't climb to 2nd floor in one go.
Absolutely, as I said above, we're talking 70,000 at a United game but 5 million journeys on the London tube alone every single day.
It's PR bollocks to make it look like the powers that be are doing everything possible to stop the spread, put everything on shut down or don't bother at all.
Why the fecking feck is Atletico - Dippers still happening tonight with thousands of fans being allowed in from fecking Madrid right now...?
Absolutely insane.
Absolutely insane.
A fine accolade indeed.
Perhaps they'll put a special mention in the record books.