SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

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Meh. 8 is clearly a very low number. Lower than all numbers from 9 and above and even up to a hundred. So based on that we can see that it's not a life threatening virus. No more threatening than dying from decapitation which kills 100 percentage of people (92 times more than 8).
"It's a beautiful virus, wonderful, it kills less than cancer does, that's something. And we can cure it, they say maybe a few months for a vaccine, a beautiful vaccine."
 

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Merkel just said 60-70 % of people will get it
Yeah it seems she just conceded (the health of) our country for the sake of money and economics.

Just imagine China would accept 70%. That would be a billion of infected people (instead they have just 80k) and millions of dead people.
 

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Yes you are. you're ignoring what you are being told and posting the same rubbish. I don't have time for your nonsense so listen when you are told something by somebody who understands what is going on. Your cancer analogy was one of the stupidest things I've seen in ages.
I am and said that I agree we should prevent it from spreading.

but hey we both said some dumbass stuff then because you’re threat to ban someone from a thread because they have a different view is just as stupid and childish.

“I don’t have time for your nonsense” I have a simple remedy for you then buddy DONT read what I post then and just skip over it IF you choose to read it that’s on YOU and not me.
 

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The Spanish flu had a mortality rate of circa 10%, but covid-19 might be more contagious. And if many people get infected at the same time, we can expect the mortality rate to go up considering the lack of medical support.

In fact, Spanish flu might have had an artificially high mortality rate considering that it happened during the war and so there was no adequate medical support for many people. We can expect here the mortality rate to go higher when the number of infected people is higher than the number of beds in the hospital, and the hospitals run out of oxygen breathers and so cannot support the infected.

For this, it is extremely important to slow down the spread of it.
The epidemiologist on Joe Rogan said the CFR was 3-3.2% and other number I got was on this website.

https://ourworldindata.org/spanish-flu-largest-influenza-pandemic-in-history
 

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The virus in its self is not scary or incredibly frightening its the fact that if you left it to just be you could have 200,000 people all ill with the same virus at the exact same time now there could be a very small percentage that needed critical care, but with our top heavy populations its likely to be higher then in a perfect stat model where its evenly infected all age ranges. In reality its likely to infect more 50+ year olds as most places have a top heavy population (we are living longer) so you have a case of 10/20 thousand critical people with say 5,000 available spaces to give them the treatment they require to have a chance of survival.

They would then have to go back to war like medical care and make an on spot judgement of who was likely to recover 70+ left to fight for yourself, underlying medical issues left to fight for yourself. as they prioritize the healthier younger over 50's then the others.

As the young population who will likely have a week in bed then go back to work its down to us to do everything possible to prevent the spread not to save ourselves but to look after the previous generation that brought us in to the world.

That is the issue.
Yes and I agree with this, we should obviously do the best we can to prevent it from spreading as best we can so to prevent further people from getting infected. I don’t think anyone was saying to just leave it be and let Mother Nature take it’s course.
 

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Oh I am fully aware of biases etc, but in times like this humans have always been very resourceful. In WW2 things were being designed, built and tested in months instead of decades. I don't think it's a stretch to say this is the medical equivalent of that. There has almost certainly never before been such a concentration and collaboration of resources on a single topic.
It's a shame so much focus and resources aren't put in to these things normally, without needing to be pushed by threat of death and economic downfall.

I believe a shit tonne of things used today stemmed from research into weapons and the like for the World Wars.
 

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I never said above 50 don’t matter but rather showing how threatening the virus is in comparison to all the other things mentioned in the post quoted who take more lives.

like I said we should prevent it from spreading the best we can. The virus it self is not a life threatening virus at all. There is a minimal chance you or I would die from it if we contracted it right now.

portugal has one of the worst ICU beds per capital ratio in the eu . in italy 10% of the cases needed one . do the math and think about other daily needs other then the virus for the icu beds . response times for medical emergencies will go up from 15 minutes to hours .
 

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What's gonna happen in the US? If they are truly doing as little as it seems, the whole Trump media hoax/exaggeration angle continues combined with their health care system?
 

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Why are people STILL posting viral Facebook nonsense and ignoring the vast array of insight from experts.
Don’t expect to say “it’s just a difference of opinion”’ if your opinion is wrong.
 

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Girl from the reception at our company is going to Madrid with her boyfriend next week for a holiday, I told her he has to stay home for two weeks after she returns to which she replied 'I'm young, you only live once, I don't care' and says she'll be coming to work as normal. I imagine that's going to be a quite frequent approach among young people which basically means this virus will be impossible to contain unless you just force everyone to stay home under the threat of severe penalties.
 

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What's gonna happen in the US? If they are truly doing as little as it seems, the whole Trump media hoax/exaggeration angle continues combined with their health care system?
They seem to be relying on private organisations to make sensible decisions on their own. Many events, universities and gatherings cancelled.

But yes, it will be a shitshow.
 

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This thread is growing like the Bruno Fernandes transfer thread.

Never thought I'd the see the likes in the CE Forum.
 

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They would then have to go back to war like medical care and make an on spot judgement of who was likely to recover 70+ left to fight for yourself, underlying medical issues left to fight for yourself. as they prioritize the healthier younger over 50's then the others.
They won't be comparing one coronavirus victim against another to see who best survives, they will be weighing coronavirus victims against non coronavirus cases.
 

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you must be du



portugal has one of the worst ICU beds per capital ratio in the eu . in italy 10% of the cases needed one . do the math and think about other daily needs other then the virus for the icu beds . response times for medical emergencies will go up from 15 minutes to hours .
I have been going off of the numbers given and provided. If I am misinformed then I will say I am wrong especially if it is worth then expected down the line.

I don’t mind being wrong and learning instead of having the need to always be right.
 

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Girl from the reception at our company is going to Madrid with her boyfriend next week for a holiday, I told her he has to stay home for two weeks after she returns to which she replied 'I'm young, you only live once, I don't care' and says she'll be coming to work as normal. I imagine that's going to be a quite frequent approach among young people which basically means this virus will be impossible to contain unless you just force everyone to stay home under the threat of severe penalties.
The Spanish/Polish governments are going to make the decision for her.
 

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Girl from the reception at our company is going to Madrid with her boyfriend next week for a holiday, I told her he has to stay home for two weeks after she returns to which she replied 'I'm young, you only live once, I don't care' and says she'll be coming to work as normal. I imagine that's going to be a quite frequent approach among young people which basically means this virus will be impossible to contain unless you just force everyone to stay home under the threat of severe penalties.
It'll certainly be a quite frequent approach among stupid people.
 

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Italy has 1,000 ventilators and 100k oxygen masks coming from China in the next few days, so hopefully the situation will stabilise.
I really hope so. But my instinct says Italy is basically a lost cause now with the virus high on the exponential growth curve, and they will not have enough medical staff to tend to patients.
 

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What's gonna happen in the US? If they are truly doing as little as it seems, the whole Trump media hoax/exaggeration angle continues combined with their health care system?
If 60-70% get infected, Trump will do something once one of his family catch it.
 

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I am and said that I agree we should prevent it from spreading.

but hey we both said some dumbass stuff then because you’re threat to ban someone from a thread because they have a different view is just as stupid and childish.

“I don’t have time for your nonsense” I have a simple remedy for you then buddy DONT read what I post then and just skip over it IF you choose to read it that’s on YOU and not me.
The difference is your message that 'its not that bad', aside from being totally wrong, is quite dangerous when its read by people who don't know any better.
 

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Why are people STILL posting viral Facebook nonsense and ignoring the vast array of insight from experts.
Don’t expect to say “it’s just a difference of opinion”’ if your opinion is wrong.
Well hence why I then grabbed number from John Hopkins university since that was a Facebook post with no credible source.
 

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Girl from the reception at our company is going to Madrid with her boyfriend next week for a holiday, I told her he has to stay home for two weeks after she returns to which she replied 'I'm young, you only live once, I don't care' and says she'll be coming to work as normal. I imagine that's going to be a quite frequent approach among young people which basically means this virus will be impossible to contain unless you just force everyone to stay home under the threat of severe penalties.
By next week Madrid could be a no go zone.
 

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What's gonna happen in the US? If they are truly doing as little as it seems, the whole Trump media hoax/exaggeration angle continues combined with their health care system?
What are you trying to say about a for-profit healthcare system that cuts costs wherever it can and tries to maintain as few beds as possible.
 

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Girl from the reception at our company is going to Madrid with her boyfriend next week for a holiday, I told her he has to stay home for two weeks after she returns to which she replied 'I'm young, you only live once, I don't care' and says she'll be coming to work as normal. I imagine that's going to be a quite frequent approach among young people which basically means this virus will be impossible to contain unless you just force everyone to stay home under the threat of severe penalties.
I wouldn't be able to hide my reaction to such stupidity. Maybe they should quickly pass a legislation criminalising reckless exposure.
 

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Would having the pneumonia vaccine help with this as a lot of people that we hear are dying are actually dying of pneumonia or is it a completely different strain than the one that people have been vaccinated for?
Flu vaccine is unrelated and provides no protection for coronavirus or its effects.
 

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The difference is your message that 'its not that bad', aside from being totally wrong, is quite dangerous when its read by people who don't know any better.
Ya I was saying the virus in itself is not that bad. The spreading of it and over population of people per hospitals is obviously an issue. Which is why I agreed with everyone who said we should try to prevent it
 

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I really hope so. But my instinct says Italy is basically a lost cause now with the virus high on the exponential growth curve, and they will not have enough medical staff to tend to patients.
There are also specialist doctors coming over who treated the first wave in China.
 

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Ya I was saying the virus in itself is not that bad. The spreading of it and over population of people per hospitals is obviously an issue. Which is why I agreed with everyone who said we should try to prevent it
It depends what you mean by 'not that bad'. It's not an existential risk to the human race (unless there's some long-term effects of infection that haven't yet emerged), but it does have the potential to kill millions of people. And it's well on the way to happening.

Put it this way, we'd happily trade this virus for one with a 20% mortality rate with a significantly lower infection rate.
 

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Girl from the reception at our company is going to Madrid with her boyfriend next week for a holiday, I told her he has to stay home for two weeks after she returns to which she replied 'I'm young, you only live once, I don't care' and says she'll be coming to work as normal. I imagine that's going to be a quite frequent approach among young people which basically means this virus will be impossible to contain unless you just force everyone to stay home under the threat of severe penalties.
Selfish twat.
 

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It depends what you mean by 'not that bad'. It's not an existential risk to the human race (unless there's some long-term effects of infection that haven't yet emerged), but it does have the potential to kill millions of people. And it's well on the way to happening.

Not forgetting the economic havoc and all the other unforeseen consequences. But hey...at least it 'ain't cancer.