SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

SportingCP96

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Not forgetting the economic havoc and all the other unforeseen consequences. But hey...at least it 'ain't cancer.
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Yeah it seems she just conceded (the health of) our country for the sake of money and economics.

Just imagine China would accept 70%. That would be a billion of infected people (instead they have just 80k) and millions of dead people.
Germany should abandon democracy and revert to authoritarianism again.
 

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Ya I was saying the virus in itself is not that bad. The spreading of it and over population of people per hospitals is obviously an issue. Which is why I agreed with everyone who said we should try to prevent it
Not that bad, eh?

 

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Girl from the reception at our company is going to Madrid with her boyfriend next week for a holiday, I told her he has to stay home for two weeks after she returns to which she replied 'I'm young, you only live once, I don't care' and says she'll be coming to work as normal. I imagine that's going to be a quite frequent approach among young people which basically means this virus will be impossible to contain unless you just force everyone to stay home under the threat of severe penalties.
Sack her!

But in all seriousness, you should explain to HR that Madrid is a hot spot and she should self isolate after her holiday. She could potentially infect the staff, your clients and anyone that comes in contact with her through work.
 

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I don’t like this opinion!

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Give it a rest. This is serious topic with a lot of people trying to get info and you are derailing this with pointless posts.
 

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Could you provide some info here?
Well, basically it is just the beginning and will spread more. The problem is that you can have the virus but no symptoms, which makes it difficult. He also said that people don’t take it serious enough and should start with he anti-socializing and be more careful. It is not just elderly people who are at risk, smoking, obesity etc. can also have a huge impact. What you see now in Italy could happen to all the other countries as well who are hit badly.

Those who say it’s is not bad don’t realize this is just the beginning. He said it will be an issue for the next 4-6 months and wont go away once it gets warmer, unlike the regular flu.
 

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Why are people STILL posting viral Facebook nonsense and ignoring the vast array of insight from experts.
Don’t expect to say “it’s just a difference of opinion”’ if your opinion is wrong.
Exactly.

At this stage, 'the non panic, you have a higher chance of dying from a coconut' brigade are the equivalent of climate change deniers.
 

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8% mortality is absolutely frightening. Especially if you consider that apparently it's not impossible to contract this multiple times (there were cases of people becoming sick twice).
I think it has more to do with the facilities / people not being up to dealing with the numbers of infected more than anything. Italy have clearly been woefully prepared for any kind of health epidemic. They have an ageing population (2nd highest in Europe) and a struggling economy.

Our NHS will clearly struggle too if numbers ramp up because it's already been cut back to the bare bones but greedy politicians.
 

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8% mortality is absolutely frightening. Especially if you consider that apparently it's not impossible to contract this multiple times (there were cases of people becoming sick twice).
Probably false negatives (were released while the virus was still in the system), but that would be scar indeed if it turns to be true.
 

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I know but I'm talking about the pneumonia vaccine as a lot of case turn into pneumonia.
The pneumonia vaccine immunises against bacterial pneumococcus pneumonia.

Unfortunately Covid-19 causes a viral SARS pneumonia and so is unaffected by the vaccine.
 

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I have a feeling that many Americans are going to learn that they don't actually have the best healthcare in the world. This could actually be the thing that convinces them that a single-payer system is the way to go.
 

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Eh? How did you become a mod exactly?
“This guy has a different view then me or people in the thread so I am going to remove you”

I am not arguing or offending anyone (to my knowledge) I am simply having a discussion about the topic at hand.

The hell kind of mod is this.
Probably he's the kind of mod who gets exasperated when someone thinks cancer deaths can be compared to those caused by a highly-infectious disease. You don't catch cancer when someone coughs on you.
 

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Sack her!

But in all seriousness, you should explain to HR that Madrid is a hot spot and she should self isolate after her holiday. She could potentially infect the staff, your clients and anyone that comes in contact with her through work.
You only live once mate, feck society, family, friends and co-workers.
 

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Some twat posted this in response to me on another forum.

Hey bruh, please let us know the % of people in the world that have actually been diagnosed with coronovirius. Oh, you don’t know?

There are so many other things we do everyday to ourselves and others that are more dangerous. Do you drive to work every day? If so, you are putting yourself and more people at risk than this thing will. So “do the right thing” and stop driving and otherwise living your life.
Words fail me.
 

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Some twat posted this in response to me on another forum.



Words fail me.
Not even worth engaging. Like I said, we live in an Idiocrcay now with the US and UK being the worst of the worst. All the chickens will come home to roost though and it will become clear in the coming months how much damage can be caused by electing people ill equipped to run a bath, much less a country.
 

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Sack her!

But in all seriousness, you should explain to HR that Madrid is a hot spot and she should self isolate after her holiday. She could potentially infect the staff, your clients and anyone that comes in contact with her through work.
I'll report her if I see her around after she returns. We have 300 people in our office, and our office complex has over 5,000 working here - and we are situated next to a shopping mall where most of staff eat lunch. If anyone gets ill it's going to spread like crazy.
 

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I'm actually glad we live in Italy. I have confidence in the government and the health system here, despite the precarious situation. There's hardly anyone about, folk seem to be doing what they've been asked to do.

I would definitely not like to be living in the USA - people are having to pay for tests? It's madness.
 

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All appointments with GPs, treatment room etc have been cancelled in my town in northern Ireland.
 

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Not even worth engaging. Like I said, we live in an Idiocrcay now with the US and UK being the worst of the worst. All the chickens will come home to roost though and it will become clear in the coming months how much damage can be caused by electing people ill equipped to run a bath, much less a country.
I raise you Ireland, the government barely even cancelled the Paddy's Parade in which there are around half a million people on the streets of Dublin.
 

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Well, basically it is just the beginning and will spread more. The problem is that you can have the virus but no symptoms, which makes it difficult. He also said that people don’t take it serious enough and should start with he anti-socializing and be more careful. It is not just elderly people who are at risk, smoking, obesity etc. can also have a huge impact. What you see now in Italy could happen to all the other countries as well who are hit badly.

Those who say it’s is not bad don’t realize this is just the beginning. He said it will be an issue for the next 4-6 months and wont go away once it gets warmer, unlike the regular flu.
Yeah. Pretty much what I've been saying for months. I find it a little funny that its taken 3 months for a lot of people to start taking this seriously.
 

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All appointments with GPs, treatment room etc have been cancelled in my town in northern Ireland.
I know it's not a big deal in the grand scheme of things but I'm pretty worried about dentist's being shut here in Ireland seeing as I have braces in that need tightening every few weeks :nervous:
 

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I am saying the virus itself is not a big life threatening one
What qualifications do you have? What research have you done? To support this. I hope you are right so please, any credentials or info to back this up. Otherwise, you are really just guessing
 

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I'll report her if I see her around after she returns. We have 300 people in our office, and our office complex has over 5,000 working here - and we are situated next to a shopping mall where most of staff eat lunch. If anyone gets ill it's going to spread like crazy.
Yeah that's probably the way to go. Pretty shit that you have to take responsibility for someone else but hey people don't give a shit about anyone other than themselves.
 

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That sounds pretty serious.

Is it because these doctors are needed in the front lines?
To ensure the facility stays open they've said. I doubt they must be only seeing those in desperate need.

Picking and choosing their patients aleady and no cases have been confirmed here, so god help people in Italy etc that need a doctor for anything non virus related because it must be impossible.
 

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I'm actually glad we live in Italy. I have confidence in the government and the health system here, despite the precarious situation. There's hardly anyone about, folk seem to be doing what they've been asked to do.

I would definitely not like to be living in the USA - people are having to pay for tests? It's madness.
I read a post on reddit earlier which criticised the earlier approach about fighting the virus head on. Wasn't there a "Milan welcomes you" quote? Read on here as well from @11101 that Italy didn't take it seriously enough when it started.
 

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“82,000 People are sick with Coronavirus at the moment,
of which 77,000 are in China.
This means that if you are not in or haven't recently visited China, this should eliminate 94% of your concern.

If you do contract Coronavirus, this still is not a cause for panic because:
81% of the Cases are MILD
14% of the Cases are MODERATE
Only 5% of the Cases are CRITICAL

Which means that even if you do get the virus, you are most likely to recover from it.

Some have said, “but this is worse than SARS!”. SARS had a fatality rate of 10% while COVID-19 has a fatality rate of 2%

Moreover, looking at the ages of those who are dying of this virus, the death rate for the people UNDER 50 years of age is only 0.2%

This means that:
if you are under 50 years of age and don't live in China - you are more likely to win the lottery (which has a 1 in 45,000,000 chance)

Let’s take one of the worst days so far, the 10th of February, when 108 people in CHINA died of Coronavirus.

On the same day:
26,283 people died of Cancer
24,641 people died of Heart Disease
4,300 people died of Diabetes
Suicide took 28 times more lives than the virus did.

Mosquitoes kill 2,740 people every day, HUMANS kill 1,300 fellow humans every day, and Snakes kill 137 people every day. (Sharks kill 2 people a year)

That is all.

Thank you Ken KJ Carter for putting it so educationally clear.

STOP FREAKING OUT!!!!”

Found this rather interesting
The number of cases isn't going to just stop at 82,000, though, it's going to keep growing (the total is now 115,000) and it's not going to stop any time soon -- which means the chances of someone contracting the virus will follow the same trend. That's how exponential growth works. As of today (March 11) there are 10,000 cases in Italy when there were under 1,000 just two weeks ago. The number of newly confirmed cases today in Italy has fallen below 1,000 for the first time since March 2nd, but the numbers are still very troubling and the slight downturn (which is still an increase, just a slower one) has only come after a countrywide lockdown.

The picture in the UK is almost following the same trajectory. It took Italy eight days to jump from 20 cases to 1,000 (March 21 - March 29); at current rates, the UK will have made the same jump in seventeen days (Feb 28 - March 15). We might be under a lockdown of our own by the end of next week. The doubly concerning thing for the UK is that we're testing far fewer people per million of the population than Italy did. What I mean to say is that there's a very high possibility that the number of confirmed cases in the UK is actually significantly lower than the reality.

There are 41 cases in Portugal. Expect that number to be 1,000 (or nearby) come the end of the month.

Forget all the data for a second, though. Speak to the average person under 50 and they're not likely to be concerned for themselves. They've likely got relatives in their 70s & 80s who they didn't plan on burying for a few years yet, or siblings/children/partners/colleagues who have COPD or asthma, etc. When we have this virus under enough control to return to normal life, the final death toll could be anywhere between 10,000 and 1,000,000. That's at least 10,000 loved ones lost too early. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm more worried about the effects of over-population and over-consumption than I am the coronavirus, but acting like an edgy smart arse in the face of genuine tragedy isn't proper.
 

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I know it's not a big deal in the grand scheme of things but I'm pretty worried about dentist's being shut here in Ireland seeing as I have braces in that need tightening every few weeks :nervous:
Im hust after acl surgery 7 days ago. I need regular bloods, heart rate checks and dressings changed.

I had low heart rate and kidney fuction following the operation and wouldnt have been discharged except they needed the bed.

So i duno what im going to do here now.

It doesnt matter in the scheme of things as im a young man and im sure after a week of water and proper food in probably ok buts its a worrying sign in a town that has no cases.

Makes me think more about those towns and cities that are hit with this and how theyll cope
 

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I read a post on reddit earlier which criticised the earlier approach about fighting the virus head on. Wasn't there a "Milan welcomes you" quote? Read on here as well from @11101 that Italy didn't take it seriously enough when it started.
Yes, I can't argue with that but I think this country-wide lockdown isn't something many European countries would impose.
 

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Personally I would be very surprised if with decades of studies they cannot (relatively) accurately determine and predict how many people will have a mild flu each year that do not actually see a Doctor.
You seem to be missing the point. The main way in which people are comparing mortality between influenza and COVID-19 is by something called CFR. This is the Case Fatality Rate. The key word here is "Case". The CFR is the % of confirmed cases that end up dead. For influenza this is around 0.1 to 0.2%. For COVID-19 the CFR globally (according to the WHO) is estimated at 3.4% The influenza CFR is much more reliable because it's based on analysis of a much larger pool of data, over a long period of time but it is just as likely as the COVID-19 CFR to exclude mild cases i.e. people like you and me who regularly get "man flu" but never end up being seen by a doctor, never mind having swabs sent off to confirm the diagnosis. Hence mild cases of both types of COVID-19 and influenza don't get included in the calculation because they never end up having a test to confirm the cause of their illness.