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Clubs with tight budgets will have a hard time living through that. Not sure how the sponsoring and tv deals look like in detail but I guess they'll drop off immensely when there are no games to be played. And they still have to pay huge wage hills etc.

If the corona crisis is here to stay for a few months I wouldn't be surprised if some clubs find themselves in very very unpleasant situations, maybe even bankruptcy.
They're going to anyway, because the league is going to be suspensed.

It's obviously not ideal, but putting it off just gets more people infected.
 

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They'll let Liverpool win 2 games before suspending
I can't see the logistics behind that working out.

If they allow a team to finish the season being first placed, then they have to logically decide who finished second, third, fourth, 18th, 19th, 20th. You can't just decide for one position and then null and void the rest.
 

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Looking pretty grim.

To cheer us all up they should set up a special Corona Summer Super League. Only infected players allowed to take part.
 

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It's RAWK level delusion to think the PL give that much of a feck about Liverpool winning the league to keep it going just to crown them champions.
Unsure if this is true as I can't be arsed to check but Blackpool were apparently top of the League when WW2 broke out and they never got awarded the title.
 

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Na, there is much more going on in the league than just first place. That's probably much less important than 20th, 19th, 18th etc with the financial impacts of relegation.
I am sure I read somewhere that games can be postponed but if the season can't be completed or if postponement is more than 60 days or something then season is null and void. Not sure what would happen but if they tried to relegate the bottom three teams at that time, I can imagine all kinds of litigation and what is applied to bottom 3 must also apply to the top unless it was mathematically impossible for pool to lose the league.

The season should stop now there are more important things at stake.
 

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Unsure if this is true as I can't be arsed to check but Blackpool were apparently top of the League when WW2 broke out and they never got awarded the title.
Just checked and it's true.
 

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Unsure if this is true as I can't be arsed to check but Blackpool were apparently top of the League when WW2 broke out and they never got awarded the title.
That wiki page seems to agree with you indeed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1939–40_Football_League

It was less of a problem because you just have to say the league doesn't exist and don't have to worry about who qualifies for the CL.
CL qualification existed starting the 1956 season.

This season, it will be a bit more complicated. Who goes through then? The same as last year? That would be pretty bad business for us as we need to be back in the CL.
We need to be top 4 and then they freeze the league to have a good chance. Otherwise, we have to ask to continue (at least from our perspective).

We won't have a say but this is how I see it.
 

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This is what I'm leaning toward as well.
Losing the title though in this manner may dent their moral so bad as well, and already cracks have started over the last few months and it's been more luck and VAR that has helped them over the line than earlier in the season.
So maybe the next season will be a lot less tight.
The silver lining is that their trophy parade will have to be called off and winning it in whatever stadium will be empty.
Amongst all this bad news, I have some potentially happy news for you!
According to a poster in another thread, UEFA use a ranking system when a season is cancelled. In which case Real would be crowned winners of the Champions League and we would be crowned winners of the Europa League due to our team ranking. If the PL is cancelled Liverpool won't win the league and we would still play in Champions League next season for being crowned champions of the Europa League due to ranking.
Our dreams come true!
 

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They could suspend the league and play the rest of the 9-10 games during the time Euros was supposed to be held if the situation has improved by then. If measures are taken swiftly, this could be a possibility. Delaying the suspension is only going to leave us in a no-man's land.
 

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That wiki page seems to agree with you indeed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1939–40_Football_League

It was less of a problem because you just have to say the league doesn't exist and don't have to worry about who qualifies for the CL.
CL qualification existed starting the 1956 season.

This season, it will be a bit more complicated. Who goes through then? The same as last year? That would be pretty bad business for us as we need to be back in the CL.
We need to be top 4 and then they freeze the league to have a good chance. Otherwise, we have to ask to continue (at least from our perspective).

We won't have a say but this is how I see it.
Yeah plus it happened in September compared to March, but still, nothing was awarded. Having read that Athletic piece it seems everyone is desperate to complete this behind closed doors but I don't think they will be allowed to. In the first few pages Liverpool fans were dashing around with winks and smileys galore and dismissing this as a desperate plea to stop them winning it. It's crazy/scary what a few days in a pandemic can do in such a short space of time.
 

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Amongst all this bad news, I have some potentially happy news for you!
According to a poster in another thread, UEFA use a ranking system when a season is cancelled. In which case Real would be crowned winners of the Champions League and we would be crowned winners of the Europa League due to our team ranking. If the PL is cancelled Liverpool won't win the league and we would still play in Champions League next season for being crowned champions of the Europa League due to ranking.
Our dreams come true!
That is fecking hilarious
 

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if they cancel this years champions league, then technically they are
They aren't - because they were knocked out of the this year's campaign before it was called off. It would be void without any holders.
 

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Amongst all this bad news, I have some potentially happy news for you!
According to a poster in another thread, UEFA use a ranking system when a season is cancelled. In which case Real would be crowned winners of the Champions League and we would be crowned winners of the Europa League due to our team ranking. If the PL is cancelled Liverpool won't win the league and we would still play in Champions League next season for being crowned champions of the Europa League due to ranking.
Our dreams come true!
This would be amazing! :lol:
 

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Amongst all this bad news, I have some potentially happy news for you!
According to a poster in another thread, UEFA use a ranking system when a season is cancelled. In which case Real would be crowned winners of the Champions League and we would be crowned winners of the Europa League due to our team ranking. If the PL is cancelled Liverpool won't win the league and we would still play in Champions League next season for being crowned champions of the Europa League due to ranking.
Our dreams come true!
This is too funny to be true.
 

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Amongst all this bad news, I have some potentially happy news for you!
According to a poster in another thread, UEFA use a ranking system when a season is cancelled. In which case Real would be crowned winners of the Champions League and we would be crowned winners of the Europa League due to our team ranking. If the PL is cancelled Liverpool won't win the league and we would still play in Champions League next season for being crowned champions of the Europa League due to ranking.
Our dreams come true!
Gods a confirmed United fan
 

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They're going to anyway, because the league is going to be suspensed.

It's obviously not ideal, but putting it off just gets more people infected.
I fully agree. Was just trying to put myself in their position. IMO, it's about time they suspend all football competitions around the world. We may need some sort of safety net for clubs that are hit especially hard from this crisis. Don't know, maybe the respective associations of each league can organize something like that. Or maybe the top clubs show some solidarity.
 

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From your own graph there were 61k deaths out of an estimated caseload of 45 million. That's a mortality rate of 0.13%. That's literally 25x less than your 3.4% figure. 61k x 25 = 1.525 million.
I thought I understood but I've got questions again.

61,000 deaths from 4,500,000 cases is 1.36%. (Regular flu from couple of years ago United States).
29 deaths from 987 cases is 2.94%. (Coronavirus now United States).

So if there was 4,500,000 cases of Coronavirus in US and 2.94% of those died, then there would be 132,300 expected deaths.

Are you saying that the number of cases is expected to be much higher than 4,500,000 or that the 2.94% is going to increase? Or both?

I'm not American, I'm just using US numbers because that's what I happen to find. That CDC chart in my initial post.
 

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Amongst all this bad news, I have some potentially happy news for you!
According to a poster in another thread, UEFA use a ranking system when a season is cancelled. In which case Real would be crowned winners of the Champions League and we would be crowned winners of the Europa League due to our team ranking. If the PL is cancelled Liverpool won't win the league and we would still play in Champions League next season for being crowned champions of the Europa League due to ranking.
Our dreams come true!
If this was to happen, then I'm convinced that we're living in a simulation.
 

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Whether Liverpool win this year or not, just remember to keep referring to it as the Corona Cup, like it's not a real title.
 

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If this was to happen, then I'm convinced that we're living in a simulation.
If at any point in the future, science advances enough to create simulations of life (and virtual reality is only round the corner), then there would probably be millions of simulations created. In this scenario, the odds of this life being the real one and not one of the simulations would be less than one in a million and so maybe we are.
 

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There's no firm proof that rule exists yet. Someone said it without posting a source and it seems to have spread.
The Athletic link someone posted is probably the best estimate. Either take the snapshot of the league now and call it the final standings (clubs can't complain about Liverpool being Champions but would complain about top 4/relegation standings) Or, have play-offs to decide.

My punt is a blend of the two. Liverpool won't need a play off and will be crowned as Champions whilst those within an x band of top 4 will have a play-off of some sort. Same with those in relegation zones. I can't really think of any other way?
 

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If at any point in the future, science advances enough to create simulations of life (and virtual reality is only round the corner), then there would be millions of simulations created. The odds of this life being the real one and not one of the simulations would be less than one in a million and so maybe we are.
There's definitely a good chance, yes.

But if the thing above was to happen, then there's no doubt...
 

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I thought I understood but I've got questions again.

61,000 deaths from 4,500,000 cases is 1.36%. (Regular flu from couple of years ago United States).
29 deaths from 987 cases is 2.94%. (Coronavirus now United States).

So if there was 4,500,000 cases of Coronavirus in US and 2.94% of those died, then there would be 132,300 expected deaths.

Are you saying that the number of cases is expected to be much higher than 4,500,000 or that the 2.94% is going to increase? Or both?

I'm not American, I'm just using US numbers because that's what I happen to find. That CDC chart in my initial post.
Some numbers are here:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/