I think people just want to slag off the UK government.
haha, loads will not, you can be sure of that. But more will than low-risk groups and that's the point.
It's a strange thing to say, but it could be an invaluable exercise for a future pandemic with a much high death rate.
It's shite like this that makes me want liberal democracy to crash and burn the world over and for all countries to adopt a form of East Asian-style defensive democracy.
Sadly not. One part I found interesting and relevant was that through using the data they collected, in the early stages of a limited supply vaccine you can target, identify and vaccinate 'superspreaders' and significantly reduce the spread of the virus.
Yep. I am coming to terms with the fact that one or more of my grandparents may well not see their great grandchild who is expected next month. That’s tragic.
It's a perfectly fine illustration of the idea. But that does nothing to address the limitations or criticisms of the underlying idea itself. The more credulous seem to be glomming on to it as a demonstration of the effectiveness of the policy.
Not much so far. Media are not allowed in and staff are too busy to be taking photos.
They do. It is rooted in bigotry and political motivation I feel. This is one of the lead people on the UK strategy debunking the narrative the herd immunity is the UK main aim.
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Not much so far. Media are not allowed in and staff are too busy to be taking photos.
I did see this, my local hospital is using the ambulance garage as a makeshift ward
The UK is not in the same situation as any other country though.
You really need to be placing more scrutiny on the politics of the decision making. One thing I am relieved about is that we have just had a general election and won’t have another one for 4+ years, so our government and our opposition can truly leave the short-term popularity of their decisions to one side.
Wtf? Who exactly told you that?
Sky News were running some pretty frightening footage yesterday out of Lombardy; it might be on their website.
I think it's having exactly that effect. Football worked out for itself that it didn't want the responsibility of spreading the virus. Trade shows and similar events are being cancelled. Local theatre companies, community centres etc are already closing operations.
I’m glad you are arguing this, because we have had people insisting the whole country should essentially do this, as if it is no big deal, as if no further problems are created. There’s no doubting this will be hard.
UK communicated it terribly though, hardly a surprise when you have Boris as a leader. That's the biggest problem. Everywhere including foreign newspapers this "UK is going herd immunity way" line made them look crazy, that's what I though too because it's just madness. Now since they clarified that it's not their target and they are just waiting for a good time to do more drastic actions, it makes sense. Communication is key at moments like this and I think they failed that.
It certainly doesn't need to be 6-8 months though. The aim of the lockdowns is to make sure the health services have capacity not eradicate all traces.
Vallance when on Sky News and spent the entire time speaking about herd immunity. He barely spoke about any other measures.
Yeah I say so as well but she says we need to replicate China and lock people down for a few months minimum. I think there are much better approaches than what China have done, and surely much more viable in European society.
Yeah, if you take the Grand Est as an example, it's getting out of hand. The lockdown is probably not warranted for every regions but the northern part of the country is already overwhelmed.
Perhaps Europe is, and that's a silly interpretation of "mild" that nobody is suggesting, of course. It's what an expert described as "fever, runny nose, sore throat, fatigue, coughing, muscle aches and sometimes chills," symptoms that, again, could easily be confused with having regular flu. I believe people were aware of the threat but testing itself was always lagging.
This is the problem, yeah. Considering how contagious COVID-19 is, it's a very low figure that can't possibly fill anybody with confidence that the government is fully aware of the scale of its spread in a population of 67 million. As we progress, I think the bigger picture will show that Europe was always playing catch-up with the virus.
Ouch.
It's entirely right that countries time measures carefully as the simple reality is that many of these measures are not sustainable for an extended or indefinite period. Even other countries which aren't pursuing the same policy as the UK recognise this.
I wouldn't say they are contradicting themselves.I'm reading conflicting advice on whether to treat fever with paracetamol or not. The NHS website recommendations it as a treatment method. However that Dr. John Campbell dude said in one of his videos that he doesn't recommend it as it works against the body's natural defense mechanism to raise the temperature and kill the virus (or something along those lines). I'm not currently sick, just trying to be prepared for when the time comes.
What are your thoughts @Arruda @Pogue Mahone if you don't mind me asking?
can you picture how you would feel at the airport and on a busy plane right now?
