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Been on hold with easyJet for just under two hours.No exactly, will be the same for most I would think.
Been on hold with easyJet for just under two hours.No exactly, will be the same for most I would think.
It amazes me that the UK has not been given guidelines on what to do if they get a fever. By the time the shit hits the fan the hotline will be overrun and useless.Dr John Campbell has a PHD but is a retired nurse. Paracetamol is fine. It will help you feel better symptomatically. There is no correlation between paracetamol use and worse prognosis in any disease.
Some advice from French health minister to avoid ibuprofen (precedent is that its tended to be avoid in certain viral infections e.g. chickenpox) but no evidence base cited
WHO says UK is wrong? Really?It's not that stupid when other countries, experts, modelling and the WHO are following an approach that suggests that the UK's experts are wrong. Assuming that your country's experts are right just because they happen to be from your country would hardly be evidence of robust thinking.
Why?Been on hold with easyJet for just under two hours.
Im in the north and unionist, but they'll just have to get in line with ireland if that happens. No way we can have one set of rules and ireland another. Its impossible and closing the border would be impossible as well imoInfections are going to sky rocket in Ireland over the next two weeks. Then what happened in Italy will happen in Ireland. Might even have to shut the border with NI if that is possible.
Doesnt help when loads of people are seeing singing and dancing in pubs last night. They are too dumb to realize what is coming.
I've not watched his videos but his LinkedIn in profile was enough to turn me off. He's probably trying to help but who knows if he will.That guy is not a doctor and we should really stop posting his videos in here. Hes got a lot of things wrong and is not qualified to be dishing out advice.
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There is so much we could have done to prepare for this virus. You have people constantly defending our government but they don't deserve it.That seems like a very sensible, practical and manageable idea.
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Hand sanitiser in public places wouldn’t have helped, you’re underestimating this virus and overestimating the public.There is so much we could have done to prepare for this virus. You have people constantly defending our government but they don't deserve it.
My company, a few weeks back, had sanitiser dispensers installed all over the office - why hasn't this been implemented in all public places? This whole rush for food has been happening for a few weeks now yet all we're doing is asking people to stop. This is a country which rioted a few years back over nothing - you think asking people is enough? I'm shocked by the lack of preparation.
It’s irritating me lots. I’ve come to the conclusion that a high percentage of the human population are just ignorant dumb fecks! Anyone going into a bar etc or still considering going on holidays needs their fecking heads read because I think their brain is probably infectedInfections are going to sky rocket in Ireland over the next two weeks. Then what happened in Italy will happen in Ireland. Might even have to shut the border with NI if that is possible.
Doesnt help when loads of people are seeing singing and dancing in pubs last night. They are too dumb to realize what is coming.
here in Nova Scotia, there are zero cases, the only province in Canada without one. In a place called cape breton, they have designated an hour in the mornings that seniors can go to the grocery store without anyone else present and right after the store has been completely wiped down and sanitized.
No, it's not good enough, I would need a link for that, and explanation who exactly are those experts. Because biggest experts on this should be from WHO, and here is what they have to say:Right @Amar__ last night, the Danish governments OWN experts on this stated clearly that shutting down the country was NOT advised by them and was purely political. That good enough for you?
And Donald Trump actually banned flights from Europe, but not the UK and Ireland, a decision so fecking stupid and see-through that he was forced to add the UK and Ireland to it JUST the following day. The scenes tweeted from O’Hare airport tell of plenty more political stupid decision making in the US.
But yeah, not political at all. How the feck can you even question that statement?
Yeah, that's great if the elderly person has family or friendly neighbours. Some won't have those or will be too proud to rely on them. In these cases, the government will need to deliver food and other essentials to them, otherwise these people are going to be going out to buy food. They need to think this through moreGoing to have to rely on their family and/or neighbours. The entire care sector in this country will collapse within a few weeks of this starting with most of the staff needing to stay home to look after young kids when the schools close. I work in the sector and honestly this is going to be a total shit show.
Ú wòt mate.I find it interesting that not everyone has the same approach. The UK seem better prepared than most. It may or may not work better, but i am curious to see the outcome. We can learn more by it than everyone using the same strategy with different applications
WHY? Why the feck do people need to be flying right now? If I was confronted with that scene I’d turn around and walk out the nearest exit.Tweet
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That's them flying home from overseas right @golden_blunder ?WHY? Why the feck do people need to be flying right now? If I was confronted with that scene I’d turn around and walk out the nearest exit.
IF there was ever a plague or something with a higher mortality rate across all ages humanity would truly be fecked
They are coming back due to the travel ban.WHY? Why the feck do people need to be flying right now? If I was confronted with that scene I’d turn around and walk out the nearest exit.
IF there was ever a plague or something with a higher mortality rate across all ages humanity would truly be fecked
The WHO has laid out a recommended, comprehensive approach to tackling the pandemic and the UK is diverging significantly from that approach. Basic common sense would tell you that it's extremely unlikely for the WHO to think the UK is right to vary from the WHO's recommendations, especially when WHO spokespeople are openly warning against countries deviating from their recommendations. Who did you think they were talking about?WHO says UK is wrong? Really?
And which other countries mate? Do you have any proof of other countries or WHO experts suggesting UK has it wrong?
It is also utter bollocks because it seems to think that we restrict hard now but that we then stop any restrictions a few weeks later which takes us back to square one.Latest from the government spokesperson.
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The only decision that has been political, ie not at the advice of the health authorities, has been the closing of the border.I'm in Sweden @Godfather, and we're following similar advice. In fact, our experts here slated Denmark last night, and the Danish experts later came out and agreed, admitting the decisions made were purely political.
There are plenty of people who are worried and there are plenty of people who are willing to take action.Hand sanitiser in public places wouldn’t have helped, you’re underestimating this virus and overestimating the public.
It will be the army then.Yeah, that's great if the elderly person has family or friendly neighbours. Some won't have those or will be too proud to rely on them. In these cases, the government will need to deliver food and other essentials to them, otherwise these people are going to be going out to buy food. They need to think this through more
thats the thing, we are better equipped than ever for people to know about this stuff, but they insist on walking straight into it anyway.WHY? Why the feck do people need to be flying right now? If I was confronted with that scene I’d turn around and walk out the nearest exit.
IF there was ever a plague or something with a higher mortality rate across all ages humanity would truly be fecked
It’s the arrivals hall. You’d be turning around to get back on a plane, pretty sure that’s not an option.WHY? Why the feck do people need to be flying right now? If I was confronted with that scene I’d turn around and walk out the nearest exit.
IF there was ever a plague or something with a higher mortality rate across all ages humanity would truly be fecked
That's behind a paywall, and it's also pure hysteria, the UK can and will lockdown. Who are the signees to start with? It says scientists from "from a wide range of departments" so how many with actual knowledge of this?No, it's not good enough, I would need a link for that, and explanation who exactly are those experts. Because biggest experts on this should be from WHO, and here is what they have to say:
https://www.ft.com/content/64d54c97-6c8d-31e3-848c-be0e93cadc52
And you are using Trump as an argument now, great stuff. The entire world is questioning UK's approach, and yet you use your experts as the main argument.
Thanks, I was trying to find that answer. I don't really understand the border thing because I'm not sure about what it's supposed to prevent, the virus is already well established inside the borders.The only decision that has been political, ie not at the advice of the health authorities, has been the closing of the border.
You're getting all of this wrong.The WHO has laid out a recommended, comprehensive approach to tackling the pandemic and the UK is diverging significantly from that approach. Basic common sense would tell you that it's extremely unlikely for the WHO to think the UK is right to vary from the WHO's recommendations, especially when WHO spokespeople are openly warning against countries deviating from their recommendations. Who did you think they were talking about?
Aside from that, WHO spokeswoman Margaret Harris directly questioned the herd immunity idea, saying we don't know enough about the immunological profile to know whether theories about becoming immune are correct.
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No, the UK is following a model with much higher figures than the current recorded numbers.The UK approach seems to fail basic math. It basically amounts to "right now the exponential curve is flat, so let's wait to do something until the exponential curve starts shooting upwards."
A bit of an update:So my parent's went on a 5 week cruise a fortnight ago against everybody else's better judgement and on Thursday a passenger was removed with a chest infection. Test results came back a few hours ago, positive, so they're basically quarantined in Recife until the Brazilian authorities decide what to do. They've been confined to cabins since Thursday with zero crew contact permitted.
The cruise line's website has no mention of this - they did announce on Friday that all current and future cruises would be suspended for a period of 30 days - in line with other cruise companies. Boat is Silver Shadow (not one of the two Silversea ships reported on this morning by various outlets).
My best guess is it is to reinforce the" stay at home" mentality. What Regulus is on about is wildly exaggerated though.Thanks, I was trying to find that answer. I don't really understand the border thing because I'm not sure about what it's supposed to prevent, the virus is already well established inside the borders.
You know that there are quotes from the chief medical advisor to the government saying the exact opposite on this very page, right?You're getting all of this wrong.
UK has confirmed it absolutely is not going for herd immunity.
And b), the UK IS following WHO guidelines and will continue to do so, on their timeline.
Bang on the money too.This is the person who are you supposed to trust the most, right:
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2...f-defends-uk-measures-criticism-herd-immunity
“Our aim is to try and reduce the peak, broaden the peak, not suppress it completely; also, because the vast majority of people get a mild illness, to build up some kind of herd immunity so more people are immune to this disease and we reduce the transmission, at the same time we protect those who are most vulnerable to it. Those are the key things we need to do.”
@Classical Mechanic @Smores @Regulus Arcturus Black
France has 4,500 confirmed cases and the growth track is very similar to Italy. It takes up to 7 days for most people to get symptoms, which means that you really have 17-20k cases. It's a different story at that point and all major EU countries are starting lockdowns at ~ 5,000 cases for a reason. They know it really means 20k cases and that's the point where health services can no longer cope. Italy is at that point now and we have just received tonnes of equipment from China to expand capacity, other countries won't have that option.Yeah, if you take the Grand Est as an example, it's getting out of hand. The lockdown is probably not warranted for every regions but the northern part of the country is already overwhelmed.
No @B20, he's saying what is true. Europe is heading to herd immunity whether it's planned or not. Surely you understand this is inevitable at this stage right? Or do you honestly believe we can surpress it?You know that there are quotes from the chief medical advisor to the government saying the exact opposite on this very page, right?