Never mind posters on here, the doctors in Italy have been telling anyone who will listen for weeks now. So bizarre that this message somehow didn’t get through to the medics in PHE. Either that or it did get through and they weren’t being listened to.
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feck offBill Gates must be thrilled.. ?
‘The world today has 6.8 billion people. That's heading up to about nine billion. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care & reproductive health services, we could LOWER that by perhaps 10 or 15 percent.
Ex vaccine researcher:
‘At the highest levels of the medical cartel, vaccines are a top priority because they cause a weakening of the immune system. I know that may be hard to accept, but its true. The medical cartel, at the highest level, is not out to help people, it is out to harm them, to weaken them. To kill them. At one point in my career, I had a long conversation with a man who occupied a high government position in an African nation. He told me that he was well aware of this. He told me that WHO is a front for these depopulation interests’.
Im not endorsing any ‘conspiracy’ theory, especially in times like these, but one can objectively present statements from ‘wealthy’ influential ‘elites’ who have been advocating for a ‘less populated’ earth for decades.
Again, i am merely presenting a view, and quotes which are tracable to the people who said them.
Parody Boris Johnson is loving this, it's just such a depressing time, I got to find the humour somewhere.
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To be fair, they did say they'll remain flexible and won't hesitate to use more extreme measures if the situation escalates.
Love the reference. Tough metal bastards to crack those Primes.
Wait, don't they have chocolate on them? That's toxic to dogs!
Listen mate, with that attitude you won't be affluent for very long.
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thanks, I needed thisReducing the number of deaths and childhood diseases (via vaccines etc) and improving the quality of life reduces the number of children people have. Where there's war, famine/poverty, malnourishment, people strive to have as many kids as possible because many of them could die and they could easily be left with none.
Wife works in gordons, one of the main pharmacists in the town. 3 people are showing symptoms including he who is responsible for the home deliveries of subscriptions and all 3 have been told they have to keep working
Just seen someone posting a picture of someone selling baby milk formula on Facebook for £40, they had 35 of them left as well.
That's definitely not the the position from which I've been arguing.
I have zero affiliation with this government. I'm a Green voter in most elections, with the occasional tactical vote for Labour or the Lib Dems. I've never voted Tory, and I think Boris is a cnut.
What I've been arguing for in this thread is a multi-faceted approach to this crisis, as best descibed by the multi-disciplinary board leading the strategy.
My argument tries to take into account lives lost in the short term, as well lives lost in the long term, the potential for civil unrest leading to rioting, quarantine and curfew management, people being able to keep their jobs so they can pay for food and rent and don't become homeless, keeping families above the poverty line, keeping the supply chain unbroken so that shops can be stocked with food, keeping order on the streets so that medical workers can get to hospitals, keeping the utilities running so that we all have water to drink, etc. etc.
The opposing view in this thread is to take a single-track approach which mainly takes into account lives lost in the short term, and hopes the knock on effects in the long-term are also positive.
I don't think the single-track view is ignoble in any way. I think most who argue for it are doing so from a well-meaning place. However, I also think it's misguided in terms of coming up with the best possible solution for keeping the highest number of citizens alive and safe for the next 18 months until the crisis is (hopefully) over.
I'm a pragmatist who's quite happy to change his mind based on fresh information. If the multi-faceted approach and the single-track approach end up in agreement, then great. But it will be down to luck rather than judgement because a multi-faceted approach will always be closer to the ideal.
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Got a guy that works for me who is 76 (never saved for a pension) and has a underlying heart condition. I'm terrified for him.
Pumping gas into Lidl
And the Swedish.
That said, I don’t think the bottom line has changed here. The report states that the consensus route still has a massive then what(?!) at the end of it and could end up worse. I think the UK’s plan was too utilitarian and those ideas just don’t float anymore. The political gamble of going against the consensus was just too great with the stakes at play.
Classic Dom, Machiavellian Weirdo Blue Sky Thinking ... or something.
WTF indeed,Sid.
Brilliant
Yep. I think this pandemic will be harder to contain than most here seem to believe. Hundreds of thousands will die no matter what we do.
The Coronavirus is going to win. The only question is how much by.
76 and never saved for a pension? Don't you have to provide a pension for anyone who works for you? Or does that not apply in the Sheffield Gulag?
Jesus fecking Christ. Not the right time for anti-vaxxers.Bill Gates must be thrilled.. ?
‘The world today has 6.8 billion people. That's heading up to about nine billion. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care & reproductive health services, we could LOWER that by perhaps 10 or 15 percent.
Ex vaccine researcher:
‘At the highest levels of the medical cartel, vaccines are a top priority because they cause a weakening of the immune system. I know that may be hard to accept, but its true. The medical cartel, at the highest level, is not out to help people, it is out to harm them, to weaken them. To kill them. At one point in my career, I had a long conversation with a man who occupied a high government position in an African nation. He told me that he was well aware of this. He told me that WHO is a front for these depopulation interests’.
Im not endorsing any ‘conspiracy’ theory, especially in times like these, but one can objectively present statements from ‘wealthy’ influential ‘elites’ who have been advocating for a ‘less populated’ earth for decades.
Again, i am merely presenting a view, and quotes which are tracable to the people who said them.
Didn't mean to misrepresent your position, was actually just asking what you thought of the paper?
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I love this comment on the worldnews sub. Sometimes the stereotype is actually funny.
>I think it's hilarious that I can only remember seeing Ireland in the news twice in my recent memory.
>3/15/2020 - Pubs in Ireland asked to close due to Coronavirus.
>3/16/2020 - Irish developed testing kit to confirm Coronavirus in 15 minutes.
I love this comment on the worldnews sub. Sometimes the stereotype is actually funny.
>I think it's hilarious that I can only remember seeing Ireland in the news twice in my recent memory.
>3/15/2020 - Pubs in Ireland asked to close due to Coronavirus.
>3/16/2020 - Irish developed testing kit to confirm Coronavirus in 15 minutes.
Terries - you generally used a nappy liner which caught most of the solid stuff and could be chucked or flushed away, then you sterilised them in a bucket with Napisan and hot-washed them at 60 degrees.
In the old days when people didn't have washing machines, they would be boil-washed.
Keep fighting the good fight.
Alex is that you?Bill Gates must be thrilled.. ?
‘The world today has 6.8 billion people. That's heading up to about nine billion. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care & reproductive health services, we could LOWER that by perhaps 10 or 15 percent.
Ex vaccine researcher:
‘At the highest levels of the medical cartel, vaccines are a top priority because they cause a weakening of the immune system. I know that may be hard to accept, but its true. The medical cartel, at the highest level, is not out to help people, it is out to harm them, to weaken them. To kill them. At one point in my career, I had a long conversation with a man who occupied a high government position in an African nation. He told me that he was well aware of this. He told me that WHO is a front for these depopulation interests’.
Im not endorsing any ‘conspiracy’ theory, especially in times like these, but one can objectively present statements from ‘wealthy’ influential ‘elites’ who have been advocating for a ‘less populated’ earth for decades.
Again, i am merely presenting a view, and quotes which are tracable to the people who said them.
UK has one of the lowest out of 40 countries regarding beds per 1000 people and ICU beds per 100k.
We've had months for ventilator orders, and a month watching Italy, I would've been on it ages ago.
This timing of the lockdown has to be earlier than perhaps other countries.
I mean, UK has done a decent amount of testing actually but we don't have room for patients, this is the true travesty of a 65 million+ so called rich nation.
We've had months for ventilator orders, and a month watching Italy, I would've been on it ages ago.
This timing of the lockdown has to be earlier than perhaps other countries.
I mean, UK has done a decent amount of testing actually but we don't have room for patients, this is the true travesty of a 65 million+ so called rich nation.
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Imma just presenting my view, which is not a conspiracy theory, but Bill Gates wants to kill a billion people.Bill Gates must be thrilled.. ?
‘The world today has 6.8 billion people. That's heading up to about nine billion. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care & reproductive health services, we could LOWER that by perhaps 10 or 15 percent.
Ex vaccine researcher:
‘At the highest levels of the medical cartel, vaccines are a top priority because they cause a weakening of the immune system. I know that may be hard to accept, but its true. The medical cartel, at the highest level, is not out to help people, it is out to harm them, to weaken them. To kill them. At one point in my career, I had a long conversation with a man who occupied a high government position in an African nation. He told me that he was well aware of this. He told me that WHO is a front for these depopulation interests’.
Im not endorsing any ‘conspiracy’ theory, especially in times like these, but one can objectively present statements from ‘wealthy’ influential ‘elites’ who have been advocating for a ‘less populated’ earth for decades.
Again, i am merely presenting a view, and quotes which are tracable to the people who said them.
I saw interview of Chief Scientific Adviser Sir Patrick Vallance and he said exactly opposite to what this BuzzFeed news agency article is claiming.
Agree, I think the political calculation has changed.
Chief of the Dutch National Health Institute:
Fecking hell, mate.
I should have pointed out no dogs were harmed in the making of this joke. Although I did once have to chase him around the house when he stole a cream egg.
Wait, don't they have chocolate on them? That's toxic to dogs!
To be quite honest I don't fault them too much.
The government are doing the right thing by listening to their own experts, who know the situation in their own country better than anybody in the WHO (who are a total waste of space) or anywhere else. It's how good government is supposed to work.
How those experts managed to feck it up is another question, but again the government is doing the right thing by admitting the mistake and changing course.
It's far better than a certain idiot leader who refuses to listen to those who know better and would never in a million years admit he was wrong.
Those rules came in, what, 5 years ago?
Agree 100%
So what is the current level of thinking about how this particular virus behaves with different weather conditions?