SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

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Yesterday one of my line reports came into work to report symptoms and ask if she should work from home.

I'm livid. I doubt she has it but it's scared others in the office. She said she wanted to 'show her face in the office' before asking. For fecks sake
 

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Terries - you generally used a nappy liner which caught most of the solid stuff and could be chucked or flushed away, then you sterilised them in a bucket with Napisan and hot-washed them at 60 degrees.

In the old days when people didn't have washing machines, they would be boil-washed.
Exactly. Normally you'd get an 'ok boomer' for that reply.
 

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Steady on.

It isn't on from her certainly, but she could be an hourly paid worker with no job security. No amount of compassion she shows by staying at home is going too help her keep the lights and heating on, let alone food on the table.
Nah. It's selfish. Just had to settle some guy down who has had a go at her but you know what I can't disagree with him. She could literally kill someone by spreading. You can't tell me that's okay, I'm sorry.
 

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It always makes you wonder what it means to be a citizen then. Meaningful when the national anthem is on, hand to heart and all that? But when it comes to the practicality of being considerate to your fellow American, European, British citizen etc, it seems to fall way short.

It only shows how much people are being manipulated by governments to feel patriotic for their own needs -- gov't control and your own personal identity. But when collective national conscience is required other fellow citizens and their health, many just dont give a feck. And will be they will be first to wrap themselves around the flag.
It's as if people need to see the actual consequences for themselves before they take note. A lad I know has been posting things about a conspiracy theory based on all of this. I'm not going to go into the bollocks but I'm sure he's not the only one which in turn gives him a blaise attitude about it all.
 

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Yesterday one of my line reports came into work to report symptoms and ask if she should work from home.

I'm livid. I doubt she has it but it's scared others in the office. She said she wanted to 'show her face in the office' before asking. For fecks sake
It's a cultural thing. Most organisations just don't trust their employees, so people feel like they need to prove that they're genuine.
 

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It's as if people need to see the actual consequences for themselves before they take note. A lad I know has been posting things about a conspiracy theory based on all of this. I'm not going to go into the bollocks but I'm sure he's not the only one which in turn gives him a blaise attitude about it all.
Patriotism, what a lot of crock.
 

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Patriotism, what a lot of crock.
I'd argue patriotism is good, nationalism is bad.

It's fine to want to improve your country for the common good.

It's even okay to be proud of some of your country's achievements: technological, humanitarian or otherwise.

But it's not good to have a sense of superiority over other nationalities, or to belittle people and think less of them based solely upon where they were born, or worse still upon their race. I guess this is for another thread really, but I do think there's still a place for patriotism and even being proud of one's own country, but not for blind nationalism and resentment/superiority.
 

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And for anyone still defending this government and explaning to us all how not testing is a good thing really because we don't have the capacity.

 

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Nah. It's selfish. Just had to settle some guy down who has had a go at her but you know what I can't disagree with him. She could literally kill someone by spreading. You can't tell me that's okay, I'm sorry.
I didn't say it was ok, but there are confusing choices that people are having too make that have far reaching consequences. So whilst we all agree that it isn't on that she is using public transportation in that state, there might be a very delicate economic situation that she is dealing with that could be the difference between children eating or not. A little understanding on all sides is needed.
 

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It's a cultural thing. Most organisations just don't trust their employees, so people feel like they need to prove that they're genuine.
By coming in during a pandemic when reporting symptoms?

Without going into detail, a lack of trust is warranted in her case after a number of occasions exploiting the trust put in her.
 

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I didn't say it was ok, but there are confusing choices that people are having too make that have far reaching consequences. So whilst we all agree that it isn't on that she is using public transportation in that state, there might be a very delicate economic situation that she is dealing with that could be the difference between children eating or not. A little understanding on all sides is needed.
I fully understand that but surely loss of life trumps all? It's very irresponsible and to me selfish. Her symptoms are blatantly obvious yeah she's sat on the train coughing away. No mask, gloves, tissues. No nothing. At least try ffs.
 

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I'd argue patriotism is good, nationalism is bad.

It's fine to want to improve your country for the common good.

It's even okay to be proud of some of your country's achievements: technological, humanitarian or otherwise.

But it's not good to have a sense of superiority over other nationalities, or to belittle people and think less of them based solely upon where they were born, or worse still upon their race. I guess this is for another thread really, but I do think there's still a place for patriotism and even being proud of one's own country, but not for blind nationalism and resentment/superiority.
Yes but if patriotism is all that which is to may the individual feel good about himself and with a sense of belonging. But what good is that if there is little concern for those of your own community.

Its a purely a selfish endeavour then.
 

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By coming in during a pandemic when reporting symptoms?

Without going into detail, a lack of trust is warranted in her case after a number of occasions exploiting the trust put in her.
Yes - like you said, at this stage you doubt she has it. Now, in a couple of weeks or months - she might genuinely have it, so are these two instances going to be enough to trigger a warning/firing etc?

I understand there are genuine pisstakers in the system. However if your businesses culture spends most of its efforts on focusing on them, it puts a lot of your employees in a defensive position.
 

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Yes - like you said, at this stage you doubt she has it. Now, in a couple of weeks or months - she might genuinely have it, so are these two instances going to be enough to trigger a warning/firing etc?

I understand there are genuine pisstakers in the system. However if your businesses culture spends most of its efforts on focusing on them, it puts a lot of your employees in a defensive position.
Other line reports are pissed off that I've trusted her for too long!

Either way she is quarantined from work now and she was silly for coming in against policy. I fed back to her that it was not sensible and i can't see it going further than that unless she does something else stupid related to breaking self isolation
 

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Going through airports is probably a great way to catch the thing. That's why I'm staying in Ethiopia. No point going back to Denmark to sit in quarantine while at the same time increasing the risk of me catching it (on the way there) and thereby spreading it to others. Might as well just hunker down here.
I'm in Djibouti so very close to you, a colleague of mine tested negative for the corona but rumors say that someone else has been tested positive.
I'm afraid for the population here, people living in close proximity to one another, a population with a poor immune system (thanks to that fecking legalized drug khat imported from ethiopia). At least the airport is closed (starting tomorrow) and the borders monitored but I'm very scared for the local population.
 

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If everyone withdrew their money, the banks would be fecked, the economy would collapse and we'd all have go back to a bartering system of sea shells and shiny rocks. But I don't think there's any chance of that happening. The banks/government will simply come up with withdrawal limits and attempt stimulus packages.

But it's always a good idea to have a bit of extra cash in your pocket for a rainy day. I wouldn't want to bet my survival on VISA or Mastercard in the event of banking crisis.

I think robberies and looting of shuttered stores are inevitable. They were happening before the virus, so they'll only get worse as people get more desperate.
Surely the governmnet would close the banks to withdrawals if there's a run?

Going through airports is probably a great way to catch the thing. That's why I'm staying in Ethiopia. No point going back to Denmark to sit in quarantine while at the same time increasing the risk of me catching it (on the way there) and thereby spreading it to others. Might as well just hunker down here.
My calculation would be which country I'd rather get sick in or be present in in the case of civil unrest. I'm thinking that Denmark is by far the country I'd rather be in. Transmission on planes and in airports is not as bad as you might think. In a crowd if there's an infected person and they pass it on to someone else that person will not become infectious for a number of days so there would be no chain infection effect. So long as you're a metre away from an infected person you ae likely to be OK so once on a plane you're not in any great danger. I'm assuming that you're young so you are low risk of getting ill if infected anyway.
 

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I'm in Djibouti so very close to you, a colleague of mine tested negative for the corona but rumors say that someone else has been tested positive.
I'm afraid for the population here, people living in close proximity to one another, a population with a poor immune system (thanks to that fecking legalized drug khat imported from ethiopia). At least the airport is closed (starting tomorrow) and the borders monitored but I'm very scared for the local population.
Yeah I'm mainly worried about the local population as well. There's sooo many people here many of whom have their daily lives on the streets due to all the small shops etc. being there. Then you have the food culture of sharing things and eating with your hands. It could explode.

With regards to me and my partner, I'm mainly worried that if we do see an epidemic here that we'll have great big targets on our backs. But that's not really that bad in the grand scheme of things.
 

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Yeah I'm mainly worried about the local population as well. There's sooo many people here many of whom have their daily lives on the streets due to all the small shops etc. being there. Then you have the food culture of sharing things and eating with your hands. It could explode.

With regards to me and my partner, I'm mainly worried that if we do see an epidemic here that we'll have great big targets on our backs. But that's not really that bad in the grand scheme of things.
As in getting robbed or worse ? Or something else ?
Regarding what you said, it's not "it could explode", it will explode. It'll just be matter of being lucky enough to survive it.
 

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Are people’s organisations paying people if they are self isolating or will have to have time off if schools close or is it unpaid leave?
Nope. I’d get SSP which is about £94week I think. That’s 5 times less than I normally pick up, happy days.
Edited with the real SSP rate.
 
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Let's not add runs on banks to this doomsday scenario. They're in a much better position than they were a decade ago so much so that the BOE has allowed them to release some counter-cyclical capital as stimulus.

Just seen Amazon are on an recruitment run given the shift to delivery. This pandemic will kill our high streets for good and put even more power towards the likes of Amazon.
 

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Will the hotter weather in europe come May / June / july / august more or less see an end to this virus? I dont recall myself or others ever getting ill in the summer. Is this strain different?
Pardon my lack of knowledge on the subject.
 

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Let's not add runs on banks to this doomsday scenario. They're in a much better position than they were a decade ago so much so that the BOE has allowed them to release some counter-cyclical capital as stimulus.

Just seen Amazon are on an recruitment run given the shift to delivery. This pandemic will kill our high streets for good and put even more power towards the likes of Amazon.
I'd guess that gig economy workers are more likely to be OK for jobs throughout this. There's a massive demand for delivery drivers growing.
 

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Will the hotter weather in europe come May / June / july / august more or less see an end to this virus? I dont recall myself or others ever getting ill in the summer. Is this strain different?
Pardon my lack of knowledge on the subject.
No one knows for sure, some experts say yes there will be an easing but feel there will be another explosion next winter.
 

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I’ve just realised that @Starkie_1 probably thinks that affluent is to flu what asymptomatic is to symptoms.
 

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My calculation would be which country I'd rather get sick in or be present in in the case of civil unrest. I'm thinking that Denmark is by far the country I'd rather be in. Transmission on planes and in airports is not as bad as you might think. In a crowd if there's an infected person and they pass it on to someone else that person will not become infectious for a number of days so there would be no chain infection effect. So long as you're a metre away from an infected person you ae likely to be OK so once on a plane you're not in any great danger. I'm assuming that you're young so you are low risk of getting ill if infected anyway.
Yeah I considered that as well, but as of right now the Danish system is under way more pressure. That could change quickly though.
And I'm foolishly betting on being someone who doesn't need a hospital bed if I do get it.
As in getting robbed or worse ? Or something else ?
Regarding what you said, it's not "it could explode", it will explode. It'll just be matter of being lucky enough to survive it.
Yeah robbed I suppose. Get blamed from bringing the virus into the country with whatever consequence that might bring along.
 

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Let's not add runs on banks to this doomsday scenario. They're in a much better position than they were a decade ago so much so that the BOE has allowed them to release some counter-cyclical capital as stimulus.

Just seen Amazon are on an recruitment run given the shift to delivery. This pandemic will kill our high streets for good and put even more power towards the likes of Amazon.
Yeah, this will no doubt just improve big guns position on the market. Our biggest food companies here are breaking their records every day, oil companies are raising prices despite the biggest downfall in decades(transport inside the country is still on high level), and supermarket chains probably have no idea what to do with extra money, of course they raised their prices on many products.

And yes, I agree about the banks, but can't help but feel the biggest banks will earn even more from this somehow, probably with the help of goverments.
 

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I didn't say it was ok, but there are confusing choices that people are having too make that have far reaching consequences. So whilst we all agree that it isn't on that she is using public transportation in that state, there might be a very delicate economic situation that she is dealing with that could be the difference between children eating or not. A little understanding on all sides is needed.
I disagree. You're in the UK yes? There is a safety net to protect them. It might put her in a difficult situation but her children will be survive, she will be survive. The people she infects might not. It's irresponsible regardless of her person circumstances.
 

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Went to Lidl near my home today to get some supplies, zero issues. There were maybe 20 people in store total, everyone was keeping good distance, there wasn't any shortage of anything. It was actually a pleasant experience. I'm starting to enjoy those empty streets, life is much slower and working from home is actually pretty efficient.
 

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I'd argue patriotism is good, nationalism is bad.

It's fine to want to improve your country for the common good.

It's even okay to be proud of some of your country's achievements: technological, humanitarian or otherwise.

But it's not good to have a sense of superiority over other nationalities, or to belittle people and think less of them based solely upon where they were born, or worse still upon their race. I guess this is for another thread really, but I do think there's still a place for patriotism and even being proud of one's own country, but not for blind nationalism and resentment/superiority.
I would argue it's the other way around. Pride is a dangerous thing at the best of times but being proud of someone else's (such as your country's) achievements? That is just completely non-sensical. Alarm bells are ringing for me when someone proclaims they're proud of their country. Because it leads to the things you are rightly worried about in your last paragraph.

Political nationalism, as in having strong independent nation states, I would regard as a good thing and very important however. Now more than ever.
 

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Imagine telling somebody in 2015 that in 5 years:

Donald Trump is the president of the United States of America.
Britain has left the European Union.
A new virus has appeared and within months brought the world to its knees, caused mass global panic, killed thousands in many countries, caused lockdowns in others and Hollywood style street curfew enforcement.

It's almost like this is actually a VR simulation and somebody is fecking with us to see how we react.
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It seems to be based on a lock down followed by a 100% return to normal. Which isn't going to happen.
Exactly, there is no way people would just be allowed to go back to living their normal lives unrestrained after the lockdown, so how could you possibly see the same exponential curve in infection rates for the second outbreak? Makes zero sense to me.
 

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Just seen Amazon are on an recruitment run given the shift to delivery. This pandemic will kill our high streets for good and put even more power towards the likes of Amazon.
This is what I thought as soon as I saw that headline. I'm not sure it will kill them for good but will certainly make a massive dent in them for a good while.