But hasn't it always been like this? Ive been to China several times and seen these markets. Its been like that for a long time.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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This is the best pandemic, a perfect pandemic. As perfect as the transcript of the call with the president of Ukraine.
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The reason the death rate is low and you have a lot of cases is you have done 135k testing in the last two weeks plus more in total. Spain has done 30k in total a few days ago, France 6.6k tested on 5th of March and probably 20-25k before the lockdown recently. To get these high test figures Germany will have tested many with mild symptoms that in other countries are just told to self isolate. Had you done about 30k in total, you might be 1500 cases. The huge amount of testing points to a currently good situation and the high cases and deaths rates in Spain from just 30k, a very bad one.
I would say that this pressure has to be exerted on any country that lets them exist, but obviously China have the most responsibility because their wet markets are generally on a whole different scale, and they have so many of them. And it's the scale that really drives up the risk.
Where's the source for this one Sammy?
It has been relatively recently, as industry maybe in the last 30-40 years. And wet markets gave us also the SARS (with H5N1 and H7N2 also originating in China, both can have a catastrophic end of civilization consequences). China needs to ban forver wet markets (they have suspended them) and to heavily regulate their food industry.
Well y'know if he has to go to the pub....
I have no problem with people solely pinning the blame on the Chinese government, Covid19 is quite directly their fault. And government officials trying to put out half baked conspiracy theories does them absolutely no favours. Trump is right about that.
It would be one thing if this hadn't happened before, but it did and they willingly ignored the risks of it happening again.
It would be one thing if this hadn't happened before, but it did and they willingly ignored the risks of it happening again.
Can people here please stop defending China over this?
The worst thing that happened to the entire population since probably second World War came from one of their sea markets and their terrible food culture that should be nowhere near legal, and there's this too:
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-china-51409801
The worst thing that happened to the entire population since probably second World War came from one of their sea markets and their terrible food culture that should be nowhere near legal, and there's this too:
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-china-51409801
Yes, and this isn't the first time this has happened. SARS started in China, as a precaution they then shut down the wet markets. Then as soon as SARS cleared, the reopened them. Two superviruses in 20 years is an appalling record.
I've said this before - we must avoid xenophobia whilst discussing China, I've been there and admired parts of their culture greatly - but there is no food hygeine where these markets are concerned, the animals are kept inhumanely and slaughtered in filthy conditions. This has to change, and wild wet markets have to stop.
Not really, if I'm not mistaken the last update saw Germany register more new death than the amount of serious/critical cases they had. There is something weird with their figures.
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as I wrote in my original post, its just floating around social media. I don't have the sources.
Stay safe friend.
I don't disagree at all, but then I think 2 in 20 years is very very low. Surely it should happen very regularly?
PS: these types of markets exist all over Asia and Africa.
My ex-boss (Munich) is insisting that they are not counting deaths of people who have other diseases. Like if you have cancer, and you die, they don't count it as from coronavirus (like Italy does) in order to not spread the panic. I think it is the only viable theory, they are having more deaths than critical conditions, significantly less deaths than countries with similar number of infected people and so on.
Where are you getting that someone eating a bat caused this outbreak? A whatsapp group?
Probably best not to post unconfirmed information.
Montenegro confirms the first two cases. Every country in Europe has officially diagnosed cases now.
I also think that they are not actually counting critical people the same way. In France my understanding is that anyone given a reanimation or ICU bed is considered serious/critical.
I'm sure it's alright. He probably lives in an affluent area with like minded individuals who enjoy roast dinners on Sundays.
Why do you say that?
I thought that was quite well accepted as a very plausible reason
Pints to go
That's an interesting take. It makes sense, too.
Death coding is supposed to be standardised internationally though. Does he work in healthcare?
We’re still dealing with small numbers, so it could just be variance.
because the over crowded wet markets where different animals are stacked onto of each other and pass on their excrement, viruses and other crap to each other (shown in VDO above) have been around for ages. These unhygienic and virtually unregulated markets exist all across SE Asia, China and Africa too.
Surely super powerful viruses would develop regularly under such conditions. Why only SARs 20 years ago and now convid19?
You don't maintain a healthy supply of beer at home? I panic when I'm done to two 6 packs.Pints to go
No, she doesn't. It was mostly her deduction and chatting with other people.
There could be still some variance, but it is too much for it to be variance. They have over 9k cases with 24 deaths, France has 7k with 175 deaths, while Spain has 11k with 510 deaths. Statistically, this looks weird.
the fecking state of parliament.
Chancellor bollocked by speaker for speaking to the nation before the 4 or 5 mps that would be there at this time of night. cnut.
Chancellor bollocked by speaker for speaking to the nation before the 4 or 5 mps that would be there at this time of night. cnut.
I order - and have always ordered hoard police - a month's worth at a time.
No, I don't drink very often myself. I have a healthy supply of ganja, though.
Not a complete lockdown in Belgium. Still allowed to go for a walk or running, but not in group. All stores closed, except pharmacies and grocery stores.
I hope that this is the new fancy breakfast.Absolutely determined not to let them get their insurance payouts.