I can see why countries want China’s help, yes they were the cause of this but they only went up 21 cases today and currently only have 8000 active cases so they are on the decline while Europe is a mess at the moment
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Decent speech by Leo. Hopefully a wake-up call for any eejits still living in denial.
Apologies if already posted, hard to keep up with the thread.
That's a fantastic address to the nation.
Really big firms often take insurance a lot more seriously, not worrying about saving a small percentage but rather the implications of not being covered. My old firm used to deal with AFC Bournemouth's policy and although I don't know if something like Corona was covered, they certainly had good coverage so maybe.
Your average pub or restaurant owner (in my few years of experience in that particular market) is running on such small margins that any offering of additional covers was met with laughter. I often had to argue to get pub owners to take out cover that was a legal requirement.
Do you imagine other countries would have done better than China? It's hard to imagine for me. Obviously we can criticise their initial approach when even they were not sure what they were facing, but since then their approach has been nothing short of remarkable for me. We've world powers like the UK acting clueless at a stage where they are much, much better informed than China was at the time.China helped no one when they were hiding the extent of the epidemy and then letting people come and go from China. And now we have people looking at them like heros.
Other countries would not have arrested and detained the doctor who was warning the other doctors that a SARS-like virus is infecting people.
Send her to stay with them - and when you visit wear mask and gloves and don't kiss etc.
At least until things (hopefully) settle down.
I agree completely.
Well, China literally let infected people fly all around the world for months. I don't know nor care about whether other countries would have done better but I will not consider the main cause and source of the pandemic as some sort of heroes because they happen to be 1.5bn and therefore have the capacity to mass produce at a higher scale than any one else.
I haven't blamed China, I get that in moments of crisis you can make mistakes, I totally accept but I refure to here feckwits act as if China were righteous and the rest are the villains. That is totally asinine.
Yeah but most governments still wouldn’t of believed him, if I went around beforehand saying this in the UK nobody would believe me. China is the cause of this don’t get me wrong but there approach has been excellent they have 1,3 billion people and 21 cases today them and South Korea have this under control
One of many things that China will surely be under heavy scrutiny for in the aftermath of this.
Yep, certainly struck the right tone.
You seem to not realize that they are responsible for every single case that is outside of Wuhan. Their actual count is the global one.
This.
Once the dust settles, China has a lot to answer for.
Read this for some perspective :
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/15670/china-coronavirus-lies
He wasn't even telling that to the government, or going to the media. He was telling his colleagues that there is a high chance that SARS has returned, so they can know how to deal with their patients.
China fecked up, simple as that. And now they are making propaganda on how good they are, how they are willing to sell masks to other countries when they have been the main cause to this.
He was very good and hit the perfect tone for what's needed at the moment.
It's probably the first time I've been impressed by him.
Please don't. The very first part... "Italy's fatal mistake was trusting the China regime.... and keeping its borders open with China". So they kept the borders open purely based on trust? Did China tell them to keep it open?
edit: Gatestone Institute is a far-right think tank known for publishing anti-Muslim articles. It was founded in 2008 by Nina Rosenwald, who serves as its president. Former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations and former national security advisor, John R. Bolton, was its chairman from 2013 to March 2018. Wikipedia.
So is it fair to say Italians are very unhealthy in terms of respiratory function?
How can they be at almost a consistent 10% when the rest of Europe is nowhere near that.
Unless the Virus is extremely strong in that area, but not even China had issues to this level did they?
How can they be at almost a consistent 10% when the rest of Europe is nowhere near that.
Unless the Virus is extremely strong in that area, but not even China had issues to this level did they?
There's going to be a lot of blame shifting. The criticism of the EU on the one hand, China on the other, America's healthcare system and the Tory party's initial reaction to this are all potential causes for further unrest in what is an already very tense situation in world politics .
Yeah that's what I'm worried about. My dad was due to come back to the UK from Australia on May, where he's lived for the last six or so years and has Aussie citizenship now, to meet his grandson. He isn't in the best of health tbh so if this goes on for a long time he may never get the chance to come over.
Selfish I know, but that's what we pigeons are like.
Thought it was a great speech. Ironically this could turn him into a leader like he’s never been.
Imagine being a new government chucked headfirst into this
Or a lot more people have it/have had it and the stats are only showing up the more serious cases.
You've living in denial if you think that mob will wake up in this lifetime, old chap.
If Italy is such an outlier, maybe the UK shouldn’t be basing its revised modelling on the Italian data?
It's not a time for nationalist sentiment or anything, but in moments like this it angers me that Irish people in the North/NI are tied to London.
They would have believed him, Wuhan isn't a random city, it's one of the rare cities with a P4 lab. It's one of the rare cases where you could even think about a human mistake.
The demographic data would explain it. If they have a lot of elders among the positive cases compared to other countries, it would explain the higher mortality rate.
Should have done a full lock down like Italy.
Thanks for the replies. How long for though? She’d also be taking my 1 year old son
China are also the only country acting like a super power too so I think their response to their own crisis will be forgotten for their response in helping the rest of the world.
@Rhyme Animal Earlier, I stated the youngest victim sadly passed at 45 - he was diagnosed with ALS.
For 2 weeks until after you've caught it and recovered.
I know you want to risk it sooner than then, but it's not worth it. You'll have a lifetime together to look forward to after it's all over.
I've just been down to my local micropub. There was great beer and good company, and I've returned home feeling a bit more positive about life in general. My usual drinking buddy (70.02 years of age) had elected to follow the government advice and stay at home. He missed a good evening. I hope the establishment will remain open and, while it does, I will continue to support it.
I'm sure the government will eventually close pubs and make us all stay at home (a la France). As a single retired person I dread that day, and in the meantime I will continue to try to live my life as normally as possible.
I'm sure the government will eventually close pubs and make us all stay at home (a la France). As a single retired person I dread that day, and in the meantime I will continue to try to live my life as normally as possible.
Quarantine him @Damien
Yeah, but is it in a very affluent and like-minded area?
Who's 'him'?
For months? Maybe I've the wrong information then.
27/12/2019 - doctor shares observations of unknown pneumonia with Wuhan Jianghan CDC.
31/12/2019 - public notice is released and Who is informed.
There were 4 days in between Who being informed and the doctor's observations.
And 3 weeks later they imposed quarantine.
(Yes, in between those dates they pulled some totalitarian propaganda and the doctors got in trouble for saying the outbreak is like SARS).
Did you just assume gender?
Isn't that usually how it goes?