SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

[Redplane]

San Francisco is ahead of the curve and showing you the outcome (its called Prop 47, right?):

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I can tell you the same instructions have been given to police officers in towns all over. I was very worried about the civil disobedience it would lead to when I first heard about it from some departments around me. Not sure why those feck tards in Philly thought it was a good idea to put it into writing and having it come out but whatever - would have only been a matter of time for it to become known anyway. Clearly it's already having the effect I feared. Shits gonna be happening all across the country.

People gonna be buying even more guns than they already were because of all this. Fecked up stuff really.

 

[RoadTrip]

Madness.

 

[Sir Matt]

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This is terrifying for a variety of reasons. As an American, the federal government has done jack shit to push domestic producers to make more ventilators. Despite have 162,000 of them, the size of the country alone means that there will not be enough ventilators where they're needed on top of the number of cases we're likely to see overwhelming the entire system.

Another reason is the UK apparently only has 5,000 ventilators. Germany has 25,000. Boris Johnson and Dominic Cummings' strategy is going to get thousands of people killed. The US response has been a delayed clusterfeck, but the British government seems to be trying to do a worse job.

 

[Red_toad]

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What the feck? Why would you even publicly announce something like that. Philly about to initiate a Purge scenario

Ditto for Australia, put it out there that road side breath testing isn't going to happen..... Do the pissheads really need to know that kind of information?

 

[NewGlory]

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This is terrifying for a variety of reasons. As an American, the federal government has done jack shit to push domestic producers to make more ventilators. Despite have 162,000 of them, the size of the country alone means that there will not be enough ventilators where they're needed on top of the number of cases we're likely to see overwhelming the entire system.

Another reason is the UK apparently only has 5,000 ventilators. Germany has 25,000. Boris Johnson and Dominic Cummings' strategy is going to get thousands of people killed. The US response has been a delayed clusterfeck, but the British government seems to be trying to do a worse job.

They finally did something, invoking Defense Production Act: https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/18/politics/trump-defense-production-act-coronavirus/index.html

I heard production of medical masks and other supplies mentioned. Hope it expands to ventilators, as well. Retooling takes some time so moving quickly is very important.

 

[Sir Matt]

They finally did something, invoking Defense Production Act: https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/18/politics/trump-defense-production-act-coronavirus/index.html

I heard production of medical masks and other supplies mentioned. Hope it expands to ventilators, as well. Retooling takes some time so moving quickly is very important.

Yeah, but they're not going to use it. Trump said during the announcement and tweeted out after he just did it "in case" he needed to use it in the future. He's not doing anything not to force production of ventilators or face masks. He's going to wait again (like they did with the tests) and the supplies/equipment won't be ready.

The President stressed later Wednesday that he would only use the powers granted under the Defense Production Act "in a worst case scenario."

"I only signed the Defense Production Act to combat the Chinese Virus should we need to invoke it in a worst case scenario in the future," Trump tweeted. "Hopefully there will be no need, but we are all in this TOGETHER!"

 

[Redplane]

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Yeah, but they're not going to use it. Trump said during the announcement and tweeted out after he just did it "in case" he needed to use it in the future. He's not doing anything not to force production of ventilators or face masks. He's going to wait again (like they did with the tests) and the supplies/equipment won't be ready.

Love how he keeps talking about himself again too. Calling himself a wartime president as if all of this is some kind of notch on his belt.

 

[mariachi-19]

America is about to turn into a warzone ffs

 

[Giggs86]

San Francisco is ahead of the curve and showing you the outcome (its called Prop 47, right?):

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That's insane, but it's SF and that should be expected from a city ruined by democratic legislations.

Can't see that happening in gun friendly states where store owners stashing a shotgun behind the register.

 

[NewGlory]

Yeah, but they're not going to use it. Trump said during the announcement and tweeted out after he just did it "in case" he needed to use it in the future. He's not doing anything not to force production of ventilators or face masks. He's going to wait again (like they did with the tests) and the supplies/equipment won't be ready.

Oh God! What a clusterfeck.

 

[Redplane]

That's insane, but it's SF and that should be expected from a city ruined by democratic legislations.

Can't see that happening in gun friendly states where store owners stashing a shotgun behind the register.

Bahahaha. I love your optimism.

 

[NewGlory]

That's insane, but it's SF and that should be expected from a city ruined by democratic legislations.

Can't see that happening in gun friendly states where store owners stashing a shotgun behind the register.

That is not a very accurate description of the reality.

It's completely legal to own a gun in San Francisco. You need a handgun safety certificate, background check, 10 day waiting period, and then make the transfer via a FFL. Just because they don't sell guns on every street corner, doesn't mean you cannot own a gun in SF. If store owners know how to use guns and are interested to get in a shoot-out, they had a way and a reason to get a gun even before. But that wild-wild west shit is not for everybody.

In "gun-friendly" states, on the other hand - if shit gets very bad, you will have all kinds of people without any background checks, carrying around guns and potentially causing enough trouble to incite riots or worse. If shit gets bad, in "gun-friendly" states, they may have to bring out national guard and start patrolling streets.

 

[Giggs86]

Bahahaha. I love your optimism.

Ha. Ok then. Forget about it being a Walgreens, do you really think they would try to steal toiletries with a shotgun pointed at them?

 

[Redplane]

Ha. Ok then. Forget about it being a Walgreens, do you really think they would try to steal toiletries with a shotgun pointed at them?

First of all - you can still own a shotgun or handgun in CA. Secondly - how many shots do you think you can get off with a shotgun before someone gets to you if people really want to get something and you start having not one but several folks coming into your stores who might be armed themselves? If we have to en masse rely on store owners to use guns everywhere to ward that kind of stuff off we are well and truly fecked as a nation. Look at some of the mass riots we've had in this country and the robberies and looting that came with it. Didn't end up so well for the business owners.

 

[Giggs86]

That is not a very accurate description of the reality.

It's completely legal to own a gun in San Francisco. You need a handgun safety certificate, background check, 10 day waiting period, and then make the transfer via a FFL. Just because they don't sell guns on every street corner, doesn't mean you cannot own a gun in SF.

In "gun-friendly" states, on the other hand - if shit gets very bad, you will have all kinds of people without any background checks, carrying around guns and potentially causing enough harm to incite riots or worse. If shit gets bad, in "gun-friendly" states, they may have to bring out national guard and start patrolling streets.

Right, but that's not what I meant. It's the law that makes stealing a slight misdemeanor, which is probably nothing for those junkies.

 

[Giggs86]

First of all - you can still own a shotgun or handgun in CA. Secondly - how many shots do you think you can get off with a shotgun before someone gets to you if people really want to get something and you start having not one but several folks coming into your stores who might be armed themselves? If we have to en masse rely on store owners to use guns everywhere to ward that kind of stuff off we are well and truly fecked as a nation. Look at some of the mass riots we've had in this country and the robberies and looting that came with it. Didn't end up so well for the business owners.

The scenario you're talking about is way beyond the scope of that instance. Here you can see junkies/petty thieves that are aware of the leniency of the law and know they can do whatever they want because no one will stop them. My point is that if the laws over there were stricter and allowed to use force, they simply wouldn't have been stealing like that with immunity.

 

[Carolina Red]

Germany

Speaking of German stuff...

BMW is suspending operations in Europe and South Africa for Covid-19.

They announced today that they are continuing to operate the production facility in Greer, South Carolina.

Wtf

 

[Giggs86]

https://www.jpost.com/HEALTH-SCIENC...luLotkNUZbIR3wo30BVxUXA0Tw-jsPY3pXBMw1EH2I_fk

An optimistic outlook. Some interesting observations, especially the one about most people being naturally immune?

 

[Sky1981]

Ditto for Australia, put it out there that road side breath testing isn't going to happen..... Do the pissheads really need to know that kind of information?

it's understandable, one thing to quietly closed a blind eye to minor offences, but to formally announce it is stupity.

 

[NewGlory]

it's understandable, one thing to quietly closed a blind eye to minor offences, but to formally announce it is stupity.

Yeah. I think this is related to the fear that newly arrested people will bring the virus into prisons, which will cause a total catastrophe. So they are trying to decrease arrests. Declaring "we won't punish you" was stupid. Not increasing patrolling (at least to kick them out or cite them if not arrest) was reckless.

 

[Grinner]

I'd think the army will be deployed in London to protect hospitals, supermarkets and other key locations. The rest of the place will be left to fend for itself.

 

[Redplane]

Yeah. I think this is related to the fear that newly arrested people will bring the virus into prisons, which will cause a total catastrophe. So they are trying to decrease arrests. Declaring "we won't punish you" was stupid. Not increasing patrolling (at least to kick them out or cite them if not arrest) was reckless.

It's not just that - it's also to minimize exposure to the officers themselves, and to account for the fact the courts are either shutdown or operating at minimal staffing levels. That last part is troubling because even if we assume the threat of an arrest warrant is still enough to scare off some people - the court case loads will be so heavy once we return to "normal" that many will probably be dismissed or receive lighter penalties than normal to keep the prisons from overflowing.

 

[utdalltheway]

https://www.jpost.com/HEALTH-SCIENC...luLotkNUZbIR3wo30BVxUXA0Tw-jsPY3pXBMw1EH2I_fk

An optimistic outlook. Some interesting observations, especially the one about most people being naturally immune?

Some good news there alright.

 

[Wibble]

Some good news there alright.

He is also predicting a total of 10 or fewer deaths in Israel, perhaps as few as 5. Sounds dubious to say the least.

 

[RedTiger]

How many of you clean your mobile phones? We have them out quite a bit and particles tend to land on the screen as well as our touching them and putting then to our faces.

 

[Giggs86]

He is also predicting a total of 10 or fewer deaths in Israel, perhaps as few as 5. Sounds dubious to say the least.

So far they have zero deaths and about 500 confirmed cases. I guess we'll find out soon.

 

[mu4c_20le]

https://www.jpost.com/HEALTH-SCIENC...luLotkNUZbIR3wo30BVxUXA0Tw-jsPY3pXBMw1EH2I_fk

An optimistic outlook. Some interesting observations, especially the one about most people being naturally immune?

Surely that is something scientists would have already considered and tested? Every model out there is based on everyone being susceptible to the virus.

 

[utdalltheway]

He is also predicting a total of 10 or fewer deaths in Israel, perhaps as few as 5. Sounds dubious to say the least.

He is? That does sound dubious alright. Perhaps I’m just hoping he’s right. We have my wife’s 85 yr old Da living with us now and it’s scary to think about us getting it.

 

[Adisa]

8 cases in Nigeria with feck all testing done. Here we go.

 

[Wibble]

Surely that is something scientists would have already considered and tested? Every model out there is based on everyone being susceptible to the virus.

Unless there is some degree of immunity from other coronaviruses that we have had (30% of common colds) I really doubt that there is any natural immunity out there.

 

[4bars]

Unless there is some degree of immunity from other coronaviruses that we have had (30% of common colds) I really doubt that there is an natural immunity out there.

I read something about that on kids. There is a theory that they are more inmune because they are more exposed to corona viruses at schools

 

[Eboue]

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Musk combines - unlike anyone other - intelligence, creativity, vision and so on.

 

[mu4c_20le]

I read something about that on kids. There is a theory that they are more inmune because they are more exposed to corona viruses at schools

I think just like the common flu, nobody is completely immune to it, but some are more naturally immune and appear to show little to no symptoms. Maybe that's what the guy meant, but if they can still become hosts and pass it on, then it's kind of moot. I want to be optimistic, but can't help but feel he is being deliberately misleading.

 

[4bars]

I think just like the common flu, nobody is completely immune to it, but some are more naturally immune and appear to show little to no symptoms. Maybe that's what the guy meant, but if they can still become hosts and pass it on, then it's kind of moot. I want to be optimistic, but can't help but feel he is being deliberately misleading.

I guess there are multiple theories and he might be right. Even if Italy and Spanish numbers looks grim they are not exponential anymore and so no country besides at the start of the infected areas. That might be cause because of his theory that you have repetitive social circles and you can't infect more than the people that are in your circle but mostly that being aware and take germ precautions might be enough

For what a read, in south is asia, they didn't stop their day by day, they just used deterrents like masks and gloves and desinfecting places and their hands. At the same time personal contact like handshakes (not like they hug and kiss like in latin countries)

At least is good to have an optimistic vision and frankly, I thought 2 months ago that we were doomed but even if still thousands of people will die, it doesn't seem like covid19 is spreading exponentially after hitting big numbers. And summer is coming also

 

[T00lsh3d]

This is going to be the biggest thread on the Caf isn’t it unfortunately

I did wonder if it was the fastest growing thread ever (maybe in the general) over the past week.

 

[AbusementPark]

ive been looking at the dashboard for the virus spreading and one concern I have is the amount of people recovering from this, its very low for each country compared to the confirmed cases. Is it a timing issue that we have to wait a few weeks for the isolation period to elapse to update it as a recovered number?

 

[Wibble]

I read something about that on kids. There is a theory that they are more inmune because they are more exposed to corona viruses at schools

Maybe but that there have been zero deaths in the U9's and few infections/limited symptoms so I suspect something else is going on with this age group.

 

[Wibble]

I think just like the common flu, nobody is completely immune to it, but some are more naturally immune and appear to show little to no symptoms. Maybe that's what the guy meant, but if they can still become hosts and pass it on, then it's kind of moot. I want to be optimistic, but can't help but feel he is being deliberately misleading.

Most people have some immunity to flu and it is when the virus mutates rapidly that we have mini-epidemics. Colds are a huge range of viruses, the vast majority of which are mild and/or have been around for ages so almost irrelevant when discussing this novel corona-virus.

 

[Grinner]

Is it true that there are no new cases in Wuhan today?

 

[Ekkie Thump]

A Couple of UK companies have bee given the go-ahead to commence trials on some novel theraputic remedies (as opposed to vaccines):
https://pharmaphorum.com/news/duo-of-uk-firms-announce-coronavirus-therapy-trials/

SNG001 has been undergoing clinical trials since 2018 and reportedly shows some promise in significantly improving outcomes in COPD patients suffering from viral respiratory infections :
https://copdnewstoday.com/2019/07/2...1-aiding-copd-patients-with-viral-infections/

Siltuximab (AKA Sylvant or CNTO 328) is already available but has a long list of side effects. The justification for its efficacy is that it might help ameliorate the immune system over-reaction to covid-19 that's seen in severe cases. Apparently the body produces an overabundance of an inflammatory interleukin (IL-6) that interferes with respiratory function. One of the properties of Siltuximab is that it binds to this specific protein, thus reducing inflammation.